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September 15, 2011, 03:39:10 PM
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I've been practicing from this book for a few years on and off.  Has anyone ever had success getting physical results from the elemental exercises?

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I've been practicing from this book for a few years on and off.  Has anyone ever had success getting physical results from the elemental exercises?
I am not certain what you mean. But I will answer the best I can;
This is a breakdown of the essentials skills taught in IIH;
Step I
 ~ Magic Mental Training
1. Thought control, discipline of thoughts, subordination of thoughts
~ Magic Psychic Training
1. Introspection or self-knowledge
2. Making of the black & white mirrors of the soul
~ Magic Physical Training
1. The material or carnal body
2. mystery of breathing
3. Conscious reception of food
4. The magic of water
Step II
~ Magic Mental Training
1. Autosuggestion or the secret of subconsciousness
2. Concentration exercises
a. Visual
b. Auditory
c. Sensory
d. Olfactory
e. Taste
~ Magic Psychic Training
1. Magic-Astral balance with respect to the elements
2. Transmutation or refinement of the soul
a. By fight or control
b. By auto-suggestion
c. By transmutation
~ Magic Physical training
1. Conscious pore breathing
2. Conscious position of the body
3. Body Control in everyday life, at will
Step III
 ~ Magic Mental Training
1. Concentration of Thoughts with 2 or 3 senses at once
2. Concentration on objects, landscapes, places
3. Concentration on animals & human beings
~ Magic Psychic Training
1. Inhaling of the Elements in the whole body
a. Fire
b. Air
c. Water
d. Earth
~ Magic Physical Training
1. Retaining of Step I, which has to become a habit
2. Accumulation of vital power
a. By breathing through the lungs & pores in the whole body
b. In different parts of the body
Appendix  
3. Impregnation of space for reasons of health, success, &c.
4. Bio-magnetism
Step IV
 ~ Magic Mental Training
1. Transplantation of consciousness
a. Into objects
b. Into animals
c. Into human beings
~ Magic Psychic Training
1. Accumulation of elements
a. In the whole body
b. In single parts of the body
2. Production of element-harmony in regions of the body
~ Magic Physical Training
1. Rituals & their practical applicability
a. Gesticulations
b. Bearings (Asanas)
c. Postures of the fingers (Mudras)
Step V
~ Magic Mental Training
1. Space magic
~ Magic Psychic Training
1. Projection of elements outward
a. Through one’s own body, accumulated through the solar plexus
b. Accumulated through the hands
2. Outward projection (of element energy)without passing through the body
 ~ Magic Physical Training
1. Preparation for passive communication with the invisible ones
a. Release of the own hand
b. Preparation of the fingers with help of the pendulum, &c
2. Passive Communication:
a. With the own guardian genius
b. With deceased people & other beings
Step VI
~ Magic Mental Training
1. Meditation on the own spirit
2. Becoming conscious of the senses in the spirit
~ Magic Psychic Training
1. Preparation to master the Akasa principle
2. Deliberate induction of trance with the help of Akasa
3. Mastering the elements with an individual ritual from Akasa
~ Magic Physical Training
1. Deliberate creation of beings:
a. Elementals
b. Larvae
c. Phantoms
Step VII
~ Magic Mental Training
1. Analysis of the spirit with respect to the practice
 ~ Magic Psychic Training
1. Development of the astral senses with the help of elements & fluid condensers:
a. Clairvoyance
b. Clairaudience
c. Clairsentience
~ Magic Physical Training
1. Creation of elementaries by different methods
2. Magic animation of pictures
My peers and I were able to project into paintings together and find a realm connected to them like a private mindscape or dreamscape, not all paintings are conducive to this though. We did not use the method of cardboard and condensers. We have animated statues to evoke the teacher or angel associated with that statue.So this is not impossible but the method Bardon suggests can be impractical, in my opinion.
http://forums.vsociety.net/index.php/topic,19445.15.html
Step VIII
~ Magic Mental Training
1. Preparation for mental wandering
2. Practice of mental wandering:
a. In the room
b. Short distances
c. Visits to friends, relatives, &c.
~ Magic Psychic Training
1. The great moment of Now
2. No clinging to the past
3. Concentration disturbances as a compass of the magic equilibrium
4. Mastering the electric & magnetic fluids
~ Magic Physical Training
1. Magic influence through the elements
2. Fluid condensers:
a. Simple condensers
b. Compound condensers
c. Fluid condensers for magic mirrors
d. Preparation of a magic mirror with fluid condensers
Step IX
~ Magic Mental Training
1. Practice of clairvoyance with magic mirrors
a. Seeing through time & space
b. Distant effect through magic mirrors
c. Different tasks of projection through the magic mirror
~ Magic Psychic Training
1. Deliberate separation of the astral body from the material body
2. Impregnation of the astral body with the four divine fundamental qualities
~ Magic Physical Training
1. Treatment of the sick with the electromagnetic fluid
2. Magical loading of talismans, amulets & gems
3. Wish realization through electromagnetic balls in Akasa (“volting”)
Step X
~ Magic Mental Training
1. Elevation of the spirit to higher levels
~ Magic Psychic Training
1. Conscious communication with the personal God
2. Communication with deities &c.
~ Magic Physical Training
1. Several methods for acquiring magic faculties

