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June 18, 2004, 12:26:21 PM
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What do you all think about teleportation? I mean I have never seen it, only heard stories, like this girl in Florida who has been spotted from time to time, she is a thief and has been spotted by a camera, she apparently stole somthing from a gas station once and the camera shows her at the entrance then gone, like nothing was ever there, like an illusion, then people have said they saw her on the roof and just gone again, all within like 15 seconds...Can someone teleport with such ease? Is it even possible?
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June 18, 2004, 12:37:35 PM
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If any of teh members at Veritas coudl I'd be highly surprised and wonder why they feel a need to hang at a community aimed mainly at beginner teaching from the looks of it. (At least currently) WIth power comes wisdom is my opinion and someone wise would hone their power on their own or teach it. And if a teacher here could and was teaching it, we would have heard by now. The idea of it being possible however is vearied however. SOme say yes, some say no, and no one has proven either way if psionic teleportation can happen.

June 18, 2004, 10:25:00 PM
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Ah, but someone with that wisdom would realize that teaching such dangerous things to a community of beginners would be just plain dumb.  As for proving teleportation, that's more something you need to prove to yourself not because it's one of those "self-discovery" type things but just because the teleportation that I know is possible has been relatively short-range and spontaneous.  Basically if you're a natural and you have a flukey teleportation, that's the only way you'll believe it for yourself since I have no flippin' clue how to train/gain such a skill.
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June 18, 2004, 11:21:22 PM
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Teleportation is dubious, apparently, simply because there are so few accounts of anyone actually doing it.  There are the occaisional stories of someone knowing someone who could or some odd circumstance where it occured, however, as far as I can recall, theres been basically no one claiming to have actually teleported.

Theres a good bit more evidence for a similar process, where an object is teleported instead of a person.  This is usually known as "aportation".  Of course, its also terribly likely that this skill is actually faked in alot of cases, just 'cos stage magicians specialising in creating such a visual effect.
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June 18, 2004, 11:39:27 PM
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I personally dont think you could really teleport. If you could move _so_ fast that you were basically teleporting, then the molecules around you wouldnt be able to move away fast enough and youd just "vibrate" against them, and never truely unleash your speed, unless you somehow move them as well as moving faster then light. or you could "dissolve" like images sent to your tv. i guess? well, i cant see how you could hold your consciousness and such and design a way to do it. well you might be able to, but would it be worth the effort, and then whoa be it if half way through your travels you fail and are dispursed, and that would imply youd need to see where you were. I dont know i find teleportation sketchy well, in _this_ reality, but i wouldnt go into that cause thats off topic.
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June 19, 2004, 01:37:52 AM
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I don't know.... psionics is just basically moving particles around... why couldn't we just move them over a bit more? But I do agree with Lightbringer. If someone taught a newbie or something how to teleport, they could screw up and forget an internal organ or an arm or something.
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June 19, 2004, 02:39:34 AM
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but it wouldnt be just moving particles, itd be moving several types, youd have to know exactly where each one was suppose to go, then on top of that move the particles around you away, (assuming we are doing the "sooo fast its teleporting" concept) then theyd have to constantly be clearly the the molecules around from pt a - b. on top of pulling the person to the point. I dont know, it doesnt SEEM fiasible.
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June 19, 2004, 06:42:04 AM
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Not necessarily. Does pyrokinesis work on the properties of you conciously moving every single particle, or does your subconcious act as a mediator, translating your visualisation and willpower into actual movement?

You vizualise fire and the speeding up of particles, and your subconcious makes it so, rather than you visualising every chemical bond of every atom of all the elements that an object is composed of.
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June 19, 2004, 08:22:07 AM
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Hmmm...this debate begs the question: Are we simply doing things like pyrokinesis and teleportation through just generally "wanting movement" or are our brains so advanced that we are subconsciously tracking and placing every single particle in a flame/ourselves?

