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Psionics / Re: method to psychically knock someone out/ disturb their energy
« Last post by الظلام on January 10, 2019, 11:44:34 AM »
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and this passage by bardon:

“Another field very similar to telepathy and suggestion is that of hypnosis, by which a person is sent to sleep forcibly and deprived of the free will. From the magical point of view hypnosis is reprehensible and it would be better not to specialize in this line. This does not mean that the magician is not able to lull people to sleep. The practice is imaginably simple. The magician need only suspend the function of the spirit by means of his will or with the help of the electromagnetic fluid, and the person will fall asleep instantly. Here it is less important whether the magician is using telepathy or suggestion. He can use both of them as a makeshift but he does not depend on them. A master of the powers does not need one or the other, because the very moment he paralyzes the will by way of imagination, sleep or unconsciousness will occur instantly, which will set free the subconscious and make it susceptive of any kind of suggestions. Just this act of violence, i.e, the intervention in the individuality of a human being is not recommended from a magic point of view, and the magician will not revert to it unless to give his subject good and noble suggestions with an extremely strong effect. Even though the test subject should insist on being hypnotized by the magician, he should avoid doing so if possible. The true magician will always keep away from satisfying the curiosity of others by hypnotic experiments. At times of great danger, a well-trained magician may induce a sort of shock-hypnosis by paralyzing the spirit of the opponent with a flash of the electromagnetic fluid, a method that is only to be followed in an emergency which I hope will never happen in the life of any magician. It has been proven scientifically that animals can be hypnotized too. If a magician wants to do so, he will hit the instinctive side of the animal, so that even the biggest and strongest animals are immediately knocked senseless.”

I didn't realize Bardon gave this information, but yes, what he is describing is essentially what I was trying to convey towards the end of my response. If you are not already aware, the "electromagnetic fluid", is another way of referring to the Vital Force, if I understand correctly. It is the Vital Force's electromagnetic property that makes it such an effective and versatile tool. Through its magnetic attribute, the Vital Force easily receives the will and ideas of the magician, or in other words, makes it easily "programmable". And through the electric attribute, it possesses a powerful emissive quality, meaning it is an effective force for projecting the magicians desires and will into the universe.
Indeed, just as he mentions, rendering someone unconscious can be a very simple process - however it does require a trained practitioner. I'm assuming this passage is somewhere beyond step 3 of the IIH, probably within steps 4-5, and as such, when Bardon explains operations like this, he is doing so under the assumption that they have made it through all those previous steps and acquired the abilities within them, which is quite hefty in this case.

Of particular importance with this operation, is power over the Vital Force, so if you are determined to pursue this ability, you should look towards empowering your energy system. Again I am assuming the energy psions work with is essentially the same, so you may already have some degree of practice with it. But when it comes to empowering the energy system, it is not enough to simply practice manipulating and moving it around, but you must condense it into your body, to reinforce its power into your energy system, similar to how weightlifting builds the muscles.
By condensing it into yourself, you push the limits of your energy system, so that over time you will be able to take more and more of it in. This also increases the amount of this energy you will naturally command, increasing your power very directly.
Since you mentioned Bardon, perhaps you are familiar with "Pore Breathing?"
Pore Breathing the Vital Force is an easy, structured way to develop the energy system. Instead of just pulling energy in random amounts, you can carefully progress by measuring the amount of energy you take in through the number of breaths. This makes it easy to practice gradually, since all you must do is increase the amount of breaths you take of the energy in single increments. Increasing in this manner is much safer, since without a careful measurement of the amount of energy you are taking, you may take too much, and damage your system.
You can find Pore Breathing and accumulation of of the Vital Force in steps 2 and 3 in their training of the body/physical training sections.
Once you gain considerable power through such exercise, rendering someone unconscious is simply a matter of rapidly projecting into your target as much energy as you are capable of throwing out, while commanding it to either paralyze or lull them to sleep.
The Vital Force is very simple to use, the hard part is gaining a useful degree of power over it.

