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May 31, 2013, 12:12:12 PM
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Qigong, Psionics and Magick all use the same basic principles. It doesn't matter what you label it. It is quite easy to manipulate energy outside of the body but the applications are different. Within Daoist Alchemy we have a paradigm for the building of an energy body, strengthening Qi in the meridians, balancing Yin and Yang, and returning Jing, Qi and Shen to nothingness. With Psionics we have methods of making constructs, future selection, and other ways of influencing energy in the environment. Just because I do Qigong doesn't mean I don't do other things as well. Manipulating the energy outside the body is easy for me, and I have done tests to verify my results.


Sorry, I have to correct you there. The Metaphysics which predicates each of what you said are grossly different. For example, take sympathetic magic. Sympathetic magic revolves around the idea of associations based upon what something is like. Properties are derived from things associated with something relative to say sympathy. For example, take hematite. Hematite is red, like blood, so it is said to have properties that treat blood due to this. Then you have magic which is tied to the idea of contagion, or if objects were once in contact with one another, their properties interact due to that. Or, you have magic which revolves around the idea that a part of the whole is tied to the whole. For example, if someone takes a clipping of your hair, the idea is that the clipping will still be in contact with you where some spells can utilize this. My point with this is that sympathetic magic and magic that revolves around principles of contagion say nothing of subtle energy, in themselves. Sympathetic ideas came prior to humans coming to grasp the concepts of energy(there is evidence for prehistoric practices of this); therefore, one cannot argue that the principles of sympathetic magic use the same principles of say Qiqong if sympathetic magic came before it where prima facie sympathetic magic doesn't resemble say Qiqong(the idea in sympathetic and associative magical practices is that if objects have elements(properties) in common, that facilitation of control or influence over one object will create an influence on the other purely through the relationship they have in common per their properties which need not say anything about subtle energy of any sort). I come from a family tradition of folk magic.


I think, perhaps, that you misunderstand what he means. If you use programming languages as a metaphor, then each of the metaphysical arts (psionics, magic, body energy and so on) might have their own vocabulary, syntax, and interpreter, but at somepoint all of your code is getting run through the OS, and churned through layers of other languages until it's nothing more than ones and zeros.

Although each art is certainly unique, and some are easier for certain persons to understand (psionics suits me better than magic, and python suits me better than C#), in the end they're all operating on the same (meta)physics system, and are working at the fundamental-stuff-level in a very similar way.
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May 31, 2013, 12:16:09 PM
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That's pretty much what I was getting at Theopholis.

Of course Qigong, Psi and Magick are different in theory.

It's the underlying faculties of willpower, intent and understanding of the Soul that are developed by all of them that makes moving between them easy.
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May 31, 2013, 12:45:08 PM
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You could look at it that way, sure, and many people do.

Or, you could look at them as both being correct. Obviously, with less emphasis on the Qigong model as the root cause, but still a contributing cause, because of the Body, Mind and Spirit being out of alignment.

Look, I'm not a Traditional Chinese Medicine doctor so I can't really argue with you about the validity of TCM vs a biological, modern medicine cause. That is beyond the scope of this thread.

I do however know that things like acupuncture, acupressure, shiatsu massage, and other TCM ideas have been proven to have some basis and work over thousands of years.

If this is not an effect of subtle energy, it is an effect of stimulating the nervous system and the associated organs (which is essentially what TCM claims to do; stimulate the organs).

I know you don't believe that Qi is bioelectricity, however if you go and read the Week 1 theory from my study group there is a nice section on Qi as being bioelectricity in the human body. This is what my research and experiences have led me to believe.

No, it's not electromagnetic. Yes, energy exists outside of the body in different forms and is not limited. Even within the body, it is at the very least linked to bioelectricity, though it is not limited at all since it is a subtle energy controlled by the soul.

