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October 11, 2004, 01:23:53 AM
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The True Nature of Psi

Introduction

This article is intended to clear up the common misconceptions which exist about the nature and mechanisms of psi.  This article first disputes common ideas about psi which are contradicted by the scientific evidence, and then attempts to present a more reasonable description of how psi operates.  The proposed description corresponds to the experiences of performing psi, and does not contradict the scientific evidence about the properties of psi.


Psi and Electromagnetism

The strongest pieces of evidence that psi is not electromagnetic are the following items from controlled studies (all of which can be found in the scientific literature at a good library, or you can check the references at the end *):

1.  Psi cannot be shielded by a faraday cage, lead wall, concrete wall, or by large amounts of dirt.  Electromagnetic radiation, by comparison, is shielded by each of these.
2.  Psi does not change in effectiveness or targetting with distance.  Electromagnetic radiation, by comparison, weakens in strength by one over the distance squared, or in the case of directed radiation suffers an identical weakening of aiming.
3.  Psi does not change in effectiveness when the subject and target are placed forward or backward in time with respect to each other.  Electromagnetic radiation, by comparison, only ever moves forward in time from source to destination.

The two most common misconceptions seem to be, firstly, that ultra low frequency electromagnetic radiation fits the scientific evidence.  It of course does not.  It does remedy most of the problems with item 1 above, but does not at all address items 2 and 3.  The second common misconception is that somehow "biochemical", "bioelectric", or "biomagnetic" energy can remedy these problems.  This is not the case, because each of these three things are nothing more than electromagnetic interaction in living objects, and thus are subject to the same conditions as above.

All of currently known physics consists of four known forces, the strong, weak, electromagnetic, and gravitational forces.  Not one of these four forces even closely fits the known scientific evidence of how psi functions.  As a consequence, it must be concluded that psi functions by means of a medium which is not due to one of these four forces.  At present, no accepted theory exists in physics which can accomodate these properties.  In order for physics to explain the mechanism of psi, it will need to expand beyond its current level of knowledge.


Psi and the Brain

In addition, I would like to address the often proposed theory that psi is a function of the physical brain.  First, the most obvious counterargument for this is that the physical brain is a biochemical organism which processes information by electrochemical impulses.  Thus the entirety of the brain's function is electromagnetic, and falls directly under the conditions described above which prohibit psi from being due to electromagnetism.

The second counterargument for psi as a function of the physical brain is that information in psi seems to be received and transmitted at a conceptual level, rather than exclusively at a linguistic or visual level.  In order to explain this as a function of the physical brain, there would have to be something fundamental about the wiring of each concept in each person, yet we know from neuroscience that there are enormous variations in how concepts are stored in each brain. Each concept is stored as a collection of neurons throughout the brain being activated simultaneously, and which collection of neurons are activated is different for each person.  As a consequence, the brain does not have a conceptual standard for relaying this information.  Therefore, psi information must be relayed by something which can convey conceptual information directly, and this is not the brain.


So What is Psi?

The essence of the human mind can be divided into two categories, the physical brain (an electrochemical organism) and a non-physical component which is not restricted to spatiotemporal interaction.  The standard English term for the non-physical component of the self is the "soul", and by the above argument it must be this non-physical component which is responsible for psi.

I define the soul as "the part of ourselves which performs psi, which separates from the body during out of body experiences, and which continues existing after the death of the physical body."

From the conditions imposed by out of body experiences, we know that the soul must be separable from the body.  In addition, from the experiments involving use of psi across distances and across time, we know that the soul must be able to extend and relocate itself throughout space and time without regard for the amount of intervening distance or time, and without regard for any physical barriers placed in between two positions.

From the understanding of how telepathy functions, it can be deduced that the soul is capable of processing conceptual information, yet in a significantly different way than the brain processes information.  A thorough understanding of this can only be achieved by experiencing it, but a rudimentary description can be made.  The brain processes information by considering options, weighing lessons learned from past experiences, and then eventually a response becomes active.  By comparison the soul becomes shaped by the experiences of living, and decisions in the soul just "are".

The soul can be considered to be more "us" than the brain, as the soul is the more lasting and central component of our identity.  This is similar to the argument which says that the brain is more "us" than the arm.

The abilities of psi:  sensing the world, changing the world, and communicating with others, are all exclusively performed by the soul.  However, the physical brain has a key role in this, as it holds the conscious and subconscious thoughts which shape, direct, and interpret the performance of psi.

When psi is performed in a controlled manner, the psion forms an intent or plan in the conscious mind, and then forms this intent in the soul, perhaps with the assistance of the subconscious mind.  In the case of the sensing abilities, the soul receives conceptual input which is then passed into the physical brain for interpretation by the brain.  Psi abilities can also occur in a less controlled fashion, as the soul, being more central to who we are, can perform psi without the instruction or guidance of the brain.

In either case, however, the actual performance of psi is done by the soul, and the brain is left to guide and interpret the soul, just as the soul in turn guides and learns from the brain.


