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Magick / Re: Veos and Prophecy
« on: July 08, 2014, 08:25:32 PM »
Well now, it is unfortunate there is such a long topic about us, the goal of which seems to be to provide as little truth as possible.  I don't care to address most of this post because I don't see much good in doing so.  People who will not like us will most likely always not like us.  Ramose and I have always tried to have an open door policy even years ago when we worked with you all here at Veritas, allowing complete strangers to come and live with us for a few days, sometimes weeks and even months, so that they could determine for their own self whether or not we were frauds.  A few students turned to a few dozen, turned to a few hundred and the necessity of TDS was formed to help teach such a large group of people.  No conspiracies, no schemes, no marketing, just simple growth and accommodation.  To my knowledge people are not allowed to go live with July Scot or Christian Bernard, the heads of AMORC, or with Ashcroft Nowiki, Julianus or the heads of any other major esoteric orders to test their credibility.  In this regards we have done all I think is actually possible to satisfy the doubts of people who at least have the decency to stand up from behind the protection of a keyboard and come see us themselves.  As far as finances are concerned, teaching is Ramose and I's full time job.  I spend 6-8 hours a day answering emails, skyping with international students, spending time at the temple with local students and having students over at my house for late night lectures and meditations.  Thus Ramose and I need to be able to have a roof over our heads and food at the table, and deserve to at least live striding the line of poverty in return for our work.  Aside from this, in order to accommodate the growing demand of students locally we purchased 3 acres of land and mortgaged a house to help teach those interested in learning what we have to offer, and so that our teaching style can be as direct and effective as possible.  This of course put us over 100k US dollars in debt, and I doubt that many of you if any have spent even a hundred dollars in helping another's spiritual path, let alone 100,000.  We do this because we sincerely and deeply care about our students and wish to be the best teachers we can for them, not out of some conspiracy or money scheme.  If you can pay for a smart phone, a ps4 or xbox1, a gaming computer, video games, movies, etc...but can't spare $25 a month to help support your teachers and spiritual brothers and sisters then your priorities aren't arranged properly for the spiritual path anyways.  

Last but not least, anyone who actually knows Ramose and I knows that we have traveled around the world and all over America meeting spiritual masters from many different traditions.  It is commonplace for us to have to leave for a month at a time throughout the year for our travels to meet spiritual masters for ourselves and see what they have to offer.  This has been a past-time of ours since we were 16 years old, and I hope it will be so for the rest of our lives.  Of the many people we have met and had the good graces to sit, talk with and learn from, Max Christensen is one of them.  Fortunately my experiences with Max were much better than Geburah's experiences, and I have found him to be a true spiritual master of the lineages he presents.  I don't know how many masters some people have met, and I am probably far from an authority, but having met a few dozen masters of daoist, shamanic, buddhist, yogic and sufi lineages I would hope I have developed a bit of an eye for it.  Unfortunately for Max he seems to be part of a much greater conspiracy of "animal skin meditators" that we somehow seem to have fallen into as well, and which seems to span thousands of years into the past.  I will leave Geburah to investigate such things.

This is my first and last post on the matter because I actually do have better things to do with my time, like help the people who actually want our help.  I hope I have been able to dispel a few myths and bring a few wandering minds back to reality.  If you want to talk more about a few matters please feel free to send me an email at veosdaskalodos@gmail.com.  

~Veos

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Magick / Re: How does your magickal path explain buddhist rainbow body?
« on: February 23, 2011, 12:57:57 PM »
I am a polymath.  I understand everything esoteric.  

You're an imbecile.  You understand nothing esoteric.  

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Magick / Re: Mastering the Electric and Magnetic Fluids
« on: December 09, 2010, 02:53:00 PM »
Best way to approach mastering the electric and magnetic fluid?  Mastering steps 1-7. 

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Magick / Re: Known female avatars, adepts.
« on: December 02, 2010, 08:20:32 AM »
Having taught a large array of diverse manners of people and seen them grow over the last few years, perhaps a little clarity can be made on this matter by my experience.  This is what Prophecy and I have observed:


1) In the most general sense there are two kinds of people: Men and Woman.
 
