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May 11, 2016, 04:13:32 AM
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earthmagus

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There's this point regarding Rhonda Byrne's "The Secret" that I like to clarify...

It is said that I must accept things as they are. But, if I reallly want something, whatever maybe the situation right now, I can have it at a later time. Then again, how can I be sure if what I ask will come to me?

It's like this: there's this girl that I badly want. Well, she just broke up with her boyfriend and I was hoping I might be the one who can be next in line. It so happened that I got edged out by a rival and now that rival is the girl's current boyfriend. Yes, I am aware that it is against cosmic rules to cause a romantic relationship to break up at the expense of both people in that relationship. But, I am not after the girl being my girlfriend - I am hoping to make her my wife...

I am trying to apply Rhonda Byrne's advice in her book but since it isn't that complete, how can I be sure that what I desire will come to pass. Any ideas guys?

May 11, 2016, 04:14:41 AM
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"The Secret". Isn't that one of those suspicious self-help books like "The Key", etc?

May 11, 2016, 08:15:27 AM
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What makes this particular girl so special that you are saying you want her as your wife when you are not even in a relationship? This sounds like infatuation to me, which I have had a lot of experience with when I was younger. Plus, I believe all romantic relationships either break up or lead to marriage (most relationships at least). Also, no disrespect intended, what is your age?
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May 11, 2016, 05:47:15 PM
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If you need to resort to things like this to try to capture a woman's attention, then either you aren't worthy of it in the first place or she doesn't deserve to have yours.

Stop playing childish games. Be a man, look her in the eye and tell her that you want her. And if no is the answer, take it and move on.



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May 12, 2016, 10:30:39 AM
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'Black Magic' is what you want. You are trying to mess with her emotions so she falls for you instead of the man she is with. You could call on Lilith, spill some blood on her sigil and invoke the presence of lustful and/or treasure giving demons to do your will, but that is hardly worth the risk for a shallow love. And I do mean shallow, because she has chosen already, you are just getting in the way of her happiness. Let it be, man. You're asking for trouble otherwise, because it wouldn't be her decision, it would be you forcing your will upon some one else. How is that love? It's not, it's obsession.
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May 12, 2016, 10:50:49 PM
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Let's say I was in your situation and I feel I know somebody that I have deep feelings for that is with another, I would first go to a form of divination that I feel comfortable with or seek someone I trust that can do a reading for me to see what she feels... that would only satisfy my curiosity for a moment, and a very brief one at that. I would feel the need to go and talk to her about it first hand, but if she was with another, my comfort level may not be what it needs to be to face her in a mature manner...

If you are so positive that she should be with you instead of her boyfriend I would take Shinichi's advice - man up and look her in her beautiful eyes and tell her exactly how you feel. Be honest, but gentle. Let her know how you feel and give her time to process it. It is up to her no matter what you feel. Spell or not, it is her that chooses because her soul/ her Will can over power any magic you send her way.
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Your reality is only spirit.
Therefore you are in a state of grace forever."

"As relfections of the Source, we are little gods."

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May 15, 2016, 05:16:38 AM
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Why does no one use spellwork to make themselves more 'attractive'.
I do :P Kind of.

What I actually do, psychically, is make myself more "appealing" to others; making others create a positive image of me in their minds. It's very handy. However, that's not what this guy needs :P

What this guy needs is to learn some patience, and to keep hanging out with the girl. And then of course, to honestly answer the next question: how does the girl feel about him? You may want her, but does she want you? What does she want?

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May 17, 2016, 03:33:53 PM
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Man, did you pick a picture that exactly represented what I told you?

I disagree with Hellblazer, in that I know magic can change peoples' minds, perspectives, outlooks, etc. But, then she wouldn't really want to be with you, she'd basically be a prisoner of your infatuation with her. Love allows for freedom.

Also, you posted a story about a guy who waited four years to be with the girl he loved, and he did it without magic. Patience, and continue hanging out with her. If the other guy just barely edged you out, then it means you've still got a shot. Continue to present yourself as the great guy that you are, and don't fuck it up. I'm not saying that you will get to be with the girl, but if you're a manipulative asshole who only thinks about what you want, then fuck that; she's better off with the other guy.

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May 18, 2016, 08:12:28 AM
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Rhonda Byrnes isn't an occultist by any means, she's just a clever salesman catering to the vain entitlemen of middle class people. Fuck that.

You seem to be insisting on using sorcery - whether that be spirit work, spell casting, energy manipulation or psychic warfare - in order to achieve your goal. And yet, you haven't considered the strategic implications, something that is absolutely crucial in this kind of work, whatever your goals may be.

