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January 01, 2009, 06:51:23 PM
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Give them a try. Some people say they work, others say they are a distraction. My only suggestion would be a word of caution against relying on a crutch to meditate. It'd be like a band that got really good while they were high, and then when their big show came up, they couldn't find any drugs so the show sucked. Sure, maybe the drugs inspired their creativity, but without it, they lost everything.

That's probably not the best metaphor, but I think you get the idea.
yes, but you could look at the crutch as a help for a man too weak to walk, so he uses the crutches to support him until he is able to stand on his own.

About hemisync, the gateway experience in particular, I used to practice these a couple of years ago and if you are doing them properly they are seen as training wheels which are to be dropped when you don't need them anymore. In fact when I tried the technique by itself without audio I was surprised to find it worked even better than usual! I guess it was because I had become used to it in some degree and I could also go at my own pace.

But back to topic, I would reccomend it for lucid dreaming and getting into the body asleep/mind awake stage but not focal meditation. Patience and consistency will help you get into deep meditation.

March 01, 2010, 10:26:21 PM
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Sorry for resurrecting this topic but it seems to be the best place for questions about focal meditation.
I'm just starting and I'm using an ace of spades as a focus because candles don't work for me for various reasons and I've come up with three questions that I was hoping to get some help sorting through:
1. what's the difference between just staring at some thing and not thinking about other things and focusing on something?
2. I get to a point where every thing but the card disappears into a black field with a strobing pattern, but it quickly goes back to what it was directly before(every thing around the card looks like it was rendered by a glitching graphics card) or normal, and blinking extra or breathing deeper make it disappear faster (through out this the card is at least as clear as normal, sometimes the wight parts become slightly luminescent). So this actually results in two questions: a) is this supposed to happen and b) if so why does it keep going away?
3. my eyes tend to get slightly dry and very teary which causes me to blink extra and harder which disrupts my focus, any tips on preventing this?

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March 14, 2010, 08:45:46 PM
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1. what's the difference between just staring at some thing and not thinking about other things and focusing on something?

Not thinking simply describes what's not happening.  Focusing is actually DOING something, because one's attention is actually asserted toward the thing.  This is in some sense an active process.

2. I get to a point where every thing but the card disappears into a black field with a strobing pattern, but it quickly goes back to what it was directly before(every thing around the card looks like it was rendered by a glitching graphics card) or normal, and blinking extra or breathing deeper make it disappear faster (through out this the card is at least as clear as normal, sometimes the wight parts become slightly luminescent). So this actually results in two questions: a) is this supposed to happen and b) if so why does it keep going away?

This is quite normal, so you shouldn't be concerned.  You also shouldn't worry about it coming or going too much, because the focal meditation is ultimately not about these transitory visual effects.  They just often happen as a side-effect of the normal process.

3. my eyes tend to get slightly dry and very teary which causes me to blink extra and harder which disrupts my focus, any tips on preventing this?

Yes, relax your eye muscles, and also allow your eyes to blink normally.  You do not focus with your eyes, you focus with your mind.
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August 02, 2010, 11:37:23 AM
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Hello,
         Wow this is really very good information. i really didn't have enough information about this Focal Meditation. but after knowing this i will also try this. thanks for this wonderful information.

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September 17, 2010, 09:10:00 PM
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Wow!  I had been looking so forward to this since about Wednesday.  I legitimately have not had 'all that' much time for it and most definitely have not been feeling well, considering I just recently came down with one of my seasonal sinus infections :^'(  It surely has only gotten worse since then, and so has my attitude.  But as I am a strong believer in consulting the tarot they have never led me wrong and encouraged me to keep fighting.

I didn't have a candle, but I after relieving some stress ^^ and a hot shower, there was no doubt in my mind that NOW was the time.  I sat, where I know will be the clearest area of my house and bedroom, kept on the dimmest light I have ( a not too dim lamp, or not dim enough rather ) and sat on the floor, NOT intending to necessarily do any focal meditation.  After having read a slight bit about kundalini and watching the youtube video I saw in the 'kundalini' post, I decided it would be best to just get comfortable ( in a position I was hardly comfortable in on a hardwood floor ) , clear my mind and gradually work myself into comfortability and different rhythms of breathing as it felt right.  Side Note:  I am NOT a major or regular practitioner of, well, anything really, though in the past five years I have done a considerable amount of dabbling in 'AP,' a bit of shamanism ( I know, lol, it's not really shamanism if it's just ' a bit' ), Tarot ( I only recently found great use for it ), a considerable bit of magick reading, color breathing, quite a good amount of meditating on and off ( it's become a great assistant in falling sleep, clearing my mind very quickly ), and, admittedly I have taken a couple of formal Tai Chi courses.  Some of my teachers and 'advisors' ( not of the Astral sort ) have expressed that I have an aptitude at particularly, controlling my energy ( for my noviceness that is ), and healing ( been doing deep massages since I was 6 ), and in my personal opinion my most cultivated skill, meditating ( focus of the mind, self-control ). 