Further, I essentially doubt that you can truly understand this or appreciate, and I don't feel you are qualified to state the things you are stating, because you 1) Are not a Qigong practitioner and 2) Have stated numerous times that you don't work with energy, can't feel energy, and don't need energy. So, any evaluation of my paradigm or that of TCM completely lacks any kind of experience, subjective or objective, and is merely theorycrafting and speculation.

I don't really want to continue this, or debate what Qi is and isn't, because I have my beliefs and you have yours and I don't think we would really get anywhere.

I do appreciate your viewpoint and input but I'm going to have to disagree, because I have experience with and I understand the theory of Chinese Qigong and to a lesser degree TCM. I also understand how they fit in with science and modern medicine (which is why I'm pretty adamantly convinced that Qi MUST be linked to the nervous system in the body, and the organs, otherwise TCM wouldn't work).
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May 31, 2013, 01:05:57 PM
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In regards to their principles, we cannot argue they are the same, and in regards to things governing the nature of how all these things operate, the truth hood of the principles of Qiqong being shared cannot be verified as being intrinsic. For example, say I have a thermostat and my goal is to increase the temperature. What is causing that to rise is not Qi or any other variation of a subtle energy you can think of - it is heat where the heat is derived from manipulation of a particular configuration of states per my intention.

Perhaps I'm misunderstanding you now, but I don't see what your saying as being different than what Koujiryuu or I had said. Like you say, whether the heat comes from psionic interaction, qigong, magic, or because your house is on fire, the end result is the same. Regardless of which method you use, at some point the heat is caused by a increase in the speed the physical particles are moving at, which is caused by an increase in kinetic energy.

You would cause the increase differently depending on which paradigm you follow, but at a fundamental level, your just adding heat. Heat is heat, wheather you pronounce it "varmego" or "θερμότητα".

It sounds to me like you just don't believe that Qi is a real form of energy, or that it can have physical results. Which seems odd, as qigong is quite physical by nature!
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May 31, 2013, 01:14:09 PM
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I won't argue with you having more experience than me in Qiqong; however, I have way more experience than you do in magic, so I felt I should correct you. Per my example, sympathetic magic is based on the idea of objects interacting per the properties they share in common which, prima facie, says nothing of subtle energy let alone Qiqong; therefore, your statement was false in that the proposed principles of one form of magic are not the same, or even similar, to the proposed principles of Qiqong. I am not saying that sympathetic magic is true in its claim; rather, I am pointing out how it is different in concept. This doesn't require you to acknowledge that sympathetic magic works in the way it says it does, or at all even; however, it requires you to acknowledge that the concept is different thereby making it so that you can't make the claim that you did.

I never said the proposed principles were the same, because the principles are defined differently; Qigong provides a different model of energy and the world than Psi does, or Magick does. However, keep in mind when you do stuff with your Runic system, or when you have an Out-of-Body Experience, or when you sense something, or whatever else you do you are doing it through one thing and one thing alone, and that is willpower or intention. You basically call it using different experiential states to accomplish something. This is what I'm getting at. The underlying motivating factor that enables these things is the Soul (I know, I know, you hate this idea) and the willpower or expectation of it. This translates well between all systems.

Also, I had a thought. You gave an example of why TCM theory is potentially false and not linked to subtle energy because of underlying biological states and causes- which is essentially saying the model of Qi as a subtle energy is invalid, though it probably doesn't say anything about bioelectricity or the nervous system being an invalid reason.

Similarly, I don't have out of body experiences. I've never had one. I've tried. I could sit here and postulate that your OBEs you claim to experience are merely the product of psychosis or mental illness, with the root cause being a chemical imbalance in your brain that leads to vivid hallucinations. Many, many people on Veritas would probably agree with this assessment, and I almost know for a fact based upon years of therapy that modern psychiatry would agree with this evaluation. However, this evaluation has one serious flaw in it: when you have an OBE, you can obtain valid information you can verify later as being accurate. Thus, it is less a hallucination, and more an objective way of obtaining information about the world. Mind you, I'm taking this at face value, and I honestly believe in the things you've told me about your experiences. Can I prove them? No. But until you demonstrate otherwise I will continue to believe, because I have faith in people and take them at face value.

