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Magick / Re: Help! santeria
« on: March 03, 2015, 09:27:20 PM »
I can tell you personally, from the people I've met and worked with, your information is incorrect. I've met many Ceremonial Magicians, of whom regard themselves as Christians, who are very "powerful". You wont here that word much around here, as the majority of people here view self mastery as being more important then the development of low (folk) magic and thaumaturgic skill. Not that they are incapable of it, though more because they have moved beyond that phase of magic.

I don't want to sound condescending to you, but I'm probably going to. Take it for what you will, though it isn't meant to be like that. Most people on here know me (at least, the majority of the people who have been here for some time), and you can look at my previous posts. Now, moving on.

You do sound like you are 14 or 15 years old, and that you have done a lot of reading. A lot of this reading seems to have been done in wrong places. Though this practice may be common in Brazil, what makes you think of it as stronger then what someone in America would practice? The strength of a system is based upon three things.

1. Location (Certain areas have a type of energetic staining. If 50 people are killed, murdered slowly, it will leave an energetic stain in this area. Though this is a crude example, it is still an example of how a location can be more powerful then another).
2. The Belief in the system (Strength of the individual)
3. The System (as the Necronomicon was originally a falsified book, a work of fiction. It now has thought forms attached to it, and the amount of mental and emotional energy that has been placed into the system has made it quite strong)

What makes you think that Brazil offers a special location compared to multiple other locations? The system that is being used is spoken for and people achieve results with it, so this doesn't need to be spoken of. The only other thing it depends upon is the person, how well they do. Which is what most of magic is, it's based on you. I would recommend that you empty your cup. Take what you think you know and put it aside, and read everything. Use common sense, deductive reasoning, and posting on message boards much like this one. Don't limit yourself to just this board, post on many! You will find someone who can help you.

Lastly, I would recommend that you take the class that Chris and Dan teach. It's a very good class, and they are very knowledgeable people. Not to mention they have built up a fraternity over the years. I would say at least give it a try. It wasn't exactly my path, though I did learn from them, and from other people in the class. I also made friends and bonds that aren't going anywhere.

Again, sorry if I sound like a Douche.

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Magick / Re: Where's the majikal leadership?
« on: February 26, 2015, 08:54:27 PM »
I don't come to the forum much anymore, though I've been here sense the day the forum opened up under one username or another (one or two of them I couldn't recover). People leave and people come. Also, messaging forums tend to have a life span, just as social media websites do too. These often aren't very long, 5 to 8 years is generally how long they last. All you can do is answer questions for people the best you can and try to keep it going. Even if there isn't many, there are still people here that want to help. Though if you want a group of like minded people, I know Witch Vox use to have a search function to look for people in your area, covens, etc. You can read up on that and see if you can't find some more people. Though this forum has slowed down a lot, posting and asking questions and putting up new informaton can help to revive it. There are still generally 10 or more people viewing, on the forums at any given time. .

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Magick / Re: Help! santeria
« on: February 26, 2015, 08:48:40 PM »
I...... Don't think anyone is trying to keep you down, at all. You are kind of new here and don't know how things work. You ask a question, you get answers back. Most of the people are very friendly here and have been here for a long time, so more then likely you will get advice with it. Few people here will just reference a book to you and say "go read".

The answer to your question is simple. You should first do an Amazon search if you are looking for a book. The link is below which has many books available for what you're interested.

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=Santeria&rh=i%3Aaps%2Ck%3ASanteria

Next, check Scribd. A lot of free material on there, it's pretty awesome. 

Also, why strictly this? As others have said you don't do this for the magic, the magic system it offers is just the extra, it's nice. You do it because this is how you want to worship. Same thing with Vodun, you don't do it for the magic, you do it for the religion. There are a lot of stories of people playing around with Vodun and VeVe, and bad things happen; some of the time very bad. Ask yourself why it is you want to do it. Rayn had to correct you on the destination of where it's most commonly practiced, so it seems as if you haven't done much research into this subject.

Sorry if I came off as rude, it isn't an intention to do so.