    Luckily, this was our easiest observation and thus did not require a great deal of labor or study on our part.  Yet it is important for an effective teacher of the mysteries to keep this in mind.  We have 2 genders of people because they ARE different; psychologically, emotionally, spiritually and physically.  The concept of equality has been blown out of practical proportion to mean "the same".  A woman being "equal" to a man is NOT the same as a woman being the "same" as a man, because the latter is just absurd.  As such, a teacher of these things must eventually learn that men and woman have to be taught and trained differently.  This is not so much the case for the first few years of training, but once the student is ready for initiation then the manner of training generally has to be changed.  Of course some woman are very masculine and some men very feminine and this too must be taken into account by a teacher.  Why do they have to be taught different?  Because they are different.  They respond best to different energies and methods.  A teaching method suitable for women would detriment men, a method suitable for men would detriment women, and a method "pioneered in the highest spirit of civil equality" would detriment both. 

2)  People are more specifically of 7 types: Lunar, Mercurial, Venusian, Solar, Martial (to clarify steve's comment with a quick interlude, "martial" in magic means "pertaining to Mars" and all that it implies), Jovian and Saturnine.

    Ultimately a person's soul partakes of one of these 7 rays, and the manner in which this is done and the proofs for it are outside the scope of these comments and thus I shall delightfully presuppose it to be true for the sake of my goal here in this thread.  Now spiritually speaking only more evolved students are capable of partaking more directly in the essence of their ray, and thus it is easier for a teacher to identify which ray such a student is from (it often does not require clairvoyance at this point but a simple analysis of character), while for the mass of people in the world their original source ray in all its pristine quality has been mixed and muddied with other planetary energies from a multitude of karmic incarnations.  Such a person's ray should be found by clairvoyant investigation on the part of the teacher.  This is important to understand right from the beginning as a teacher of these things, that you should know to which planetary vibration each of your students belongs.  What does this matter?  A quick table should clarify the matter:

Mercurial: such students will respond better along intellectual and philosophical lines.  The more philosophical magics and especially jnana yoga are good for such people.
Venusian: Such students respond better to devotional and artistic means of development.  Bhakti Yoga is especially suitable, though a well trained Venusian woman is a prized high-priestess. 
Martial: Such students will respond better to a more blatantly strict means of teaching and harsher discipline.  They prefer a strict, overbearing teacher and react well to internal martial arts as a compliment to their Sadhana.  Ceremonial magic is almost always welcomed by such people, and they tend to develop their talents along the lines of spiritual warfare, either for good or bad. 
Jovian: Such students respond well to a system of spirituality within the confines of a religion and dogma, and in this they share a common trait with the venusian students as well, though not as devotional.  The "brahmin" class of India describes such people.  They respond well to both yoga and magic, though will welcome ceremonial work over anything else. 
Saturnine: Ascetics by nature, and should be trained along such lines if the teacher's discretion agrees.  Otherwise, Saturnian people are trained more along martial lines with a few adjustments.

Solar and Lunar: generally reserved for high souls in my experience, and both solar and lunar students are very flexible in teaching methods, though solar is more magically inclined and lunar more mystically inclined.

    So this is all good and well to know, but isn't very useful without a few more clarifications.  The first distinction between male and female should be put into practice by the teacher at the very onset of teaching, though it does not come completely into play until the student is ready for initiation.  The second distinction between planetary rays should be kept in mind by the teacher and is best kept a secret at the beginning so that the student does not assume a false personality out of ego.  After the first 4 or 5 years of training then the planetary ray will start to show itself more plainly in the student and the teacher may act accordingly.

   There is one very important note about the planetary distinctions: they are not methods forced upon the student.  It will be observed that though the student may pass through all the planets and spheres in initiations, they will always approach them from a specific angle and learn in a specific manner and they will do this naturally .  How can they do this and be balanced?  Each planet is balanced in and of itself by its zodiac signs and elements.  To reach this balance is actually a higher state than what most call "magickal equilibrium", which is the process of balancing the personality's energies and thus deals with the natal chart and is of a lower nature.  Only those who have transcended the planetary initiations can reach a higher degree of balance. 

    There is a third distinction which I shall quickly mention, for the study of it takes years of practice.  The actual natal chart of the student, being their temporary personality and karma, should be kept in mind by a teacher.  It should also be kept in mind that the planet which dominates their natal chart is oftentimes different than their Planetary Ray, except for in the charts of more evolved souls that have grown closer to their ray through purification, in which case either the Acendant Lord or the AtmaKarakh usually denote the Planetary Ray.