In the same vein, the theory of Qigong and TCM postulates that energy (Qi) flows through pathways in the body called meridians. These meridians are linked to the organs via pressure points on the human body. TCM goes into great detail about how, where and why this Qi flows and at what times of the day and what lunar phase it is active in certain parts of the body. Now, in the same manner we can throw this all out and look at it as being solely a biological function of the body, except for the fact that manipulating these pressure points works to cure illness, prevent illness and so forth. This has been demonstrated. Sure, it may be affecting the nervous system more than anything, but then if we view Qi in the body as being bioelectricity, we have a good explanation for why things like acupuncture work, with the fewest possible assumptions or alternative explanations. So, there is a similarity between your OBE experiences and the Qigong model, in that one could postulate that they are both false or products of biological, medical causes, except for the fact that they have been objectively demonstrated to actually work in practice for their specific purposes.

I hope this makes sense.

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May 31, 2013, 01:34:05 PM
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1 = one, 'e-kahi, an, un, een, εἴς, אַחַת, واحِد, חַד

No, 1 =/= 2. We all know that. But it can be expressed many, many ways. A concept can have many expressions.


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Getting so off topic...
Oh that Radki, what sillyness.

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Aw, you edited out the part of your post I was talking about! Now I just look silly. C'mon Rayn.
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May 31, 2013, 01:43:13 PM
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Yes. Acupuncture can work for purely biological reasons; however, it would have nothing to do with anything metaphysical. I can kill the infection off of a plant, at distance, with my intention which has no nervous system where there is no physical way possible anything is physically coming off of me and interacting with it. You cannot do this with whatever is the reason why acupuncture works. I only decided to step into this thread because of your inaccurate statement concerning magic.  

I'll keep this short since the thread is off topic already.

The problem with this, though, is that the same model used for TCM which does work is also used partly for Qigong (Meridians, Dantian), which also works as a metaphysical practice and a model of the energy in the human body.

If TCM didn't work but Qigong worked, then TCM theory would be false and Qigong theory would be true.

If Qigong didn't work but TCM worked then Qigong theory would be false and TCM theory would be true.

However, the fact is (believe it or not) TCM theory and Qigong both work, and have both been shown to work through rigorous scientific tests. Therefore the theory of each is true. Further, since acupuncture and TCM works on the human nervous system, and Qigong shares the same metaphysical theory with it, then it would be appropriate and would logically follow that Qigong must affect the nervous system to some extent too (This is only proven further by Qigong practices which electrically charge the fluid in the spinal cord (Xi Shui Jing, Kundalini) as well as practices which make the body harder and more resistant to pain (Iron Shirt).

TCM is different from Qigong, yes (they use a different set of meridians) but the underlying theory concerning Qi is mostly the same. What does this say?

This makes sense, because the basis of both TCM and Qigong came supposedly from the same legendary figure, Huang Di, the Yellow Emperor. His "Huang Di Neijing" (Yellow Emperor's Internal Classic) not only laid the base for TCM and acupuncture but also Qigong and even herbalism.
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May 31, 2013, 02:04:07 PM
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I partially agree with this, and I choose modern science first too, but I've seen enough evidence through Qigong and TCM to understand and appreciate what Qi stagnation, blockages, Qigong Disease and so forth really are.

Again, it doesn't always have to be fully one or the other. It doesn't have to be black and white. In some cases (most cases) it could totally be purely biological, I understand that. However, in others, it could be both. Any TCM doctor or acupuncturist would probably tell you this. Oftentimes, the underlying biological cause also manifests metaphysically and this causes Qi blockages. Sometimes, even after the problem is cured through modern medicine, these Qi blockages continue and cause the problem to come back (this explains things like arthritis and joint pain, which TCM has been proven VERY effective in treating).