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Magick / Re: What is the core problem that TDS try to solve?
« on: October 13, 2014, 11:50:26 AM »
To simply put it, TDS doesn't do anything "different" from other traditions, meaning the goal behind what they do is similar. To achieve a state of Godhood, create the Diamond Body, and to be one with God. This is a very basic way of summing it up, and higher up students may word it differently, though this isn't "fixing" anything. TDS is, or at least at one point, the practices were based around Bardons practice, or at least his work was an early skeleton for the system. I'm sure it's not exactly what it use to be, so what I'm saying here is probably outdated. Another thing to remember that the most available orders out there right now, such as the common day incarnations of the Golden Dawn being a good example, wont take you to where you need to be. These systems are being taught by people who are well read, but people that aren't Adepts within the arts. They weren't taught to see the Blinds in what they read, so they teach it as they learned it (and the available GD material is heavily laced with blinds). There are other systems too, that are slightly flawed. TDS doesn't load you down with a ton of techniques, they give you a couple techniques per level of initiation, and none of it has blinds within it. You also have Heirophants you can talk to easily, that can help to guide you. So you connect to a current that is well establish to help you on your practices.

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Magick / Language of the Serpent?
« on: October 09, 2014, 07:48:05 PM »
Reading a book it speaks of a Serpent, a special entity, that spoke in a certain language. The serpent is refferenced to being extremely old, possibly the depiction of what was used in the biblical stories of the Serpent, Adam, and Eve. In india they have stories of the Naga too, which were a Serpent like race. What do you guys think?

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Magick / Re: What is the core problem that TDS try to solve?
« on: October 06, 2014, 03:02:51 AM »
I was a student for some time. If you can detail your question better, I'll answer it to the best of my knowledge.

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Magick / Re: Theoccoult.bz, anyone?
« on: September 23, 2014, 09:34:21 PM »
I was on there before with an old email, years back. I just don't remember the information to get on. I tried the IRC, but I couldn't get it to work properly. I know of a few members on here that are members, so hopefully they have a free invite.

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Magick / Theoccoult.bz, anyone?
« on: September 22, 2014, 09:26:40 PM »
Does anyone have an invite possibly? I check in frequently, they are always at limit, so I can't just sign up. No one seems to be on the IRC when I check, unless if I'm doing something wrong. Anyone have an invite they would be willing to give out?

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Magick / Re: Veos and Prophecy
« on: July 01, 2014, 06:58:42 PM »
Also, being a father, It's much like a teacher/student relationship. In China Sifu means Teacher Father. At least, this is my opinion.

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Magick / Re: Veos and Prophecy
« on: July 01, 2014, 01:17:42 PM »
Keoting wasn't bad in the beginning, I've heard a lot of it is from the advertising guy. That he controls what's really said and labeled, and he said that would sell. Originally thew dude wasn't bad, he wasn't so full of himself when it came to his beliefs and published material.

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Magick / Re: Veos and Prophecy
« on: June 30, 2014, 06:29:40 PM »
I can speak personally that the classes are very affordable. Any adult with a minimum wage job could pay it. When I went, it was a one time fee, could be broken up, and it could even be waived for some people depending their situation. It's not like it was all about money for them, as I said, they have skills that can make them a lot more. Such as Veos ether being an Acupuncturist, or a soon to be one, he could easily be making 60 to 120 dollars an hour when he is certified. A lot more then simple class tuition would call for. Not to mention, living in a house with many other people, this is generally what reality tv shows are made from. To be able to live and give up personal privacy, and not really earn a income, that speaks a lot imo. Ryan, you seem like a logical person, have you tried the class yet? If not, why not take the class and see what you think? Or if ever in the area, drop them a message and visit them maybe. I wasn't even in the class at the time when I was offered a visit.

1. Something can't be held against someone from the time when they were much younger. With the way we all practice, our goal is for change of some type. For some it's more physical, for others it's more for the mind and the spiritual. Generally speaking, out ideals and methodologies, the general ways we work, they will always change, opening new doors and often closing others. This is just growth, and shouldn't be faulted for it. So what if he did Radki. So what if he did Forcecraft. Who hasn't done something previously, and now practice something differently now? Nearly all of us. We also don't take into the account the things both of them have probably done sense a young age. Such as meditation, breath control, and developed visualization. these are three keys in the majority of systems, at least to some extent. Ramose said that him and his brother spent a lot of time in Martial Arts, at a Karate Dojo. A lot of those skills I mentioned earlier are required to really excel at martial arts, though they also are some of the the keys to metaphysical development.