As for the thing about the electric shock, well unfortunately I haven't the slightest clue of how it can be done in the way that the link implies, though this doesn't mean it can't be done of course.
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Psionics / Re: method to psychically knock someone out/ disturb their energy
« Last post by johnhilton on January 09, 2019, 06:49:47 PM »
I'm not very familiar with psionics, but I'm going to assume by "energy field", you are talking about their internal energy system, and not their aura. I can think of many ways to do the things you are asking for through elemental magic, but through pure psionics, I may have to speculate a little.

If you are skilled with psychic vampirism, I'm almost certain you can drain a person to such a degree that they fall to unconsciousness, or get so fatigued that it hardly makes a difference whether they are actually unconscious or not. I'd imagine for the purpose of making a person fall to unconsciousness, it would be useful to aim for the head for such draining. Draining the body alone will likely just result in fatigue, however if instead you precisely aim to pull the energy within the head region, the mind may be forced to shutdown due to a lack of energy. However, this may simply kill them as well, if overdone.
While perhaps with lots of practice someone could get decently efficient with this to a somewhat practical degree, it will never be quite as easy or fast as a good punch or kick :P

Perhaps if someone's energy system was developed to such a degree of power that they can significantly influence the minds of the untrained, it may be more useful to simply use that influence to command them to sleep. Similar to hypnosis, but with actual power being used to facilitate it so that it can overcome the uncooperative.

You mention literally trying to disrupt the internal "circuit", which I suppose is possible in some way, but when it comes to magic and practices like psionics, you should note that it is usually easier to influence the mind rather than the body(physically or energetically). In this particular case though, I'm not sure whether it would be more practical to try to target the mind or energy body.
I think this would depend on you level of skill and power.

Trying to force another to sleep through mental influence probably requires the least amount of power from the practitioner to work, but probably not very effective in dynamic or violent situations. People that are engaged in combat become very difficult to influence mentally, even if they normally are not, so this method would not be useful there.

Using a vampiric method to render them unconscious probably would take a little more power and skill than the former, but if vigorously trained could be more effective in tense situations. It couldn't be resisted the same way mental influence can. However, I'm not sure how much this skill would have to be trained in order to result in a quick knock out, so it may or may not be practical.

Directly disrupting their energy system in such an effective way to render them unconscious however almost certainly takes more skill and power than the aforementioned methods, though perhaps it would be the most effective.
I'm not quite exactly sure how one could directly cause a "break in their circuit" in such a way to knock them out as you seem to be suggesting, but the only thing I can think of that would do something like that, is disrupting or halting the flow of energy within the brain region, which may knock them out, or just paralyze or disorient them. Perhaps simply a sudden, potent, and aggressive projection of energy through the brain region, basically a psychic punch, might result in a knock out or fainting. I could see two way of this working: doing this in a way that their brain region becomes abruptly overloaded with energy, so the mind shuts down to protect itself and compensate for the sudden influx in energy, or on the other hand, projecting the energy in a violent way that strikes the brain's energy system, causing it to suffer from sudden instability, where the mind would also temporarily dysfunction and may lead to unconsciousness or something close to that.

If the energy psions work with is similar or the same as the vital power which magicians work with, then there is little that a psion can't accomplish through the use of this energy. Assuming they are the same, this energy is easily programmable, and does whatever it is commanded to do, however its effectiveness is entirely determined by your own power and skill over the energy.
So assuming one has gained the necessary degree of power over this energy, it is easily capable of forcing another to unconsciousness. All that it would require is projecting it, and programming it do so. There would be no need for some complicated method, and it could be effective even in dynamic situations.
But again, its effectiveness is entirely dependent on you.

Now trying to literally electrically shock people, that is probably the most difficult thing to accomplish in this post. You would have to have such a degree of power over this energy that you are capable of making it physically effective, which is quite a lofty level. You would know you are capable of this if you could accomplish things like "flaring", physical healing, or any other similar displays of a great degree of power.
If you plan on pursuing the things you are asking about on this post, you should definitely wait to focus on this last one until after you have accomplished the other thing you asked about, and perhaps can do things like healing and flaring too

Wow, a very good response indeed. Check out these 2 links, they might explain more of what I mean. https://www.reddit.com/r/Osho/comments/a0nmx5/osho_false_shaktipat/




and this passage by bardon:

