i'm glad this thread is waking up,
i been listening to gateway cd's (monroe institute) for about 1 week now, and today i finally experienced a major breakthrough (for entire week i had no proper obe's except a sensation of floating once and once an almost separation). I'm gonna use the levels of phasing as described by monroe and frank kepple, as this helps to understand what is happening and what the next step is.
today just during the afternoon nap i had about 8 obe's (or maybe 6 i don't remember exactly)
i phased into what i understood as environment F2 (frank keeple's model, the astral layer of dreams), i remembered only 4-5 of trips, as soon as i woke up I got up and wrote them down in an email to a friend who's also going through the cds right now
Basically I was trying to trip for a while but it has been all not working really, until today when I just kept doing it over and over and over.
Tip 1: basically i think the progress can be attributed mostly to the gateway cds, but there is a wrong and a right way to do them as i realised.
The wrong way to do them is to physically move during the cd track, the right way to do them is not to move at all (not even a slightly bit, and best not to swallow either). This facilitates the body asleep/mind awake state (known as F10). If you move even slightly the body will not fall asleep. However, your body may twitch, shake etc as you approach closer to phasing out.
Tip 2: It is important not to try anything too hard during the cds as this will tense up the muscles slightly and kind of make the whole thing go the wrong way (as well as add up to frustration). I noticed this in myself if I 'tried to exit' or even had that intention during the cds then i did not reach as deep F10 level as I did when I just said to myself 'ok, i won't try anything, i simply follow instructions and whatever happens happens'. I noticed its better to fall asleep than to try to phase out or to achieve any state during the track (even if you fall asleep you'r likely to wake up seconds later). Plus read the monroe manual that comes with the cds.
Tip 3: I don't think at the beginning its possible to trip out during the cds. The best I had was falling asleep and waking up after a few seconds, and seeing scenes, hearing voices, seeing moving scenes as if you are peeking through a hole somewhere but this snaps you out very fast (immediately you snap back to C1 zone (normal physical awareness). I'm not too familiar with this but I think seeing things etc is F15 state. F15 is not an obe as such, its still more or less a shift, after F21 i think we start to get proper obe experiences.
Tip 4: I found it is best to do 2-3 tracks in a row, as by the time the second track starts I'm already quite deeply in F10, and during second track the effects seem to get more pronounced (eg: if you are doing 'lift off' track you notice different sensations during moving up or down, or i did, but i didn't during first track; similarly i did remote viewing twice in a row now and during second one very different sensations arose)
Tip 5: listen to the cds properly (i.e. not straight after food, eyes blacked out, no interruptions, etc). tHe manual explains this.
Tip 6: I found this had the main effect. During the cds I kept constnatly thinking 'when will i obe!? how is this going to help me obe in any way??? (as there is a lot of energy exercises during the cds), this kind of thinking blocks everything. There are multiple benefits to the CDs, first in each cd you spend a lot of time in F10 state (so you already get used to this state) and you work a lot with visualisation (which now i think is useful to elicit feelings/sensations which then can help you phase out), and also you work a lot with energy and sensing (if you follow the magical path this is actually pretty cool, as you create all kinds of energy forms and do things with them). Basically each CD is highly beneficial for phasing it does not matter what the cd techniques are.
Tip 7: Cycles of sleep. I think typical sleep cycle is 1.5 hours. Monroe usually slept in 2-3 cycles (3-4.5 hours) then woke up, walked around for a bit, then went back to sleep some more. He said this has an increasing effect. My sleeping now is divided into cycles as well. One cycle I leave for the afternoon naps.
Tip 8: Everyone I been talking to who phases quite well keep saying afternoon naps are the key. Today I tried afternoon nap and here we go a bunch of phasing obes occured. I now think this is also the key. I been trying to phase in teh morning for about a week, and it just doesn't work for me. For some people it does, for me it doesn't I'm too tired in hte morning I just want to sleep in the morning (but then again I go to sleep at 5-6am usually which messes things up considerably). I think the key here is to get plenty and plenty of sleep, so then when you take a nap you kind of wake up and fall asleep over and over.
Tip 9: Actual phasing techniques. If I enter F10 before sleep and can feel the body go senseless - if I try to phase out using any technique I found this does not work for me. By 'trying' to phase out I somehow make something tense in the body or mind, which stops falling asleep process. To obe the mind needs to be on the verge of sleep (according to these guys).