As is typical ( except for position/posture ), my mind went blank.  Thoughts, passed easily, quickly, yet constructively ( as much as it can be in meditation, not like I was focusing on particular concepts ).  I breathed deeply, and my conciousness, very gradually, faded.  A lot of shifting was necessary, but I didn't break my meditation ( eyes still closed ) or let the uncomfortable thoughts get to me, I simply shifted to whatever made me feel more comfortable and continued breathing in a rhythm accordingly.  Images of the Kundalini CGI video passed through my mind as I shifted and thoughts of the snake seemed fitting for the concentrated pain in my spine and legs, so I continued to shift and breathe.  I have only had cursory glances at the hand postures for the yoga chakra meditations, but they proved to be helpful.

I know, this post is going to be long, but I'll say once now, and again at the end, that I go into so much detail because these are things that I would have liked to have known prior to the meditation as someone who has only dabbled/read here or there and would quickly lose confidence because of the uncomfortability.

I continue, my legs were shaking in this unfamiliar posture, so for a time, I had to lightly, but in a controlled manner, grip them, and continue shifting.  This proved not to be detrimental, or a distraction, and ended up being very helpful.  As I shifted it was apparent that I was lining up my chakras and, as the meditation deepened, the energy ( and slight pain ) continued to advance up my spine.  The meditation again deepened and this is where my little knowledge of hand postures came into play.  After enough shifting, my legs were shaking much less and I was considerably more comfortable... enough to settle my hands on my legs, near the knees, thumb and forefinger touching.  Little adjustments in every little thing are key.  You will not lose focus, and I encourage you to stick with it.  I allowed even the nicotine fits to pass through as I continued to breathe good wholesome aire.  As the meditation continues to deepen, the pain of my body begins to become less important.  I remember the power I can embrace within me, and the pain in my spine near my solar plexus becomes firm resolve.  Yes, I shift yet again, and many times more ( up to a certain point, which still I allowed a little shifting ).  With this focus on my solar plexus and a new sense of balance now maintained ( it did take time, take your time, it absolutely did not come easy.  I just took my time and continued to breathe. ) I realized that my hands seem to play a role in my balance, and the significance of these mysterious hand gestures became more clear.  I shifted, and moved my hands beneath my solar plexus, left palm up, fingers curling my my right hand; my right hand, a fist.  I moved on, eventually, to my heart, with my hands in front of it, so as to hold my energy moving up.  My right hand closest to my chest, only my thumbs of my left and right hands crossed ( like a butterfly ).  Felt like a bird carrying my energy above my heart and making it lighter.  Now, all pain left my legs ( and numbness left my awareness ) as my energy moved up to my collar bone and opened my throat.  Remembering truth, remembering -my- inner music, something I needed to focus on for me personally ( as well as being firm in my solar plexus ).  Another Note:  moving the hands, to the heart and every point forward was necessary to continue the flow of energy. Also IMPORTANT:  Once at this point, your hands are to significant to lose their posture, any shifting must be subtle slides of the legs, my right leg shifted forward slightly, involuntarily, from that point forward what pain and uncomfortability meant little, and I was forced to continue pushing, or else give up, which would've taken a while to do with any benefits, so it's best just to push, it does get better.  I could feel my crown calling me, begging for my triumph, but my will was near ready to falter, but I could not give up.  I shifted my hands in front of my throat and pointed up with both forefingers meeting.  This did the trick, maybe about ten minutes or so and spent in my third eye and my crown.  I know my crown is undeveloped, but was a grateful for what I got to experience.  My breathing, was full ( not to say that sometimes it wasn't a bit quicker, and shallower, it does shift according to your needs, even at the higher chakras ), my chakras as open I was willing to get them.  I closed by letting my hands go free, allowing my chakras to 'close' one by one, and some slight shifting.  Holding my legs again, whatever is comfortable.  Okay so I did some yoga, yay for me, that was fun.  I can do some focal meditation later I guess.  I opened my eyes, a little quicker then I expected, and then realized.. "NOPE, WRONG!"