BTW Zake: I've teleported and I've seen someone else teleport.  Come to think of it, I don't remember why I ever stopped trying to harness that skill... :cow:
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June 19, 2004, 09:52:55 AM
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i think the biggest reason why people see teleportation as "dubious" is because even when people do speak up and say "hey! i've teleported before" others just say "bullshit" and choose not to believe.

as for it being dangerous: possibly. but really, what in life doesn't have a potential danger to it? just cause a person could potentially mess up and possibly stick themselves in a wall somewhere maybe, theoretically, based on logical thinking, doesn't mean that it will neccessarily happen.

after all, lots of people die or are seriously injured in car ("death-mobiles") accidents every day, yet they aren't banned. smoking kills and destroys the health of tons of people each year, but it's not banned. people have died while practicing sports like hockey, soccer, and baseball and yet those aren't banned. same with canoeing, swimming, dirt-biking, hiking (being mauled by animals, starving, heat stroke, etc), etc.

"danger" is an unavoidable thing in our lives, the best that humans can do is minimize the potential damage it can cause. to support that point, i'd like to note professional race cars and how often the drivers get away from highspeed accidents with little more than scratches.

or course, we can't "crash-proof" teleportation, but there are still some safety procedures which can be taken by the practicioner to ensure less likelihood of doing something stupid. ie, use common sense (ie, don't wonder if it would be possible to teleport into a wall and then try it to know for sure), make sure you have your target area very solidly held in your mind, make sure to account for the possibility of something being in that area when you get there (ie, if you're tp'ing into the middle of a parking lot, are you SURE there won't be a car parked at your exact destination?), etc.

now, if only there were a guide somewhere to teach people how to teleport, written by someone who's done it and who has already taught others to do it too ^_^

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June 19, 2004, 02:03:57 PM
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Hmmm...this debate begs the question: Are we simply doing things like pyrokinesis and teleportation through just generally "wanting movement" or are our brains so advanced that we are subconsciously tracking and placing every single particle in a flame/ourselves?


Obviously a person COULD try to control things at a microscopic level.  If you can move a psiwheel or a rock, then obviously you can move a molecule.  But I find that for any complicated things, what is actually occuring at a fundamental level does not include subconscious or soul awareness of individual atoms, but is instead closer to what I call "future selection", where you choose a particular future, and then by energizing it simply causes it to be, without consideration of the intervening method.

You'll find that the nature of this method sometimes results in unintended consequences.  For a fictional example, if a foolish person tried to cast a spell to gain a lot of money really soon, and if that person was successful in doing this, it may be possible that a relative could die, and they would gain the inheritance.  Ideas like this are why it's said that intents should be carefully formed.
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June 19, 2004, 04:02:34 PM
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i dont, i think controllling fire is a lot different from controlling your whole body instantenously.  even if you will it, how would it happen? if it was through speed youd get stuck unless you were able to consciously move all particles around you and move them away from your path making your path clear, or through dispersing your atoms and weaving through instantenously. I dont know how it would be done.
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June 19, 2004, 05:05:14 PM
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I don't know if you understand the points raised in kobok and Lightbringers' posts, killthedream. I suggest you re-read them, and attempt to grasp the concepts of "future selection" (influencing) and complex concious/subconcious molecular re-arrangement (that is if you didn't understand).

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now, if only there were a guide somewhere to teach people how to teleport, written by someone who's done it and who has already taught others to do it too ^_^


One of these points is already met by Lightbringer (the claim of succeeding in teleportation). Now the question remains, did you (Lightbringer) teach the person that you saw teleport?

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June 19, 2004, 05:18:01 PM
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I re-read it, yeah but im talking about the "intervening method" if there is no method (that could work), how can it happen?
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June 19, 2004, 06:20:57 PM
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Ive been hearing that if you use astral projection it might be possible to teleport. I don't know alot about astral projection though, but I did hear it allows you to escape the physical plane of reality. There are also alot of articles on how to learn it. You would have to experiment with it alot too.