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May 03, 2017, 12:45:17 PM
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midori

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Honestly speaking Im not sure what does Franz Bardon mean in the step 1.
Does he mean a thougthless meditation with a focus point (like listening to my breathing or heartbeating, focusing on the darkness of my eyelids)
or he means a thoughtless meditation without any focus?

Thank you for the answers

May 04, 2017, 08:44:35 PM
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Do you mean the last part of mental step I?

In the last part, he means a thoughtless meditation without any focus at all.

May 06, 2017, 01:04:42 AM
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In the last part, he means a thoughtless meditation without any focus at all.

'Wroong' ~ (in Trump's voice)

The focus is between the pause/silence of two thoughts, you still have to focus!

You focus on this emptiness of mind and you try to stretch the time spent in this thoughtless state.

May 07, 2017, 01:22:06 AM
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'Wroong' ~ (in Trump's voice)

The focus is between the pause/silence of two thoughts, you still have to focus!

You focus on this emptiness of mind and you try to stretch the time spent in this thoughtless state.

Perhaps strictly speaking there is still a focus.

But you are dealing with an OP who was having difficulty understanding Bardon and who evidently does not have English as their mother tongue - from the name I will presume Japanese (or some other non-native who is fond of Japan).

You might note I mirrored the wording they used for their second choice (of two, with all the other use of "focus" being on a physical concern). It was deliberate.

Detailing such trivialities could just lead to more confusion in such a case...and they will inevitably be discovered by someone who involves themselves in the exercises anyway.

May 22, 2017, 10:23:57 PM
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Well in my opinion it's important to point out that you still have to focus (as Rawn Clark pointed out also in his commentary), since there is a difference between meditation and relaxation.

Meditation can be relaxing but you always focus your attention to something while meditating (even on nothingness/emptiness).

For relaxation you literally don't have to focus to anything just enjoy the experience.