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Magick / Re: who actually summons spirits? Why and How?
« on: June 28, 2009, 08:22:10 PM »
To learn? as in to gain knowledge? or learn from the spirits?
Do you think that anyone could do it?
What does it take to get to that level?

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Magick / Re: Hexagradior---best way for beginners?
« on: June 28, 2009, 10:55:10 AM »
Hey Tempestum,

Guess Prophesy won't answer me... hmmmmm I'll wait. lol

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Magick / who actually summons spirits? Why and How?
« on: June 28, 2009, 10:52:56 AM »
* curious as to the replies if ANY *

I know it's possible to do so, of course, but I want to know who here does it, why, and how.

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Magick / Re: Why is it so hard to call spirits?
« on: June 27, 2009, 01:07:54 PM »
Enchia:

- beginner's curiosity, not an attack - 

Have you summoned any spirits? Or are you still not experienced enough? What way?

This will just help my knowledge; I won't try it yet don't worry, I know better.



In what constructive way does my own occult experience adds to your knowledge?

To answer your question, I do not have any experience with summoning spirits. Nor I am planning to learn it as it does not fit in my own magical practices.


Well to answer your question:

I guess now... none.

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Magick / Re: Why is it so hard to call spirits?
« on: June 27, 2009, 09:19:43 AM »
Enchia:

- beginner's curiosity, not an attack - 

Have you summoned any spirits? Or are you still not experienced enough? What way?

This will just help my knowledge; I won't try it yet don't worry, I know better.


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Magick / Re: Hexagradior---best way for beginners?
« on: June 27, 2009, 09:08:23 AM »
And that's great... really, it is, that HE's trying to help me out, but I'm asking simple questions to the limited knowledge I have, on these subjects, that's all.
Not trying to offend, just seriously asking. He seems to know, so I'm asking him.
Am I not supposed to?
Is this not the point of holding conversations as such?
Or am I supposed to just nod my head and say yes to everything?
Again... not to seem like some jerk, because I'm really not, I am... simply ... just asking sincere questions.

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Magick / Re: Hexagradior---best way for beginners?
« on: June 27, 2009, 08:57:34 AM »
My recommendation in deciding a system is simple. There are hundreds of systems of magic out there, each one professing to be the cutting edge, or the mostest, or the bestest, or the oldest, or any other "est" applicable.  All of the talk about all of those systems should be regarded simply as talk.  Instead, if you find a system that seems to interest you, seek out its adepts.  Interact with them, and see what kind of people they are.  How advanced do the professed adepts of that system actually appear to be?  Do research on the system, and see if any significant figures have emerged from it.  Study up on the leading figures of that system, perhaps reading one of their books and looking into biographies or autobiographies of they are available.  This way you can try to see what that system accomplished for the people who devoted themselves to it.  If you can't find any adepts, I would recommend looking elsewhere.  Something which sounds good in theory may not necessarily work out in practice, and a brilliant and inspiring philosopher does not necessarily have any legitimate magical skill. 


Figures??
What system has worked out for you?
I mean, unless you're still looking.
Have you found something which "works out in practice" and you're 100% sure of? be honest here... to yourself and I.






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Magick / Re: Hexagradior---best way for beginners?
« on: June 20, 2009, 03:52:59 PM »
Thanks Watchtower I'll do JUST that.

I just hope I don't end up taking classes later on with a bunch of wanna-be's and i'm-after-your-money-loser guys lol

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Main Hall / Re: NEW MEMBERS!
« on: June 20, 2009, 03:47:12 PM »
Woah woah... people are getting cows now?? WHAT is THIS????????

*squints at everyone*....................................... where's MY cow? lol

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Magick / Re: Hexagradior---best way for beginners?
« on: June 19, 2009, 06:25:03 AM »
I'll look around to see what I like; I have a long way to go. Thanks Horvath.

Tempestum:

If you don't consider it 'magic' than what would you consider it? what WOULD be considered magic for you?

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Main Hall / Re: NEW MEMBERS!
« on: June 18, 2009, 11:57:40 AM »
* chews criticism lollipop and says cookie ten times in a darkened room while looking into a mirror*

DON'T WANNA GO TO HELL!! * eats cookie * lol


And wth is up with the weird lurker...?? lol

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Main Hall / Re: NEW MEMBERS!
« on: June 18, 2009, 09:22:47 AM »
OK.... soooo I'm NEW.

Should I be ready for some major criticism? Or will I get a lollipop or something??

I don't think this post thing will work... yea

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Magick / Re: Hexagradior---best way for beginners?
« on: June 18, 2009, 09:02:28 AM »
What did "Watchtower" mean by this?

If you can't find a teacher of an established system... 

How would I know of a teacher? what system would be a good one to start with? would it be online or in person? Are there houses or places where to learn, or congregate? Other then people from this site, I've never met anyone that is into magick for real; many people just pretend and act like they know what they talk about, but I know those people are full of crap.

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Magick / Re: Hexagradior---best way for beginners?
« on: June 17, 2009, 07:34:48 PM »
Thanks for the help. I guess I'll start with Initiation into Hermetics by Bardon, or read both at the same time.

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Magick / Hexagradior---best way for beginners?
« on: June 17, 2009, 05:11:49 PM »
I'm completely new to all of this. I wonder if anyone has read this. If you have please tell me what you think about it. I started reading this book, but couldn't get the "ether" feeling right. Help? What would be best to start off?

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