So, again, I agree: it is always best to look for a rational, modern explanation based in science first. But if we disregard things like TCM completely we are missing a part of the whole.
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May 31, 2013, 08:10:23 PM
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Yeah I'm not going to continue this with you.

Magick is actually something I have practiced and researched since about 2004. I've read a ton of stuff on Magick, and practiced things like the Middle Pillar Rite and LBRP.

Even today, I was doing simple sigil Magick. I am also a TDS Probationer Alumni.

I may not be as qualified as other people here who devote themselves solely to Magick, and I may know Qigong and Yoga best, but that doesn't mean I don't know anything about Magick.

You simply don't know what you're talking about and you are in no position to make assumptions about what I do and don't do.

I give up.

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June 01, 2013, 12:13:54 PM
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Again, you're lecturing someone who knows this already, and you're also completing ignoring the point that I was making (that power in metaphysics comes from the will, which in Magick is expressed through symbolism).

What you described above perfectly illustrates the point I was trying to make.

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This is where people screw up. They think it is due to constructing something in a proper way, doing a ritual in a proper way, saying a particular chant in a proper way, so on and so forth. Magic is linked to the meaning, the experience, and the why which, in turn, is linked to recorded instructions that constitutes what to do. From my observations, you tend to focus on movements and ritualized things. A spell addresses, implicitly, why you are doing it, what desires you might have, what it is that you don't have that you want, your implicit feelings about it, and all of this factors into the overall meaning it has where this flows from inside out through magical actions. The fact that you are so myopic when it comes to proper forms and traditions makes it so that you miss the point, entirely, which would mean that magical operations carried out in such a manner would lack power which is similar to how someone who practices radikal ki misses the point entirely where their actions are equally inert and useless. This is an important distinction between the two. In one, the power from magic comes from a psychic level of meaning, which can be expressed in the form of symbols which represent relationships hence the purpose of seals, which makes it so that a person can perform a magical operation outside of forms standard to it whereas in the other, yours, things like posture, proper breathing, etc. are important. The fact that you are trying to stress the later principles as just as important as the former(there being a wrong way and a right way to practice magic in forms of traditions where wrong ways lead to delusions - see below quote) shows that you miss the point entirely - the power of the magical operation is linked to the individual experience, meaning, and motivations of the person more so than the physical actions that constitute such an action like the rituals or the chanting or the circles or the seals or the sigils or the Pentagrams versus your practices which are a lot more physical, thus, focusing on instructions of ways one can perform a magical operation properly without grasping what I said above would make it so that you miss the boat entirely.

Says pretty much exactly that. "the power of the magical operation is linked to the individual experience, meaning, and motivations of the person more so than the physical actions that constitute such an action like the rituals or the chanting or the circles or the seals or the sigils". This power is the underlying metaphysical will or intention to do something.

Again, stop making assumptions about what I do or don't do- "From my observations, you tend to focus on movements and ritualized things." I don't practice ritual Magick outside of Sigil magick and even then it's done devoid of ritual.

You don't know what you're talking about and this has just led you to essentially argue my point for me.

This thread has been so massively derailed by you. Any more replies like this that are not only off topic but also essentially inflammatory will be ignored, and at worst, deleted.

EDIT: Let's get back to the original topic. Any further posts that are off topic will be considered rule breaking and will lead to punishment.
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June 01, 2013, 11:36:35 PM
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First off, for Qigong, etc. following the same principles, I can understand that.  The methods that I learned never worked well for moving ki into the air, and until I invented a method for myself that worked, the only thing that would ever work would be something akin to a 57 layered psi construct to hold Ki in a ball, strong enough for 7 different people to be able to feel by putting their hands through, with a maximum range I could move it, of about 15 feet distance away from me before it would dissipate.

For the weird crap that happened to my student/friend?  I'll try to get pictures, but it's been 7 years, and he moved out of his house twice since then.  I just wanted your opinion on what on earth happened to the guy, because Radki, Traditional Chi, and psionics doesn't seem to explain it at all, nor has anyone else I've asked.