“Another field very similar to telepathy and suggestion is that of hypnosis, by which a person is sent to sleep forcibly and deprived of the free will. From the magical point of view hypnosis is reprehensible and it would be better not to specialize in this line. This does not mean that the magician is not able to lull people to sleep. The practice is imaginably simple. The magician need only suspend the function of the spirit by means of his will or with the help of the electromagnetic fluid, and the person will fall asleep instantly. Here it is less important whether the magician is using telepathy or suggestion. He can use both of them as a makeshift but he does not depend on them. A master of the powers does not need one or the other, because the very moment he paralyzes the will by way of imagination, sleep or unconsciousness will occur instantly, which will set free the subconscious and make it susceptive of any kind of suggestions. Just this act of violence, i.e, the intervention in the individuality of a human being is not recommended from a magic point of view, and the magician will not revert to it unless to give his subject good and noble suggestions with an extremely strong effect. Even though the test subject should insist on being hypnotized by the magician, he should avoid doing so if possible. The true magician will always keep away from satisfying the curiosity of others by hypnotic experiments. At times of great danger, a well-trained magician may induce a sort of shock-hypnosis by paralyzing the spirit of the opponent with a flash of the electromagnetic fluid, a method that is only to be followed in an emergency which I hope will never happen in the life of any magician. It has been proven scientifically that animals can be hypnotized too. If a magician wants to do so, he will hit the instinctive side of the animal, so that even the biggest and strongest animals are immediately knocked senseless.”




ps let me know if you want more info on anything. thanks for the reply
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Psionics / Re: method to psychically knock someone out/ disturb their energy
« Last post by الظلام on January 04, 2019, 07:50:53 PM »
I'm not very familiar with psionics, but I'm going to assume by "energy field", you are talking about their internal energy system, and not their aura. I can think of many ways to do the things you are asking for through elemental magic, but through pure psionics, I may have to speculate a little.

If you are skilled with psychic vampirism, I'm almost certain you can drain a person to such a degree that they fall to unconsciousness, or get so fatigued that it hardly makes a difference whether they are actually unconscious or not. I'd imagine for the purpose of making a person fall to unconsciousness, it would be useful to aim for the head for such draining. Draining the body alone will likely just result in fatigue, however if instead you precisely aim to pull the energy within the head region, the mind may be forced to shutdown due to a lack of energy. However, this may simply kill them as well, if overdone.
While perhaps with lots of practice someone could get decently efficient with this to a somewhat practical degree, it will never be quite as easy or fast as a good punch or kick :P

Perhaps if someone's energy system was developed to such a degree of power that they can significantly influence the minds of the untrained, it may be more useful to simply use that influence to command them to sleep. Similar to hypnosis, but with actual power being used to facilitate it so that it can overcome the uncooperative.

You mention literally trying to disrupt the internal "circuit", which I suppose is possible in some way, but when it comes to magic and practices like psionics, you should note that it is usually easier to influence the mind rather than the body(physically or energetically). In this particular case though, I'm not sure whether it would be more practical to try to target the mind or energy body.
I think this would depend on you level of skill and power.

Trying to force another to sleep through mental influence probably requires the least amount of power from the practitioner to work, but probably not very effective in dynamic or violent situations. People that are engaged in combat become very difficult to influence mentally, even if they normally are not, so this method would not be useful there.

Using a vampiric method to render them unconscious probably would take a little more power and skill than the former, but if vigorously trained could be more effective in tense situations. It couldn't be resisted the same way mental influence can. However, I'm not sure how much this skill would have to be trained in order to result in a quick knock out, so it may or may not be practical.

Directly disrupting their energy system in such an effective way to render them unconscious however almost certainly takes more skill and power than the aforementioned methods, though perhaps it would be the most effective.
I'm not quite exactly sure how one could directly cause a "break in their circuit" in such a way to knock them out as you seem to be suggesting, but the only thing I can think of that would do something like that, is disrupting or halting the flow of energy within the brain region, which may knock them out, or just paralyze or disorient them. Perhaps simply a sudden, potent, and aggressive projection of energy through the brain region, basically a psychic punch, might result in a knock out or fainting. I could see two way of this working: doing this in a way that their brain region becomes abruptly overloaded with energy, so the mind shuts down to protect itself and compensate for the sudden influx in energy, or on the other hand, projecting the energy in a violent way that strikes the brain's energy system, causing it to suffer from sudden instability, where the mind would also temporarily dysfunction and may lead to unconsciousness or something close to that.