This list is the summary provided by the author Franz Bardon. All of these are possible to accomplish. However there are a number of skills which are not on this basal list and some of those are more difficult. For example;
I cannot ignite a cottonball with fire energy
I cannot levitate the body but I can lift out of the body to the Higher Planes.
I will not put "magic" fluid in my eyes but I am already clairvoyant.
I did not make the magic mirror because of the difficulty in getting materials and the cost involved but I would love to have one and I do scry with a crystal ball and other magical tools.
 I do have a few mates online who have made a magic mirror and posted images. I would love to borrow one for a session or have one of my own but not yet...

I know a lot of magicians locally. None of them can levitate or ignite with energy either.But levitation and ignition are not beginner skills. And imo, Bardon did not do these either. There is nothing that I have found that said Bardon could levitate

And clairvoyance, clairaudience and projection were not his forte. So he does not teach these as well as he teaches other skills.

Bardon was expert in the use of specific Hermetic energies though and there is no better book to begin magic in English or in any other language, or so I am told , and so I believe.

A group of us went through IIH. On the first pass, we did not complete as much as we did on each successive pass. Every time I have participated in a group or lead a group through IIH, I have accomplished more and learned more. I can confirm that it is definitely possible to complete these works.

When I began IIH, I was already clairvoyant. I was able to project in OBE and in mystic projection and had prognosticative dreams and I worked as a Reiki Healer.

IIH took me to another level. I learned about elemental energies and how to invoke and express specific elemental energies as needed. I learned the importance of asana and revised and improved other abilities and skills.
Importantly, I had a number of Kundalini events. My ability to see, hear, call and fly has improved so very much that I highly recommend the work of Franz Bardon.

However, I caution you that this sort of thread has routinely been met with disparagement on VS and other forums. Don't let that discourage you, please. There are many members here who study IIH and some of these will help and encourage you. But some of these made little progress themselves and they will discourage all others. This is the way of most forums.

But completion of IIH is possible. And if there is anyway I can help you, please ask. Imho, the raison d'etre or reason to live is to learn to love and to learn to communicate with the HGA and ascend to meet our maker in henios. IIH teaches the path of Hermetic Alchemy and Ascension Alchemy and Kaballah.
Here are some links for you;
http://fbf.hermetics.com/index.php/
http://forums.riverofenlightenment.com/index.php/board,36.0.html
http://www.sacred-texts.com/alc/hermmuse/index.htm
http://www.gnosis.org/library/hermet.htm
http://www.levity.com/alchemy/
http://athenaeum.asiya.org/Lomer_7_hermetic_letters.pdf
http://processmediainc.com/titles/The%20Seven%20Laws.pdf
http://www.hermeticresearch.org/
http://hermetic.com/
http://hermetic.com/crowley/
http://www.plotinus.com/plato_allegory_copy2.htm
http://www.esoteric.msu.edu/Merkur.html
http://www.plotinus.com/
http://www.plotinus.com/mysticism1.htm
http://www.kybalion.org/kybalion.php
http://www.tree.org/b11a.htm
http://www.hermeticscience.com/
http://www.digital-brilliance.com/
http://www.hermeticmagick.com/

