Ninjitsu/Kuji-in **(information needed)**

[Bad Moon]

I am basicly trying to find information on Kuji-in for those who dont know what it is its spiritual and mental strength the ninja possessed in the form of hand signs. These hand signs were believed to be able to channel energy. And therefore i want more information on them than that. Anything on ninjitsu, stealth, trickery anything i would appreciate. School is out for a week and i would really like to start training under ninjitsu. The closest ninkitsu dojo to me is liek 2 hrs away so im in a icky situation. Ninjitsu caught my attention after my old friend who moved started taking it i saw him a few days ago and he now has been taking it for over 2 years. And he got me hooked on finding everything i can on it and here at veritas i can always find conclusions ^_^.

Thanx

Saru

[Kyo]

Although its an awful title, 'ninja mind control' is a good book on this, as well as many other aspects of ninja skills.  A quick google search will yield you some sights that will have the hand seals on there, and their uses, you arent going to be popping them off in combat naruto style, however cool that may be, they are more used for things like controlling your bodily functions, or doing some other act of great focus. (like remaining unseen)

And there is also kuji kiri, which is a ninja's magic square talisman, essentially.

[Tsumaru]

I advise you to read a few good quality websites and actually research on a more general scale first.
http://www.winjutsu.com (Check out The Source)
http://www.ninjutsu.com (Check out The Source)
http://www.ninjutsu.co.uk (Check out pretty much this whole site)

[Rawiri]

Tsu, you didn't paste the NZ site, he HAS to have the NZ site.

http://shell.world-net.co.nz/~jimgould/index.html

[Tsumaru]

I disagree completely. If I give him that site, he goes straight to one section and says "RAR! I FOUND KUJI IN I BE L33T NINJAZ NOW RHAHRAHRHAHRAHAAA!!!
...
Mummy....I need help...I poopied myself. =( "

Which is stupid.

[DownRodeo]

Firstly a minor point, it's 'Ninjutsu' NOT 'Ninjitsu', I don't care were anyone has read it, thats how it is. (In fact the proper name for the art, is 'Budo-Taijutsu' or 'Ninpo' for the higher spiritual/better/l337 order)...I personally think people should leave them alone until you are 'ready' to learn them. As Hatsumi said, its pointless learning it when your Taijutsu is bad. My teacher for example, is about to take his actual Godan test with Grand Master Hatsumi (5th dan), this is considered the most important test for the Ninjutsu/Ninpo practitioner as it determines wether you are spiritually 'open'. It involves hatsumi projecting 'sakki' (not the famous Japanese drink!) at you along with a sword cut from behind and if you are 'open' then you will sense/your body will sense it and roll out of the way. These abillities, coming under the title of 'Seishin Teki Kyoko' (I would assume) and the Kuji-in/kiri under this too, open up not on demand, or on reading a websire, but by learning Taijutsu...If you aint got that, you aint got nothing Saying that, there is no harm in reading up on it.

[Tsumaru]

Seishin Teki Kyoyo if memory serves is just spiritual refinement. So in some ways it COULD be relevant, but on a bit more of a straight-forward level, the test is just for proper awareness, and being able to read the projected sakki (killer intent) and thus avoid the blade cut. Yeah. Bleh.

[Kyo]

Lol yeah, ninjutsu, only way it makes sense in japanese, i just hate the look of it i guess.  I suppose ill start writing it properly then, its only fair.

[Tsumaru]

Ninjutsu looks better then Ninjitsu. That just looks retarded.

[DownRodeo]

Roflwaffle!!!!!

[HADOUKEN]

Although its an awful title, 'ninja mind control' is a good book on this, as well as many other aspects of ninja skills.  A quick google search will yield you some sights that will have the hand seals on there, and their uses, you arent going to be popping them off in combat naruto style, however cool that may be, they are more used for things like controlling your bodily functions, or doing some other act of great focus. (like remaining unseen)

And there is also kuji kiri, which is a ninja's magic square talisman, essentially.