2. I don't find anything that ether of them to have done as not being creditably. I don't take into the fact of what they did previously, because I don't think that has merit really. Keoting often ignores emails from people, unless if it is about getting money, his partner that published the Nercromantic book is even worse. He is extremely rude to people, he will take weeks to get back to you even if you pay for consultation. These are people that both make grand claims, one claiming to have raised himself through Necromancy, higher then that of a God. Being well versed in many different school of Necrotic practices, I'm rather positive he's full of it. Though it doesn't stop him from charging the hundreds, some of the time thousands of dollars. Ramose and Veos have healed many people, done many things for people, some of which weren't even in the class. Keoting and his Partner are two of the big names in the magical community right now, it is why I refer to them. I can use others to though, that do similar thing.

3. As I have stated previously, I have taken the class, I am up to the third level within the class at this point, though I haven't went back. Did I stop going because it doesn't work? No, I didn't. I stopped going because it just wasn't for me. It still works, many people have had great experience with it. Some also may not have had good experience with it, those people should search else where, trying to find a system that they correspond more with. I can tell you, being a part of two other Orders, one being The Order of Phosphorus, the other I cannot mention, nether of them offer results as quickly as TDS has. This isn't being bias at all, this is giving my own review of them, having tried them both. I'm only still involved with The Order Of Phosphorus because of my relationship with Ford. I just don't think it's right for a lot of the things to be said here, because it may sway someone from trying the class, though each person should be allowed to make there own choice and decision. Saying to avoid it like the plague is rather rough, especially with the lack of quality schools in the West to actually learn from.

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Magick / Re: Veos and Prophecy
« on: June 30, 2014, 12:27:58 PM »
I did watch that movie, btw. It was good, but the experience is different. People live with Ramose and Veos, they don't just attend seminars and classes. A lot of these people are very studied and experienced in the occult, and it would be hard to bullshit them. One person of which I know is very versed in Hypnotherapy, and went there as a skeptic. He didn't leave as a skeptic. Ramose is right about his post, not changing the previous articles. We do ALL grow and all change, evolving in many different ways. Something that someone wrote at 12 years old isn't going to generally be the same views at 14, why should that be held against him? I have spoken to Ramose and Veos multiple times, them always responding and doing there best to give advice. Do you know how much professional magicians generally ask for, when giving advice? E. A. Keoting is one example, and he's not cheap at all. I can think of at least 4 that are stupidly expensive. They ask for nothing. They ask for a fee for classes after probationer, and it's not like it's a extremely high fee or anything. There are many reasons to "ask for money", that are perfectly reasonable. Such as, keeping those out who truly don't want to learn, or preventing a karmetic bond from being formed. Like I said before, visit and meet the man before you down talk him, that is only respectful.

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Theories, Articles, and Philosophy / Re: Dangers of Magick
« on: June 24, 2014, 12:04:56 PM »
Most of the ones I've spoken with, tend to have a deep understanding of it. It may not be the full understanding of course, though to reach a level of mastery, you would have to have some sort of understanding. In most traditions becoming a true initiate, an Adept, will bring take you out of the wheel of reincarnation, having mastered Karma.

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Magick / Re: Issue during meditation
« on: June 24, 2014, 11:09:47 AM »
A lot of what I practice is specific to the lineage I was taught, that I can't openly post much about. The tradition goes back a long time, I'm sure it's not that it doesn't flow well together. It's actually started to go away, and I think it may have had something to do with antibiotics I was taking. It has stopped sense I finished them. It wouldn't have had anything to do with the expectation of wanting anything to happen, as I've been doing these practices for a long time, enjoying the results as of so far. With how much I was drilled by my Sifu in San Ti Shi, it's correct, I'm positive.

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Theories, Articles, and Philosophy / Re: Dangers of Magick
« on: June 24, 2014, 11:04:15 AM »
Speak to an Adept, someone who has truly been initiated, they will tell you that Karma isn't flawed. Even the Egyptians had their own idea of Karma, being the concept of MAAT, of which they even deified. The 3 fold law is extremely flawed and fabricated. Karma is an aspect of the metaphysical world, it's part of the metaphysical law. Not that there isn't any way around it, or to avoid it, it is simply there.

Even some of the most well known practitioners of the LHP, two that come to mind, though Ford is more published. Ford is an initiate of the Serpent, I've spoken and met him, and we talk regularly. Even he confers to the idea of Karma, though as I stated, there are ways of avoiding karma.

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