As for my hamster killing student, he was a natural psi vamp.  Still, you could be right.  But he was "gifted" enough that he could make his sister go from normal to exhausted and sleepy in 2 minutes, in the car, with me and him talking the entire time, after she pissed him off pretty bad.

Finally, as for the "Right" and "Wrong" way to practice with your Qi, as you call it... sure, I can believe that for everyone there's a different route in practicing it properly.  My methods aren't yours, after all, and will never be yours.  But what works for one person won't work for another, as we all saw at the beginning of The New Mystics, and MysteryShadow's homepage.  But don't expect me to jump on your Qigong bandwagon when what works for me has worked superior to the other methods I read up on for over 10 years.

I've gone from "Visualization, and long periods of meditation" to "closing my eyes, and thinking about it, to feel it moving through my body as it naturally moves", through years of hard work and training with it, learning how to work with it and let it work with me and be more in tune with me better.  I'm not trying for tactile feedback, the tactile feedback is a side effect of clearing my mind and simply thinking about it, and how it's moving through my body, and my body becoming completely in tune with it as a result, as it flows through my meridians, and my chakras.

As for Qigong disease, I'll keep your point in mind.  But you shouldn't assume that all people that practice Radki has it, either.  One of my former acquaintances sounds like they had a case of it, but she barely practiced as it was, focusing mainly only on the astral plane instead of bettering herself here on the physical.  She eventually insisted she were going to be some sort of Goddess-Messiah or some crap like that, and it took her boyfriend dumping her to snap her slowly back into reality.

Seriously? The best of Radki, which wasn't that good, came from Dynamic Tension exercises and a Ki Ball exercise within The Ki Process and the short blurb on the Kihap ("Kiai" in Japanese) from State of the Art Taekwondo with a bunch of Dragon Ball Z fanboyism wrapped around it. In fact, the use of the word "Radical" in The Ki Process is where the word "Radical" came from in the creation of the term "Radki." The way "radical" and "ki" were smashed together into one word was based off the word "Reiki" and shows how little I knew about Japanese I knew at the time. It was to create some legitimacy, but that obviously didn't really work.

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If you strip the anime stuff from it, you've got some neat stuff like the Sanchin Kata from Karate and legitimate use of Kiai to generate power in martial arts. Add some Chinese candle training exercises to it and you've got some stuff to supplement good martial technique and a proper fitness program that blows Radki away.

Just to be fair, though, what martial benefits have come from your Radki training that couldn't be much more easily gotten from the sources I mentioned?
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June 02, 2013, 02:01:31 AM
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Seriously? The best of Radki, which wasn't that good, came from Dynamic Tension exercises and a Ki Ball exercise within The Ki Process and the short blurb on the Kihap ("Kiai" in Japanese) from State of the Art Taekwondo with a bunch of Dragon Ball Z fanboyism wrapped around it. In fact, the use of the word "Radical" in The Ki Process is where the word "Radical" came from in the creation of the term "Radki." The way "radical" and "ki" were smashed together into one word was based off the word "Reiki" and shows how little I knew about Japanese I knew at the time. It was to create some legitimacy, but that obviously didn't really work.

今、私は日本語話します。でも

If you strip the anime stuff from it, you've got some neat stuff like the Sanchin Kata from Karate and legitimate use of Kiai to generate power in martial arts. Add some Chinese candle training exercises to it and you've got some stuff to supplement good martial technique and a proper fitness program that blows Radki away.

Just to be fair, though, what martial benefits have come from your Radki training that couldn't be much more easily gotten from the sources I mentioned?

