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With 100% of the staff vote, and 90% of the member vote, the revision has passed.

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Voting Forum / Re: Vote: New Rule: Advertisement of External Groups
« on: October 22, 2015, 05:39:17 PM »
Results of this vote, as well as a proposed revision, can be found here:  http://forums.vsociety.net/index.php/topic,23547.0.html

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(Continuing from http://forums.vsociety.net/index.php/topic,23529.0.html)

With 83.3% of the Staff vote, and 63.6% of the Member vote, the rule regarding "Advertisement of External Groups" has passed.  There was no Council vote.

However, I have asked that this vote not be put into effect yet.  After some private discussions, I realized that the Council did not ask for this responsibility, nor were they comfortable with the idea.  Therefore, I propose a revision:

Change this rule:
"No recruitment or advertisement of external groups, orders, or schools is allowed without the permission of a member of the Veritas Council.  Discussions of experiences and validity are allowed."

...to the following:
"On-topic groups and organizations may announce events or recruit only if they do not require a financial commitment at any level.  Discussion and testimonials about groups and organizations is allowed."

The intent behind the rule stays the same, which is that our Truths should be available to everyone, regardless of their financial status (personal opinion).  While this wording does prevent some legitimate groups from advertising, it also removes the responsibility placed on the Council to be "watchmen"/"judges" in addition to their other tasks.  Whether or not a group charges for knowledge will be easily researchable, and enforceable, by all of our moderators without Council involvement.

Should this revision pass, it will replace the rule just passed on October 21st (EDT).  If this revision does not pass, the October 21st rule will take effect.

You have seven days to vote, and you may change your vote.

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Psionics / Re: Psionic Challenge results
« on: October 19, 2015, 12:16:41 PM »
Four days away from this thread being 10 years old.

Impressive.

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Main Hall / Be smart.
« on: October 18, 2015, 12:49:18 PM »
We recently had a disturbing incident and I've been asked to discuss it in further detail publicly.

We had a user, let's call him Bob, who happened to have a password for user Tom's account, without Tom's knowledge.  Tom happened to have moderator powers.  Bob signed in to Tom's account, used Tom's allotment of "karma", checked Tom's PMs, posted as Tom ("accidentally", and then deleted it himself), used Tom's moderator abilities to modify another user's profile, and changed Tom's email address (likely to maintain access to the account should the password be changed).

Needless to say, Bob is now banned.  We don't specifically have a "don't log in to a moderator's account, use his karma, check his PMs, post as him, use his powers, and change his email address" rule, but this obviously shows a lack of respect for the moderator, which breaks rule #1 (and arguably rule #4). 

We have the capability to track a lot of activity on this website, and while we don't go through that information just for kicks, we can and will go through it if we suspect foul play.  Before the user was banned, I contacted them for some sort of explanation, to give them a chance.  Unfortunately they lied to me in PM about the extent of their activity, and that added to the duration of their ban.

The take-away from this, is be smart.  Be smart, be civil, be forthright to everyone on this site, regardless on whether or not you agree with them on issues.  Be better than Bob.

--Trowa

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After internal staff discussion, I am locking this thread.  Testimonials concerning TDS as a school can continue to be posted in truthStudent111's thread at http://forums.vsociety.net/index.php/topic,23534.0.html , but this recruitment thread is now closed.

Those of you who object to this notion are free to PM a moderator (or, frankly, another moderator) with your objections.

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Kemetin:  I locked that thread, move on.

I made my post before you locked it (going off the times on my post and on your post in the other thread - it certainly wasn't locked when I looked at it right before typing up my reply), so I'm not sure what "move on" is supposed to mean exactly.
I am confused as to why you are confused.  I was informing you that I had locked the thread, and therefore it wasn't a problem any more.  I was informing you because you protested against the thread.  Therefore, you may "move on", as it's not a problem any more.

It's intermittent, but there are times when I mean exactly what I type.  :)

I protested against the thread while it was still open. It would have made sense to tell me to move on if I kept doing so afterwards, but since I didn't, your comment was kinda superfluous. Thus the confusion.
...

Change "move on" to whatever semantics will let you understand that I am just informing you that I had locked the thread in question and it wasn't a problem any more.  Clearly this was a mistake and I will make no further attempts to appease you in the future.

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Kemetin:  I locked that thread, move on.

I made my post before you locked it (going off the times on my post and on your post in the other thread - it certainly wasn't locked when I looked at it right before typing up my reply), so I'm not sure what "move on" is supposed to mean exactly.
I am confused as to why you are confused.  I was informing you that I had locked the thread, and therefore it wasn't a problem any more.  I was informing you because you protested against the thread.  Therefore, you may "move on", as it's not a problem any more.

It's intermittent, but there are times when I mean exactly what I type.  :)

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Kemetin:  I locked that thread, move on.

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I understand the intent behind this thread, but this is a public forum, and you don't get to decide what kind of viewpoints show up in a thread.  If you want to form an article summarizing testimonials and post that, that is fine, but it will also be open to discussion by everyone.

As this thread is currently just a copy and paste from another thread, I am choosing to lock this thread.

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Voting Forum / Re: Vote: New Rule: Advertisement of External Groups
« on: October 16, 2015, 03:48:27 PM »
It's why we have discussion threads.  :)

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Voting Forum / Re: Vote: New Rule: Advertisement of External Groups
« on: October 16, 2015, 03:19:43 PM »
I am confused, what needs clarification?  The rule would be enforced by moderators as they see fit and at their own discretion, just like every other rule we have. 

The rule as currently proposed in this vote will include the Veritas Council provision, and to revise it during this voting period is unfair to everyone who has already voted and doesn't know the edit was made.  To end the vote early is unfair for those who want to vote for the rule as-is.

You are voting for the rule as it is written today.  However, that does not mean that the rule can't be revised in a follow-up vote, if it passes.  Based on some feedback I've received, regardless of the results of this vote I will likely submit a revision for another vote.  (That proposed revision some will agree with, and some will disagree with.)

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This discussion should be about TDS as a school.  Let's not waste any more energy typing keys to argue over grammar, or over who is more 'elitist'.

If you insist this is what you want to do, move it to PMs.  Otherwise, get back on track.

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I have removed the three names you mentioned in your post, as I doubt they gave you permission to use their real names, and I respect their privacy just as much as I respect yours.

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Voting Forum / Vote: New Rule: Advertisement of External Groups
« on: October 14, 2015, 02:22:16 PM »
The proposed rule:

"No recruitment or advertisement of external groups, orders, or schools is allowed without the permission of a member of the Veritas Council.  Discussions of experiences and validity are allowed."

As we cannot verify the validity of every external group, I feel as a member of the staff that we should keep our members' best interest at heart.  We cannot guarantee that an external group will not harm you physically, financially, mentally, emotionally, or spiritually.  To allow any such group to advertise on this website is negligent.  Therefore, I propose the above rule.  I do not want to prevent discourse from other communities, I merely wish to protect our members and guests.

The vote will run for seven days, and due to the potentially sensitive nature of the poll, the general results will only be shown after the poll has expired.  Discussion of this rule should take place below, and you are allowed to change your vote.  As per our constitution, a vote on the same topic will take place among the staff elsewhere.

Edit:  Edited the title to ensure it was clear that this is a vote.

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