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September 19, 2011, 08:58:17 PM
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I am not certain what you mean. But I will answer the best I can;
This is a breakdown of the essentials skills taught in IIH;
Step I
 ~ Magic Mental Training
1. Thought control, discipline of thoughts, subordination of thoughts
~ Magic Psychic Training
1. Introspection or self-knowledge
2. Making of the black & white mirrors of the soul
~ Magic Physical Training
1. The material or carnal body
2. mystery of breathing
3. Conscious reception of food
4. The magic of water
Step II
~ Magic Mental Training
1. Autosuggestion or the secret of subconsciousness
2. Concentration exercises
a. Visual
b. Auditory
c. Sensory
d. Olfactory
e. Taste
~ Magic Psychic Training
1. Magic-Astral balance with respect to the elements
2. Transmutation or refinement of the soul
a. By fight or control
b. By auto-suggestion
c. By transmutation
~ Magic Physical training
1. Conscious pore breathing
2. Conscious position of the body
3. Body Control in everyday life, at will
Step III
 ~ Magic Mental Training
1. Concentration of Thoughts with 2 or 3 senses at once
2. Concentration on objects, landscapes, places
3. Concentration on animals & human beings
~ Magic Psychic Training
1. Inhaling of the Elements in the whole body
a. Fire
b. Air
c. Water
d. Earth
~ Magic Physical Training
1. Retaining of Step I, which has to become a habit
2. Accumulation of vital power
a. By breathing through the lungs & pores in the whole body
b. In different parts of the body
Appendix  
3. Impregnation of space for reasons of health, success, &c.
4. Bio-magnetism
Step IV
 ~ Magic Mental Training
1. Transplantation of consciousness
a. Into objects
b. Into animals
c. Into human beings
~ Magic Psychic Training
1. Accumulation of elements
a. In the whole body
b. In single parts of the body
2. Production of element-harmony in regions of the body
~ Magic Physical Training
1. Rituals & their practical applicability
a. Gesticulations
b. Bearings (Asanas)
c. Postures of the fingers (Mudras)
Step V
~ Magic Mental Training
1. Space magic
~ Magic Psychic Training
1. Projection of elements outward
a. Through one’s own body, accumulated through the solar plexus
b. Accumulated through the hands
2. Outward projection (of element energy)without passing through the body
 ~ Magic Physical Training
1. Preparation for passive communication with the invisible ones
a. Release of the own hand
b. Preparation of the fingers with help of the pendulum, &c
2. Passive Communication:
a. With the own guardian genius
b. With deceased people & other beings
Step VI
~ Magic Mental Training
1. Meditation on the own spirit
2. Becoming conscious of the senses in the spirit
~ Magic Psychic Training
1. Preparation to master the Akasa principle
2. Deliberate induction of trance with the help of Akasa
3. Mastering the elements with an individual ritual from Akasa
~ Magic Physical Training
1. Deliberate creation of beings:
a. Elementals
b. Larvae
c. Phantoms
Step VII
~ Magic Mental Training
1. Analysis of the spirit with respect to the practice
 ~ Magic Psychic Training
1. Development of the astral senses with the help of elements & fluid condensers:
a. Clairvoyance
b. Clairaudience
c. Clairsentience
~ Magic Physical Training
1. Creation of elementaries by different methods
2. Magic animation of pictures
My peers and I were able to project into paintings together and find a realm connected to them like a private mindscape or dreamscape, not all paintings are conducive to this though. We did not use the method of cardboard and condensers. We have animated statues to evoke the teacher or angel associated with that statue.So this is not impossible but the method Bardon suggests can be impractical, in my opinion.
http://forums.vsociety.net/index.php/topic,19445.15.html
Step VIII
~ Magic Mental Training
1. Preparation for mental wandering
2. Practice of mental wandering:
a. In the room
b. Short distances
c. Visits to friends, relatives, &c.
~ Magic Psychic Training
1. The great moment of Now
2. No clinging to the past
3. Concentration disturbances as a compass of the magic equilibrium
4. Mastering the electric & magnetic fluids
~ Magic Physical Training
1. Magic influence through the elements
2. Fluid condensers:
a. Simple condensers
b. Compound condensers
c. Fluid condensers for magic mirrors
d. Preparation of a magic mirror with fluid condensers
Step IX
~ Magic Mental Training
1. Practice of clairvoyance with magic mirrors
a. Seeing through time & space
b. Distant effect through magic mirrors
c. Different tasks of projection through the magic mirror
~ Magic Psychic Training
1. Deliberate separation of the astral body from the material body
2. Impregnation of the astral body with the four divine fundamental qualities
~ Magic Physical Training
1. Treatment of the sick with the electromagnetic fluid
2. Magical loading of talismans, amulets & gems
3. Wish realization through electromagnetic balls in Akasa (“volting”)
Step X
~ Magic Mental Training
1. Elevation of the spirit to higher levels
~ Magic Psychic Training
1. Conscious communication with the personal God
2. Communication with deities &c.
~ Magic Physical Training
1. Several methods for acquiring magic faculties

This list is the summary provided by the author Franz Bardon. All of these are possible to accomplish. However there are a number of skills which are not on this basal list and some of those are more difficult. For example;
I cannot ignite a cottonball with fire energy
I cannot levitate the body but I can lift out of the body to the Higher Planes.
I will not put "magic" fluid in my eyes but I am already clairvoyant.
I did not make the magic mirror because of the difficulty in getting materials and the cost involved but I would love to have one and I do scry with a crystal ball and other magical tools.
 I do have a few mates online who have made a magic mirror and posted images. I would love to borrow one for a session or have one of my own but not yet...