She might get a heartbreak and ferociously decline all your advances. She might harbor unresolved feelings for her ex and leave you. She might come to the conclusion that she "didn't knew what she was thinking" when she agreed to the relationship. You might harbor a subconscious guilt that reaches a boiling point over time, and when you tell her the truth, she reacts with disgust and leaves. Because it wasn't her decision, she will not have the fortitude to stick around with you and thus be persuaded by her friends to find someone else. etc, etc, etc.

All these risks can be avoided by simply following Shinichi's excellent advice. Hence, strategically speaking, not adding the ethical aspects into the equation, that is the best thing to do.

Ethically speaking, she's a human being for fucks sake, not a doll of whatever romantic fantasies you have built that can easily be molded to fit your fancies. That is not love, that is possession.

Fun fact! The word "persona" comes from a latin root signifying a theatrical mask. Stalking her on social media, eavesdropping in on conversations, analyzing her behaviour by observation, even talking to her in public, does not equal "knowing a person well". Unless you have an honest and trusting relation with a person as a friend, you hardly know them at all. Wife my ass.

Don't be an entitled little brat - she doesn't owe you anything. And she is certainly not responsible for your happiness. Nobody is but yourself. She is not the graceful saviour of your misery, irregardless of what Hollywood and social conditioning have made you believe. You should be able to live a fullfilling life just fine without her, and if you can't, you aren't emotionally mature to engage in a healthy relationship to begin with.

You have not considered that the guy she's with is actually her "cake guy", who took action while you were busy fiddling around in the bushes. You have not stepped into his shoes and asked yourself how it would feel if some sleezebag came along and broke your relationship. You have not stepped into her shoes either and asked yourself what she wants, and how that possibly might not be you.

Besides, why bother throwing black magic at her at all - she already has the curse of being a pretty girl. Give her a break.

May 19, 2016, 12:06:48 AM
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Hellblazer is correct regarding the backfire, it's a common thing regarding lust and possession spells.

@earthmagus: Why don't you do it the other way around? Use Magick that will bring you a gril you would really love. Might be this one, might be a different one.

May 24, 2016, 03:58:12 PM
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@Steve. I won't disagree with you, but when doing anything like this you need a bit of smarts. Let's say loverboy goes through with any ritual or spell to get the girl. Sure he got what he wanted, but there is always a chance of obsession on both their parts. If it backfires then it's on him. Sometimes getting what you want isn't what you need.
I'm aware.

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Hellblazer is correct regarding the backfire, it's a common thing regarding lust and possession spells.
And the reason for this is:

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Another problem is the lack of forethought.
That's why "love" spells tend to "backfire": because they don't actually backfire. A spell is not a moral compass and doesn't care about your morals, anyone else's morals, or supposed universal morality (it *does* care about seemingly "universal physics", in terms of energy flow and subconscious desires and competition from other sources, but those aren't "morals"). If it is done correctly, it does exactly (or mostly exactly) what you intended. So if you only intended to have part of a relationship, ie only intended to "get the girl" without thinking through the long term relationship, then guess what the magic isn't going to do and that you're going to have to live with instead?

Lots of things, like the other person's questions to themselves about "why the fuck am I still with this loser? I don't get it. Why can't I just leave them?" because they were never brought together in emotional connection (ie, love) but instead were merely brought together in circumstance or situation.

The best way, in my opinion, to use "love" spells is to use them to create situations where you and the other person can spend time together and get to know each other better; use the magic to align schedules and to reduce/remove distractions. Then it's up to you and the other person to figure it out between yourselves as to whether you really do like each other, or whether that was just a fantasy within your own head (psych 101: are you really in love with the person, or just the person you think they are? as Netero mentioned with the masks).

For you, earthmagus, giving magical advice doesn't really help if you can't produce magic anyway, but you're in the stages of beating yourself up with guilt over what you did. My advice to you it to definitely hate yourself for what you did, and beat yourself up over it so that you can temper your moral compass (then, after the moral compass has been forged, you may relieve yourself of the guilt as you resolve to do it properly/better in the next set of opportunities), but don't do anything stupid by hating yourself too much and creating more problems by acting out of self-loathing.

And, as I've said before, continue talking with and spending time with the girl. You can still be friends with her, even if you did something that you find disgusting. And it is nice for both her and you that you want to help her out now, by allowing her ex back into her life :) That's a good decision you're making (well, good intention at least. I don't know if the outcome will be likewise good, but that's for the two of them, or the three of you, or the entire social group, to figure out together).

~Steve
Mastery does not occur when you've performed a feat once or twice. Instead, it comes after years of training, when you realize that you no longer notice when you're performing a feat which used to require so much effort. Even walking takes years of training for a human: why not everything else?