* Example references covering the three points
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October 11, 2004, 01:29:42 AM
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Rated 3 for leaving out facts, and taking one side over another, you seem to have your idea of psi set in stone, and will not accept anything else.  

in point 1) none of those things block out the entire EMR spectrum.    

in point 2) there is plenty of explanation for that, including everything is connected to everything else, quantum mechanics/physics.

in point 3) past, present, and future, all occur in the same instance.

Oh yes, psi could be EMR, if so, like light, it could have a dualistic nature, like how sometimes light behaves like a wave, and sometimes like a particle.

October 11, 2004, 02:02:03 AM
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Athiril:  Your rebuttal #1 is addressed immediately below that section of the article.  Your rebuttals #2 and #3 do not correspond to actual physics.  Entanglement of particles with each other ends upon contact with the surrounding environment, and entanglement cannot pass information superluminally (see EPR experiment), nor does it remedy the aiming or strength issue of #2.  As for #3, past, present, and future are by definition different instances, and this is very definite in the behavior of electromagnetism and the other known forces of nature.  Only to the soul do the differences between these become irrelevant.
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October 11, 2004, 08:27:19 AM
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I enjoyed it.  I personally would have chosen to describe the soul in broader terms, being the immaterial portion of the self, but you're a scientist not a philosopher so I suppose I can understand this.

October 11, 2004, 08:28:59 AM
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It seems that there might be some confusion on Kobok's point #1, so let's see if I can rephrase it to more clearly convey the understanding.

Various "things" will block out various ranges of the electromagnetic spectrum - ie all the stuff kobok listed in the article - but there is not one thing which blocks out the entire electromagnetic spectrum (Athiril's point). However, due to the fact that psi is not blocked in the least by any of those things, it can be easily inferred, especially given points 2 and 3 by kobok, that psi is not electromagnetic in nature and is not propogated via electromagnetic waves. Or at least, not any part of the electromagnetic spectrum as we currently know it to be.

Is that clearer?
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October 11, 2004, 09:01:47 AM
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I thought this article was extremely biased, neglected to explain rivaling viewpoints with any degree of coherency.  Your negligence to provide documented studies really hinders the overall effectiveness of your arguments; the reader doesnít know if itís true or false.  You need to add a bit more sustenance.

October 12, 2004, 07:00:17 AM
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Four stars because of the clear and interesting writing style, with the final star missing not really because of your arguments but because it's not *my* truth entirely. Worthy addition though, good stuff.

October 12, 2004, 05:47:22 PM
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I found the arbitrary description of the soul (or even the mention of the soul) very out of place in an article written with a scientific approach.  You also neglect to look at what other body parts could contribute to the control of psi.  The body is not made of isolated units, but you seem to be caught in the need to find one specific body part that controls psi, so much so that you've fallen back on a body part that is not known to exist.  This wasn't so much an article about the true nature of psi, but just an article about what psi isn't: EMR.  Not much substance overall in my own opinion.
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October 12, 2004, 07:34:47 PM
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Lightbringer:  The body is composed entirely of electromagnetic interaction.  All chemical interactions are electromagnetic interaction.  There is nothing else in the physical body besides this, thus we must look elsewhere.  The point I am making here is that it's not more scientific to claim that psi is due to a known element of physics, because that contradicts the evidence.  Thus the only scientifically valid claim is to consider psi due to another medium beyond known physics.
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October 12, 2004, 10:17:56 PM
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Yes, but your claims about the "true nature of psi" are guesswork.  Pure and simple.
The thing that really fascinates me about people is their ability to have no idea what's going on even though it's going on in plain sight all around them and the even more amazing tendency to argue violently when one of these obvious things is presented to them.

October 13, 2004, 01:47:04 PM
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Not guesswork at all, it seems to me.  Its very vague in some respects, yah... however, what it does say is well thought out and backed up.  Really, we don't know all that much about psi in either case, when it comes down to it, so empty vagueness is to some degree called for, I guess.

And the misconception of psi being EMR-based has arguably existed longer than the concept of psi itself, so its great to see a rebuttal of that alone :cool:.
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October 16, 2004, 06:48:55 PM
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When giving an explination of somthing like that to help out people who don't yet understand it you need to show less favoritism, you need to look at both sides and  give you explination of it objectively and not try and force people into taking your side and believing that it is the only way.

All in all it was a good article, you showed that you knew what you were talking about the favoritism was the only thing that brought it down.

October 18, 2004, 04:29:22 AM
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It isn't "favoritism" as no people were involved. He proved a point that a lot of people don't neccessarily agree with because they are deluded, and he did it logically through the medium of science and reason. He didn't force anything on anyone, he only proved a good point. Excellent article kobok.
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October 19, 2004, 01:00:13 PM
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He proposed an idea and provided supporting facts by which one could deductively conclude his view on the matter.

October 22, 2004, 12:21:12 PM
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This article is quite biased but has some good facts. I give it  2 stars.