If the energy psions work with is similar or the same as the vital power which magicians work with, then there is little that a psion can't accomplish through the use of this energy. Assuming they are the same, this energy is easily programmable, and does whatever it is commanded to do, however its effectiveness is entirely determined by your own power and skill over the energy.
So assuming one has gained the necessary degree of power over this energy, it is easily capable of forcing another to unconsciousness. All that it would require is projecting it, and programming it do so. There would be no need for some complicated method, and it could be effective even in dynamic situations.
But again, its effectiveness is entirely dependent on you.

Now trying to literally electrically shock people, that is probably the most difficult thing to accomplish in this post. You would have to have such a degree of power over this energy that you are capable of making it physically effective, which is quite a lofty level. You would know you are capable of this if you could accomplish things like "flaring", physical healing, or any other similar displays of a great degree of power.
If you plan on pursuing the things you are asking about on this post, you should definitely wait to focus on this last one until after you have accomplished the other thing you asked about, and perhaps can do things like healing and flaring too
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Psionics / method to psychically knock someone out/ disturb their energy
« Last post by johnhilton on January 04, 2019, 12:41:32 PM »
anyone know about disrupting someone's energy field to knock them unconscious or give them an electric shock? im sure there are psonic ways to do this, can someone tell me how? i heard something about creating a break in their body energy circuit (there are many methods of doing this i would suppose) to knock them out...

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Body Energy Arts / Secrets of RASPUTIN
« Last post by johnhilton on January 02, 2019, 08:02:35 AM »
Ive heard quite a bit about him in occult circles. He was known to be a master of controlling sexual energy and using it to attract people toward him. He also had an incredibly penetrating gaze which he developed by going for hours without blinking. His powers of influence were so great that when he looked into your eyes and gave you a mental suggestion you had to carry it out immediately.

Can any of you add more to this? What practices do you think gave him these powers?
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Magick / What do you do when your first cult fails?
« Last post by Throwaway123 on December 26, 2018, 07:06:08 PM »
Well you make another one of course. Yep that’s right! Our charlatan twins decided to hop back on the horse to shill more of their “divine wisdom”. I won’t link to it but it’s something like “3awakenings dot com”.  All they did was move to “the mountains” and shill more of their “divinity”.

Just wanted to get the word out and warn anyone not to get involved with these guys.
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Library Board / Re: Kundalini unravelled
« Last post by quartocamino on December 23, 2018, 04:49:54 PM »
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Body Energy Arts / Re: Ahmsta Kebzeh - Caucasian Yoga
« Last post by quartocamino on December 23, 2018, 04:47:55 PM »
Please check www.caucasianyoga.org
Actually Ahmstah Kebzed has borrowed parts of Caucasian Yoga.
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Hello and Goodbye / Greetings
« Last post by Isaana on December 23, 2018, 06:24:41 AM »
Hi all! I've been lurking around here for a while and figured it was finally time to sign up and introduce myself.

I first started taking an interest in psi as a teenager when I thought I could learn to shoot fireballs out of my eyes (or something to that effect), but quickly lost interest when I realised that wouldn't be the case. I recently decided to pick it up again for fun and found these forums after some searching. Despite my plans to learn as much as I could about psi I actually felt myself drawn to the IIH. I'm only on the first step and I'm taking it slow, but I'm already amazed at what it is doing for me (although my teenage self would be disappointed by the lack of fireballs).

As I mentioned previously I've been lurking for a while, so I'd like to express my gratitude to both the people asking questions on these forums, and to the people answering them. I would likely have given up on the IIH already if I hadn't seen that other people have been struggling with the same questions and challenges that I'm having.
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Psionics / forums.vsociety.net
« Last post by StevenPam on December 20, 2018, 07:30:15 AM »
hi all
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