 No, no, no.  Ashida Kim is a load of crap and everything he writes is crap.  Its to the point in which one time at a book store I took all of AK's books out of the Martial Arts section and reshelved them next to the Real Ultimate Power book in the Humor section.

[Tsumaru]

Ashida Kim? Gah! KILL IT! KILL IT! KILL IT!

Okay, first of all, lets establish something.
Myself, DownRodeo and BlacK (Whatever happened to that guy) all learn Ninjutsu/Ninpo/Budo Taijutsu from a proper Sensei. Kendamu also learns through Steven K Hayes' training videos, books, and other similar resources from other authors such as Soke Hatsumi etc (So he does shitloads of research as well to compensate for his lack of a live Sensei to train with). Kyo trains in a suspicious martial art which is apparently one of a kind, and has had heaps of disciples go and kick Hatsumi's ass. Now, who are you gonna listen to? Seriously. Who? *rolls eyes*

[Silver_Archer]

Correction, Kyo learns a suspicious martial art which is apparently one of a kind, has apparently obviously been doing Iron Shirt training before all his bones fused in properly to have mastered it by his age now, has a level of arrogance which wouldnt be fitting of even to a genius like Yang LuChuan and apparently has had heaps of fellow disciples go kick hatsumi's ass ignoring the fact that in reality none of them will ever get the oppourtinuty to do so much as thumb wrestle Hatsumi being outsiders. All of this without anything to support the audacious claims they make of beating up Hatsumi.

Now, who are you gonna listen to? Seriously. Who? *rolls eyes*

[Kyo]

When did this turn into a flame me thread?  I still think ninja mind control is a good book, but I didn't even post an argument to the things you recommended, so why is this about who are you going to listen to?  Anyways, you guys are now just making shit up, and I really wish some of you lived in north america, where it would be slightly easier to come visit.  This is a martial arts forum, my sifu did warn me that to talk about our style would piss people off, but as veritas means truth, I say it anyways.

Im not interested in having you all agree with me without demonstration, but to deny what i say without evidence against it is just as bad as to take it blindly.

And I guess once again, no one properly read my post about the hatsumi thing.  The guy who went and kicked his ass had been teaching ninjutsu, then, after getting his ass kicked by our sifu, joined our school, studied a year, went to visit hatsumi.  I don't know if he went to visit him to show him the style in friendship, or pride, but he did, and won the contest with him.  And as I said in my last post about the matter, proof will be posted this summer, as well as pictures of neijia's trip to japan, where he is going to try the same thing, to test himself.

As far as calling my school suspicious, my offer stands, to anyone who wants to challenge me, as it has stood for months.  Talk to me, and we will figure out a place/time, we all travel at some point.  I never go so far as to insult your styles or your selves personally, so watch your mouths.

[neijia]

If you feel that our martial art is suspicious, feel free to look up our lineage. Our grandmaster, Kevin Huang, was taught by Sifu Fu Chan Yang, who believes himself to be the only surviving lineage holder of the original Sang Men style. This traces all the way back to master Fang Zhong Gong. A prime source can be found in the book called The Bubishi. The school website, while young, is in kyo and myself's signature, so feel free to visit it. Also, our master is always open for questions as his phone number is on the website in addition to the address of the school. Feel free to purchase an international phone card and call him for information. Also, on April 9th, kyo and I's first teacher (not master) is entering the Rage in the Cage fighting tournament in Arizona signifying that we are willing to show that our style works. While you may jab at us and say "I thought your style was about a way of life," then I would say that combat is most certainly part of life.

In regards to the claim about Iron Body being mastered, that is false. You will find it impossible to find a quote by either of us saying that we have mastered Iron Body. However we have, through diligent practice over a long period of time, aquired it to some degree. While we do not claim to stop bullets or blades, we are more resistant to impact as our muscles and skin are stronger, again after a long period of time.

In conclusion, please don't flame kyo, myself, or our school if you do not know sufficient information and haven't made the attempt to find out.