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A Daskalos is one of the ten (now eight) students directly under Ramose and Veos.  Basically they were the ones who stayed from their first group of students. Most of them were/are teachers of the TDS classes.  They also supposedly take on TDS karma for Ramose and Veos, such as during a retreat.

I should have been more clear; all the students (including the Daskaloi) I mentioned who left did so because of problems they encountered in the school, meaning the abuses perpetrated by the Hierophants (some also left because of physical and mental/spiritual problems caused by the practices or remedies given). Now I readily admit that many students are fine with their behaviors, don't consider them to be abusive or immoral, and excuse (IMO) very questionable behaviors away as them doing what they have to do to complete their divine mission to save Western Spirituality (in addition to other reasons/excuses). But others aren't OK with how they treat their students and I wanted to make it known that those (former) students exist too.

I found TDS on this site several years ago, and then, like now, there were no reports of anyone close to the school or the Hierophants having any bad experiences with them. So I was not as aware as I should have been.  Perhaps I would've still joined the school had I known, but I would've had my eyes open a little wider going in. Instead I thought they were divine masters, because that's what they claim to be once you're around them enough. They come here and claim they want you to question them and their students say that they're not masters or gurus, but once you visit enough and especially if you're a local student, they do claim to be masters in Henosis (beyond Gnosis/Enlightenment). They claim a lot of things about themselves. Because of these claims many questionable behaviors are justified or simply ignored.  These behaviors unfortunately do trickle down to the rest of the school; many of these behaviors are seen in the closer students, and in the school culture as a whole. For instance, there is a lot of gossip and infighting amongst the closer students, and this isn't just political drama that would be exist in any organization; it's often begun by the Hierophants themselves.

I'm sure you'll get the other side of this story from some passionate TDS students (or Hierophants) soon enough.  :biggrin:

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So if no students who visited or were more then surface-level students have problems with the school, it's a commentary on how good the school is, but if multiple advanced students have problems with the school and leave, it's no commentary on the merits of the school?

People are free to decide whether or not it is a commentary on the school.  I just wanted to clear up a misunderstanding that has been brought up both here and on another thread.

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Well after over 250 posts the Facebook thread got deleted, apparently because of the increasingly heated debate.

I mentioned that thread because, as a former local student who was in the school for 3.5 years, I wanted to dispel the notion that only surface-level students who have never visited have any problems with the school.  In the last 2-3 years, I know of 7 locals who left the school (there are about 20-25 locals, including the Daskaloi and Daskalodoi). 

Those that left were all in the flow, and 5 of them had been in the school at least 3.5 years, with 3 being in it 5+ years, including one for about 8 or 9 years.  The latter is a former Daskalos who was one of the main flow teachers and the first physical student, and was there from the beginning (to give you perspective of how long he was around, the original plan was for this former Daskalos and Ramose to go off to the mountains together, just the two of them (they were about 18 at the time), to be wandering ascetics. Then Veos got the idea to start a school so they did that instead, and the Daskalos helped them start it.

There are three other students (that I know of and talk to; I'm pretty sure there are more) who had been in TDS for 3-5 years and left in the past 1-2 years.  That's not including the other former Daskalos, who was the first online student (his initiatic name meant "first taught") and who was also a teacher.


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Yes, the thread begins in April, but if he were to scroll down to look for it he'd only have to go back to September because that's when the last post was.

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If you want more information and reviews of TDS and you're on Facebook, join the group Franz Bardon Apprentices.  If you scroll down a bit (the last comment was made on September 19), there's a topic started by someone named Christian Martin. It's the topic about TDS and includes comments from both current students and former students, including former students who have visited, who had been in the school for years, and from former (and current) local students and a former TDS teacher.  Two former TDS teachers (Daskaloi) have left the school and have found other spiritual paths. Seeing that there were only 9 Daskaloi to begin with, I'd say that is significant.

Also, though I'm not a member of his school and I can't testify as to its quality, Martin Faulks is a member of the Franz Bardon Apprentices Facebook group, and if you find him to be respectable, you may be interested in the school he's starting called Seshen Hermetic Meditation School.  I have spoken to him several times online and find him to be quite personable. 

http://martinfaulks.com/meditation-school.html

Good luck on your spiritual path.