I know a lot of magicians locally. None of them can levitate or ignite with energy either.But levitation and ignition are not beginner skills. And imo, Bardon did not do these either. There is nothing that I have found that said Bardon could levitate

And clairvoyance, clairaudience and projection were not his forte. So he does not teach these as well as he teaches other skills.

Bardon was expert in the use of specific Hermetic energies though and there is no better book to begin magic in English or in any other language, or so I am told , and so I believe.

A group of us went through IIH. On the first pass, we did not complete as much as we did on each successive pass. Every time I have participated in a group or lead a group through IIH, I have accomplished more and learned more. I can confirm that it is definitely possible to complete these works.

When I began IIH, I was already clairvoyant. I was able to project in OBE and in mystic projection and had prognosticative dreams and I worked as a Reiki Healer.

IIH took me to another level. I learned about elemental energies and how to invoke and express specific elemental energies as needed. I learned the importance of asana and revised and improved other abilities and skills.
Importantly, I had a number of Kundalini events. My ability to see, hear, call and fly has improved so very much that I highly recommend the work of Franz Bardon.

However, I caution you that this sort of thread has routinely been met with disparagement on VS and other forums. Don't let that discourage you, please. There are many members here who study IIH and some of these will help and encourage you. But some of these made little progress themselves and they will discourage all others. This is the way of most forums.

But completion of IIH is possible. And if there is anyway I can help you, please ask. Imho, the raison d'etre or reason to live is to learn to love and to learn to communicate with the HGA and ascend to meet our maker in henios. IIH teaches the path of Hermetic Alchemy and Ascension Alchemy and Kaballah.
Here are some links for you;
http://fbf.hermetics.com/index.php/
http://forums.riverofenlightenment.com/index.php/board,36.0.html
http://www.sacred-texts.com/alc/hermmuse/index.htm
http://www.gnosis.org/library/hermet.htm
http://www.levity.com/alchemy/
http://athenaeum.asiya.org/Lomer_7_hermetic_letters.pdf
http://processmediainc.com/titles/The%20Seven%20Laws.pdf
http://www.hermeticresearch.org/
http://hermetic.com/
http://hermetic.com/crowley/
http://www.plotinus.com/plato_allegory_copy2.htm
http://www.esoteric.msu.edu/Merkur.html
http://www.plotinus.com/
http://www.plotinus.com/mysticism1.htm
http://www.kybalion.org/kybalion.php
http://www.tree.org/b11a.htm
http://www.hermeticscience.com/
http://www.digital-brilliance.com/
http://www.hermeticmagick.com/



Aunt Clair I know this is an old discussion about the eye thing and all and I was no where near skilled enough to be in it when you and veos/prophecy were discussing it but your eyes have programming and water can be programmed to change the programming.

How you see the things around you and the inside of your head can be directly affected. Just like how a guy can look at a girls cleavage automatically when they see it or get focused when a all is thrown at them each situation has eye programming just like each chakras vibration is different for the situation you are in.

And me using a tigers eye crystal for it's superb looking effect and programming it into water and putting my eyes in it to get they eye programming down is the same as me programming water or anything else with the ability.

Of course I don't have to use water. But physical programming of something touching a physical thing like the eye is of course more efficient. Channel the energy using a tool that directly effects the sphere we're on and all. Dame concept for energy healing with heal with the energy that the problem was started on of course.


This I experience so no speculation of course. I'm just mentioning it cause when the ability came up I thought directly to your conversation cause it was the only outside reference I had for what was going on.

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I am by no means a master just a student
what I value is not the only thing that is to be valued.
And my way is not the only way
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September 21, 2011, 04:04:15 AM
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@Infinite Light. My post was not about an"eye thing". I replied to Jordana Divinorum that there are magicians who have had success getting physical results with most ,but not all, of the exercises listed in IIH. I am clairvoyant . I do not require help with eye programming . But if you feel that putting "magic" condenser drops in your eyes made you clairvoyant, then please demonstrate that to me, I would love to see your results.