What does work is to simply go to sleep, then wake up and then start thinking about the technique. Today I used a technique I never even read about but somehow it just entered my mind (basically imagining that you are on a ground and with your hands crawling on it and touching the ground. The eyes are closed and of course all you can see is the usual darkness before your eyes, but after a few seconds suddenly the darkness as if dissolves and the environment appears, then you find yourself in that environment in full colour 3d and start interacting with it. Then the environment starts to fade out either gently or suddenly, for me today it was either after a couple of minutes or after even about 15 seconds on one trip, then the key is to simply repeat the techinque with the hands and again the darkness dissolves and the environment appears. I kept doing this one same thing over and over and appearing in the environment. From the different trips I think I appeared in different parts of the same environment (there was an ocean, a hill, a field, I then linked them together towards the end).
I found the key thing is to stay in the environment, by constantly having some contact with something (eg: I constanly touched stuff today and didn't want to fly for this reason as well as there would be nothing to touch when flying and so i thought i'd lose the contact fairly fast). In todays trips i either spent a lot of time ont he ground touching it and touching whatever else I could. or I remember when I stood up and walked I simply took chunks out of whatever was in my way and kind of held them in my hands as cley (mostly out of buildings). This kept the mind focused on the sensation, which kept the experience going.
--Frank Kepple said his success can be attributed to gateway cds, and specifically that he listened to 1 track (it was the introduction to focus 10 track on Wave 1 cd) a few hundred times in the first few months. He said he listened to it during the day, and even at night by putting it on repeat. He said if anyone does this then sucess will come within a couple of weeks. I didn't believe him yesterday, I do today. I listened to the tracks (in a proper way) within the last 7 days, I'd say between 4-8 times per day (so thats around 30 times). Some tracks I listened to more than once, others just once. But this is only because they were listened to in a 'proper way', I spoke to people online who listned to tracks and they experienced nothing, well this is because they kept moving while listening to them and thinking about what they were gonna have for dinner etc. The key is reaching F10 state, if you move even a slight bit that state disappears completely.
So the key really at first is the track that frank picked (introduction to focus 10) as it teaches the key of how to really deeply relax and to put the body to more or less sleep state. I listened to this track maybe 15 times or so (I never knew that my chin was always tense, until i kept listening to this track), and then once you know the routines you can go ahead and listen to others, then it becomes much easier to reach focus 10 (but remember not to move a muscle during the entire 35 minute track)
----difference between hypnagogic imagery and an actual phase-in, I don't really know to be honest-----------
The phase trip feels just like the physical world with no difference at all in terms of sensation (and I was only on F2 level, so there was no hyper-realism on that level, everything was just kind of normal, as if I was suddenly in a different country with strange things going on in it. Maybe the difference is you feel 'normal' like you would now and you feel somewhat in control, I don't know how hypnagogic stuff feels like, nor indeed what hypnagogic really is. Maybe hypnagogic is F2 but you simply have less control over it (like a dream)? I don't know to be honest.
For instance in one of my trips today, I waited for an army truck to stop at a traffic light, i opened the door and pulled out the driver (i wanted to see what it feels like to be in a closed environment such as inside a truck, and I always wanted to drive a huge truck at crazy speed), I entered into the truck, put the gear in first and started driving. For some reason the vision got half restricted (my head got stuck in the ceieiling ) and it took maybe about 10 seconds or so to correct it so the full vision returned and i could see the entire road ahead rather than just half of it. But the point is everything felt real, I even remember thinking how cold and uncomfortably hard the steering wheel feels (unlike the cushony steering wheels of modern cars) and how much the truck shakes as i drive it up the pebbled road (it was like sitting on top of a bull that is jump all over the place). I kept thinking 'this is like a computer game but for real'. Well I drove the track up the hill, and then as fast as I could down the hill, I'm surprised I didn't crash into a building, and then suddenly experience faded into darkness (maybe i did crash?), but I used the same 'hands on the pavement' thing to enter back into another experience.
Until today I only really had 1 similar phase-in, it was when I appeared on a beach and went swimming.
I must admit this progress is due to the cds, nothing else (as I been trying to obe/phase for months now (using all kinds of methods from robert bruce's to other ones, with almost no results except a few trips into RTZ)
but then we are not obe-ing into rtz here, we are going straight into astral environments, so it does not use up nearly as much energy as an rtz trip would (i've only had about 6 rtz trips in my life but i won't bother with them again as i found rtz environment very hard to maneuvre around or do anything in, why bother with RTZ when the astral is so much more fun with more stuff to do)
sorry for the long post, i don't know if that helps or not