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Magick / Re: Some help is appreciated!
« on: July 16, 2015, 08:36:58 PM »
This ritual helped me clear some demonic activity I was facing:

Put a cross or other religious/spiritual symbol by every door and window (you can even draw it or print an image out), and especially by the bed if they're having nightmares.  Get some pure water, such as from a spring.  Add about a tsp of salt per gallon.  Put a crystal in it and put it in a glass jar or bowl in direct sunlight for one or two days, preferably two.

After charging the water, put it on your altar and meditate/pray with it.  Visualize light coming from everywhere in the universe, rushing past you and entering into the water.  Leave the water on the altar overnight.  The next day, pray/meditate with the water again, asking for protection and purification, then sprinkle it on every portal (door, window, vent, etc) with a prayer.  Also put it on all family members (or if one isn't available some days, you can apply it to their photo).  In addition to the water, burn sage or a couple sticks of incense and go to all the portals and family members, and circle them clockwise a few times, saying prayers to Shiva/Babaji/Jesus/God/etc. to bless and purify.  It's best if words come from the person performing the ritual, from their heart.  

Do this DAY and NIGHT for 30 days.  A family member will probably have to do it since it's twice per day for a month.   If the water gets low make more.

It's very important to keep doing this faithfully day and night for 30 days without interruption, staying connected to the purifying light and the divine connection and protection. In General, every time the family prays or meditates, they should sit for awhile afterwards and visualize an impenetrable shield of light all around them. They can visualize this whenever they're feeling positive and spiritual and ask God (whichever form) to protect them.

Hope that helps.  Good luck.

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Spirituality / Re: Swami Kenananda's Weekly Message 3-24-15
« on: July 08, 2015, 10:11:45 PM »
My husband and I love receiving Swami Ken's messages of the week.  We have been to his satsangs and have spent personal time with him at the home where he was staying during his travels, where we shared meals and early morning meditations with him.  He also gave us a lecture on the Yoga Vasistha, which was Shivabalayogi's favorite scripture.  He told us about his ashram in Minnesota, and the Shiva ling he found for it, which was quite the story.  

We were very pleasantly surprised when he was so willing to talk to us; he was very down to earth.  I have found humility to be rare in spiritual teachers.  He's not my guru (I follow Yogiraj Satgurunath Siddhanath), but he's definitely worth going to see if he is speaking near you, especially if you can talk to him afterwards.  His schedule is on his site (www.swamikena.org).  Just being a direct disciple of Shivabalayogi is enough of a reason to see him IMO.

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Magick / Re: Mystery schools
« on: May 29, 2014, 10:47:14 PM »
The Divine Science is working on a brand new site that will be released hopefully in the next few months, but by the latest at the end of the year.  It will be a lot easier to use and the aim is for the topics/chats/lectures etc. to grow 'organically.'  It's actually brand new technology that the creator (also an assistant teacher in the school) is programming himself, so it should be pretty exciting when it's released.

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Magick / Re: Mystery schools
« on: January 08, 2014, 11:14:07 AM »
Enrollment for the TDS Probationer class is now open:

thedivinescience.org/

BTW, I know of at least one TDS student that lives in Sweden.  He actually came to study at the TDS temple in Florida for a few months this past year.

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Magick / Re: Divine Science Introductory Class is open for enrollment
« on: April 11, 2011, 04:29:15 PM »
I've decided against debating, but I thank you for your concern and I'll consider what you've said.

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Magick / Re: Divine Science Introductory Class is open for enrollment
« on: April 11, 2011, 09:32:06 AM »
Have you read anything on the Divine Science website?  I'm thinking it will be a Western approach to Self-realization (any siddhis being a side-effect, not the goal), but we shall see.

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Magick / Re: Divine Science Introductory Class is open for enrollment
« on: April 09, 2011, 07:45:30 PM »
Thanks! :)

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Magick / Re: Divine Science Introductory Class is open for enrollment
« on: April 09, 2011, 06:37:43 PM »
Class B.  :)  Question - Is Ramose someone who is on these forums?  I see the names Ramose and Veos on the Divine Science site, the latter of which I know posts here.  Or is Prophecy the same person as Ramose?

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Magick / Re: Divine Science Introductory Class is open for enrollment
« on: March 17, 2011, 02:54:32 AM »
I applied as well.  I just stumbled onto this forum a week ago by accident, while looking up information on mystery schools.  The first thread I clicked on via Google had the info about this class in it.  It was just several days after the open enrollment started.  Good timing!

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