What I did, was I ignored the anime stuff completely when I studied it, and treated any anime stuff I read, as merely theory that was possible, rather than fact.  ...Not that anyone here asked me that.  When I did try to replicate techniques, as theory, I looked, instead of at the methods from the anime or what have you, but at the physics, and tried to make something that would react in a similar way.  The one crowning technique I developed back when I first started out, was pretty much a Ki ball, held together by 47 layers of construct, that absorbed the Ki I pushed into it for momentum, which a few students I taught in real life rather than online, managed to feel the energy if they'd practiced Ki ball techniques not long before hand so their hands were still sensitive to it.  Most I ever got was about 17, 18 feet before it dissipated using that technique, but nothing more than "Dude, what did I walk through just now?  Was that Ki?" from said students.

A lot of "Radki" techniques I developed, I initially gave out thinking they were "power boosts" not realizing they were simply making my awareness jump up, and circulating power faster through my body, at that time, as well.  They've got much different functions than I originally percieved them as having, and when you focus on using them to try and gain power fast, alone, they usually have detrimental effects.  Such as anger issues, and the like.

As for martial benefits?  How about figuring out how to astral project inwards, to explore your own meridians and to fix blockages from the inside rather than needing acupuncture to help you?  Or to explore your mind's sense of self, the mindscape, and learn more about what your Ki is naturally in tune with, for latent talents?

Or the fact that my father still usually can outdo me in wrestling, but when I channeled Ki full bore through my body, my reaction time shot up to be able to hold him in a headlock no matter what he did?  3 attempts to get out of it resulted in him going back into the headlock instantly, while I switched arms each time.

Also, I've owned that book for years.  Good book, bit short, but I looked to it partially for advice in keeping my meridians clear, and what the heck I was seeing when I first tried to project into them to see if it was even possible.

On a different note... interesting how the candle technique works.  I always got slight bits of wind, but thought I was doing something wrong, because Mysteryshadow's article said it was for making hot or cold Ki, for the beginnings of pyrokinesis or cryokinesis.
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June 02, 2013, 02:37:33 AM
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You're making the candle training more complicated than it really is. Don't worry about all the "-kinesis" stuff. In fact, that's what I'm saying about all of it: stop over-complicating it.

People who eat well, get plenty of regular sleep, and get regular healthy exercise have healthy Qi already. No need for the, "Astral projecting inward to fix blockages" and all that. Just treat your body and mind the right way to begin with and you won't have to do all that crazy stuff in the first place.

Really, just simplify it down even further. The sources I gave you just a bit ago? Use them. They're really all you need for what Radki was supposed to do in the first place and they're a lot simpler in execution. It's the difference between, "Do five crazy extra things trying to keep your mind clear and doing this breath," and, "Use this breath, the rest happens automatically." Feeling as strong as a Shonen manga protagonist is one of those things that comes automatically, too, when you just strip it down to the essentials and do it right the first time.

I felt a lot more like something out of Dragonball Z using good Kiai during full-contact sparring than I ever did standing in my back yard trying to do a Kamehameha at the air.

It's simply a matter of practicality. Go back and read Dragonball from after Piccolo Daimaou gets killed all the way through just before the Cell Game. Becoming more efficient and mastering the fundamentals are when the biggest breakthroughs happen and the most decisive wins take place.
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June 02, 2013, 03:54:19 PM
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I never did Radki and only found out about it on the forum. Honestly, I have formulated certain energy work around the anime idea, but one must look at what preceded anime- qigong, tantric yoga, martial arts, myths and legends, religious stories, etc. All this anime stuff is based upon ancient practices, albeit with creative intellect and intuition (which is what practical methods of energy work, martial arts, fitness or magic should incorporate to be most effective for the individual).

I am a big fan of Dragon Ball Z and have found correlations between the show and energetic practices. I think if we look at the ancient teachings, the possibilities of them in the modern world and how to enhance them with traditional and personal methods (this is what psi represents to me) then seeing their potential from a fictitious point of view (or what Alan Moore calls the Immateria- or plane of imagination where all things are possible and can be real, but it depends on the will of the mage or psion) we can devise our own plan of action, or our own theories and techniques for pragmatic results.