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September 21, 2011, 09:53:39 AM
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I don't know what translation you have, but in mine it doesn't say to put the liquid directly in your eyes.  In fact, I don't know anyone who would recommend putting alcohol directly in your eyes without problems.

I also wouldn't call looking into a cup of coffee as a magic mirror and seeing events halfway across the world as "clairvoyance wasn't his forte". 

September 21, 2011, 11:01:54 PM
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As a doctor, I have to say:
As a general rule:when you are not sure what to do,seek help or advice.As for any chemical supstance,the pharmacy is always near by where you can ask a pharmacist for advice.
Al least,google your question and some answers will come.
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September 22, 2011, 02:06:33 AM
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Actually Bardon's describe how to prepare a "fire water" to fix bad eyes and also improve clairvoyance, I don't remember in which step it was, but I am sure, Aunt Clair, that you will find it.

September 22, 2011, 10:25:46 AM
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Yeah, you prepare a fluid condenser, condense the fire element into it, but you don't put the substance directly into the eyes.  You moisten cotton with it, and put it over closed eyes so it is on your eyelids.

September 23, 2011, 12:21:03 AM
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it is so beautiful that this website exists and all of you are here :)

i am at Step I (1 hour in the morning on thought meditations, and 1 hour in evening), now discovered yoga articles by wonderful Veos, planning to incorporate it and hopefully aim to replace sleep with meditation. Very Strictly for me, my road ended in IIH.

any practical tips on replacing sleep with meditation would be very welcomed :)

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it is so beautiful that this website exists and all of you are here :)

i am at Step I (1 hour in the morning on thought meditations, and 1 hour in evening), now discovered yoga articles by wonderful Veos, planning to incorporate it and hopefully aim to replace sleep with meditation. Very Strictly for me, my road ended in IIH.

any practical tips on replacing sleep with meditation would be very welcomed :)

It's hard to meditate while sitting when you are tired, body still wants to lie down. I myself cannot sleep while on my back, so I use this pose for meditation. I have found out that meditation replenish energy faster, then sleep, but you still need some sleep to relax and regenerate your muscles. I usually do about 3 hours of meditation and 4 hours of sleep.

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thank you awakened,

i guess i will just keep pushing it to see how far i can go right now, and then the body will establish a balance over time

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Strictly is the only way to truly practice Initiation Into Hermetics.  If you are not going to practice it strictly, don't bother at all.

i have to disagree :)

For it is better to walk slowly towards a goal,
than not to walk at all.

:)

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Not alchohol never used alcohol.

No, putting things in my eye didn't make me clairvoyant. only after obtaining clairvoyance It's just that the physical eyes have programming and can be programming that can be changed. it'll effect the way you interpet the physical things you see. regular eye progrmaming if you want to call it programming can change how your physical eyes work in each situations and help you see the mantras or concepts that you see.

programming a decree or affirmations in it so that's all you see and such.

:)

I was just saying the dynamics of the physical eye exist really. And any energy you want to effect the eye can change the hue of what you interpret what you physicall see.

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I am by no means a master just a student
what I value is not the only thing that is to be valued.
And my way is not the only way
JESUS IS LORD!

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Strictly is the only way to truly practice Initiation Into Hermetics.  If you are not going to practice it strictly, don't bother at all.

i have to disagree :)

For it is better to walk slowly towards a goal,
than not to walk at all.

:)
Not practicing the IIH strictly isn't like walking towards a goal slowly. Even Bardon says to take the time you need, even if that means you have to walk slowly. I'm pretty sure what Oriens meant was that if you're not practicing the IIH strictly, then it's a lot like trying to bake a cake without adhering to a proper recipe. Can you still make a delicious cake without adhering to a recipe? Certainly some people can, but those people usually already have some great cooking skills to do that. And most of the people who are picking up the IIH want the kind of cake that cooking by the IIH recipe will give, rather than some other kind of cake.

In other words, you don't make black forest cake by following the directions for making cheesecake, and if you're trying to make black forest cake then you should make sure to follow the instructions carefully until you're experienced enough to make wise substitutions ;) So Oriens is just reminding people to please follow the recipe.

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Mastery does not occur when you've performed a feat once or twice. Instead, it comes after years of training, when you realize that you no longer notice when you're performing a feat which used to require so much effort. Even walking takes years of training for a human: why not everything else?

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beautiful reply steve :) perfectly valid logical counter-argument
it is my desire for people to try iih, even if it is not strictly, but loosely at first, and later however their heart will guide them