My vision had a sort of pulse to it.  Things were blurred on the edges, but the phenomena was constantly shifting, and there was a bit of water in my eyes.  I kept breathing, this felt to good, just a little longer.  Then, on the wall, noticed a little flaw on it, right next to the floorboards, like a little wrinkle.  It came into focus, and blurred out, and my vision was just shifting like crazy, but my eyes stayed focused on the little, dented, deformed, flaw.  So many things it looked like, a geometric shape, a deep crack, it did not matter, this was my focal point.  I did a little ten minute focal meditation on a golden button on my bag I take to work on the bus the other day.  It was very relaxing, but when you are in a group of people that are very much a different culture than you, and there's maybe but you and another of your 'stereotype,' it can appear very harsh, cold, and offensive.  Now, let me tell you, the easy part starts there and then, staring at the wall.  You're eyes can close, blink, whatever, you can shift, just don't close your eyes for long and keep focusing on this little point in your reality, even if you can't see it or can hardly make it out.  Don't get distracted by the texture of the wall as it comes into focus, or even the well defined architecture of the floorboard as it begins to blur, and define, and take on a new meaning.  All you care about it buried deep within that little point.  I also saw colors, started to feel different parts of my brain, and then heard a low, but defined tone; and began to feel it, too.  I feel the progression through the deeper stages are explained very well by the author of this article, but, once you start to get to the higher frequencies things start to get tricky.  It almost feels as it has all gone away, but something keeps developing, and pushing you forward.  You have felt all of the way out to high, quick frequencies, with very focused changes in your vision and a learned self-control.  It really does seem like you can go on like this forever and continue to allow your perception to shift this way, keeping in mind you are gathering information about what exactly your 'soul' is.  But the next exciting part is coming back down.

You can learn the most about yourself, now that you've experienced this high frequency of energy, and gathered so much of it as you gather it in to your self before putting it down through the ground.  It is when you breathe in and think of your self, that you truly begin to feel yourself and different parts of yourself.. and once you put the energy back out around you, you can even begin to learn even more.  The entire experience as a whole was nothing short of convincing, evolving, and phenomenal.  Thank you, Lord, for guiding me to this way of doing things, and thank you also, kobok, Kettle, and vsociety as a whole for all of the encouragement to start basic and refine your skills gradually.  I look forward to becoming more away of my self and and gaining, permanently, some of the abilities I seemed to experience during this meditation.  I'm not exactly kineting at this point, and I possibly never will work with the Psi abilities like I intend to work with magick, but I hopefully say that I'm starting on the right foot for both.

Thanks again,  Yours Truly,

Justin.

August 12, 2011, 12:46:38 PM
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Hello,

I tried to start meditating lots of times, but with some deplorable results. It seems I just can't get focused, the more I try, the more my mind wanders, or I start thinking about a music (And just CAN'T get it out of my mind, it's annoying  :headwall:), so I gave up for a time. More recently, one friend pointed out that I may have ADHD-I, but while I search for professional help about this I wanted to keep trying. Any hints about what should I do?

Also, one day I tried using earplugs, since there are all kind of distracting noises here. After a time staring the candle, a loud tinnitus started to distract me from it. It got even louder when I focused on it, and resembled me of binaural beats or something like that. Is that normal?

Sorry for resurrecting the topic.

August 13, 2011, 09:13:42 PM
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At the end of the day, the solution is to simply suck it up and focus. That sounds harsh but you will find that eventually it will be easier to tune out distractions. Even during your meditation when you're completely irate from not being able to focus, as long as you're staring at the candle for 45 + minutes, you're doing your job. What I found during my first couple of practices is that even though my mind seemed to be jabbering away the whole time, by the end of my 50 minute block, I was far more focused than at the beginning of my practice. That's an accomplishment. My thoughts were very streamlined when I attempted to watch TV or read after. Eventually, I started to actually experience a significant amount of practical success. So, whenever you find yourself frustrated with the distractions, just power through and keep staring at the candle. Hopefully you'll experience even a small amount of success after doing so and you'll stop being frustrated.
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August 15, 2011, 04:13:25 PM
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Thanks for the help :).

September 14, 2011, 03:13:36 PM
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Can I do the candle meditation with a tealight? And is there an alternative to candles and fire?

September 14, 2011, 04:01:00 PM
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well duh, focal meditation itself is just focusing all of your attention on an object. it's inherently easy to do that with fire, but you could use a pencil or a coin instead.
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September 14, 2011, 04:17:52 PM
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A button sized black dot centered on a white sheet of paper, a spot on the wall, a door knob, a flower, etc. Really the whole point of focal meditation is to fix one's attention onto something. To learn how to focus the mind and will.

September 15, 2011, 08:56:15 AM
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Can I do the candle meditation with a tealight? And is there an alternative to candles and fire?
As BubbaFett and Mindlessinvalid already pointed out, yes, you can use another object of focus. Notice that kobok already says so in the original article: "If you are unable to do this [= practice with a candle], substitute the flame in the following description for the focal object of your choice." Read, people. :wink: Nevertheless, I would advise using a candle flame if at all possible. The very simple reason for this is that trying to focus for prolonged periods of time on a static object tends to be more difficult. I, at least, daydreamed a lot as a beginner while trying to focus on dots on walls, doorhandles and all sorts of odd objects I used to focus on.

September 22, 2011, 05:32:09 AM
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What PSI means ?

September 22, 2011, 02:26:33 PM
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What PSI means ?

As far as I can remember, psi is short for parapsychology.

September 22, 2011, 06:49:42 PM
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What PSI means ?

Psi is the greek letter that is used to designate a variable that cannot be empirically ascertained. thus its used in parapsychology research alot.

Not to be confused with psy (which is a corruption of the word psyche, meaning soul)
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