For instance, tying in the seven Dragon Balls as the Seven Chakras, Shen-Ron (the wish fulfilling dragon) as the Kundalini. Super Saiyan transformation as the Golden Body (Rainbow Body, Diamond Body, etc), flying as light air kung fu (yes, it is real. There is actually a good post with a video link on Veritas somewhere). There are many, many anime/comic book powers that are real, but not to the extent that we may want them to be. I have never seen or experienced any telekinetic ability that I can prove being so, but I have had extra sensory perceptions via mind linking, reading, future seeing, spirit encounters and magical projection and achievement. I use these indicators as ways to understand that the human brain and body (along with the mind, or higher/subconscious functioning of our innate selves) have capabilities beyond our understanding.

Sometimes fiction gives us that extra boost to want to develop and heighten our perceptions, magical, energetic and martial skills. Myths and folklore about the Greek Titans, Gods and Heroes, to martial arts myths about Karate and Kung Fu masters have all given me aspiration and hope on this long journey of discovering my self and human potential. Myths and religious stories are nothing but ancient forms of fiction and we read these stories and (some of us) view them as real- the supernatural abilities, the divine connection, etc, so why is it so bad to come up with a new paradigm that uses modern stories fused with ancient and modern techniques of the Force, Super Saiyans, Namekian fusion and healing, contracts to have specific psi abilities, etc, as a means of physical, emotional, spiritual, energetic and magical well being and ability discovery?

From what I have experienced with my experiments into magic, psi and energy work, as long as your intention is strong enough and you know your body and mental states well enough that you can heal any blockages/deviations or know the sensations and processes before they get too bad so you can reverse them, any model of energy, magic or fitness you choose can be lasting and beneficial to your life and loved ones. Like mentioned earlier, you need a good balance of traditional understanding and practice (this is where master teachers [Guru, Sifu, Sensei, Mage, etc] are priceless) mixed with a good balance of intellect (Scientific Method) and intuition for the best results on the path- whether it is for spiritual or ability gain. I personally use it for both.
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I agree with you Mind_Bender, there's a lot of symbolism in anime and manga.

It's fine to use these things as inspiration.

It is not fine to take them literally and try to emulate the powers and abilities displayed in the show using almost wholly visualization and imagination. All this produces is delusion. It ignores traditional practices and methods of developing Qi. It is also not fine to lie about the results you get from such practices (i.e. claiming to be a Super Saiyan or claiming to make visible ki balls, or do visible energy beams that explode and damage buildings, or claim to fly. I have seen all these claims and I know they're all lies.)

Since you missed it and haven't seen what the actual Radki practices are, take a thorough look at this webpage. This is one of the more notorious "ki manuals". Note the almost complete lack of Qigong fundamentals (Yi, posture, breathwork, form) and the complete reliance on visualization. Also note the lack of real descriptiveness of the techniques. How anyone could learn proper energy work from this, especially Qigong, is beyond me.

The majority of the sites still around now that have Radki elements (psiwarriors.com, a few Avatar bending sites) all have this one fatal flaw: it's all visualization, tactile feedback, imagination and induced delusion. It has more in common with bad Psi practice than anything.

Also, Kendamu's advice is good.

"Use this breath, the rest happens automatically."

Him and I have a difference of opinion on what Qi really is. He sees it as more of a purely scientific force. I see it as a mystical force within the domain of Daoist Yoga and alchemy. However, he really hit the nail on the head when it comes to martial Qigong. Just breath correctly, attack, kiai and the rest happens automatically if you're in a blank state of mind. The Qi will manifest naturally because of your intent. You don't need to forcefully guide the Qi out of the arms or legs when attacking because this happens on it's own when you have the right mindset. This holds true for most spiritual Qigong and most health oriented Qigong forms (Baduanjin, Taijiquan) too. You never need to focus the Qi in one part of the body, the goal is to blank out and "go with the flow", do the exercise, and let the Qi move on it's own.
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