    Hopefully this little discourse has been of some value to all of you and perhaps even cleared up a few matters.  If it is decided that this is something others can benefit from, then perhaps I will put it in the article section for future teachers to use. 

   ~your servant,
                      Fra.Veos         

         

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Magick / Re: Symbols
« on: November 18, 2010, 11:29:26 AM »
Diverse entities can be evoked these include but are not limited to
Mahatma, Chohans, Avatars, Godhead, Archangels, Angels, Elementals,Spirits.

Most will appear when invited with great love to teach , heal and lead the magician.

I think most magicians are too humble to presume the Chohans, avatars and mahatmas can take a break from saving humanity to come chat.

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Magick / Re: Magick Class
« on: August 23, 2010, 05:56:21 PM »
Prophecy and I are still holding regular classes.  The next open probationer class is in a few months.  Keep up to date with the website at http://www.thedivinescience.org/

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Magick / Re: Magick and Morality
« on: July 30, 2010, 07:21:22 AM »
That all does sound great. So what I see forming out of this is

1) Leave trails to attract new aspirants
2) Improve the world magically

and, I'm adding this in honor of Searching,

3) Don't tolerate bullshit, as in, approach magic scientifically and embrace the openness of information.

Searching, what I'm envisioning here isn't like the Golden Dawn or I.O.T., but more of a grand attractor which starts its newly found components in a progressive direction.

    So.....that sounds like every other "magic order"/fraternity, including the G.D, O.T.O, S.O.L, A.:.S, BotA, AMORC, HOGD, etc...

That's the point, though! A society with ONE PURPOSE. They don't need to agree past that purpose, and if they don't like each other, they can function independently across whatever ideological line they draw. In my proposed version, the idea would be to elevate magical awareness by simply leaving clues of its existence. It is unnecessary to provide proof, just as it is unnecessary to provide proof to the millions of people that practice the occult currently-- they just found a trail and followed it. I say, make more trails for more followers, and then let them walk and think for themselves.

It's true that 99% of everything is rehash... but the more minds left to work at it, the more likelihood there is of the next A. O. Spare, the next Crowley, the next Bardon, etc.  Each local cabal wouldn't have many rules beyond the overarching purpose and to ensure the world's understanding that the individual cabal cannot truly represent the Cabal entire, especially since the idea is for the Cabal entire to be anonymous and formless.

   A trail without a set path isn't a trail.  A.O Spare, Crowley, and Bardon followed strict, preset systems of evolution and they are largely the product of their teachers.  What you are proposing actually seems more like a very confused version of the Theosophical Society, but without any direction.  I'm not shooting your experiment down.  I care very little what you would do with your free time.  I am simply encouraging you to think a little more logically and less idealistically.  Establishing a social club is one thing, and you can do as you please.  But if any sort of spiritual establishment is made that goes beyond just a simple club and verges on becoming an initiatory society which confers power and knowledge, then it is a much more serious matter which requires the explicit consent of the Masters in order to have any real success.

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Magick / Re: Testing the IIH
« on: July 06, 2010, 07:54:45 PM »
Sorry, but drastic life situations have appeared, and I'll have to bail on this.  :(

If I had a nickel.........

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Magick / Re: Keeping Personal Mudra a Secret
« on: February 04, 2010, 09:51:47 AM »
I will presume that the bus was a school bus, which puts you at about 18 years old max, probably younger as you would have a car in most cases by that age.  Now I am not pointing this out to criticize, especially since a large number of Veritas members are 15-18 years old.  I point this out because that means the person looking at you was probably 15 or 16.  The chances of a random 15 year old on a bus knowing not only that you were meditating but being able to actually influence you with psychic energy is pretty slim.  Now if you were on a public bus and she was 30 years old or something, then the chances could be a little better but still pretty slim.  Most likely she was just wondering what the hell you were doing, or she may be sensitive and subconsciously her attention was brought to the magnetism of yor mudra.  Either way, there is a MUCH higher chance that you are being paranoid than there is that she actually did anything or that your mudra has changed because someone saw it. 

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Spirituality / Re: Magick and Organized Religion
« on: January 22, 2010, 10:04:09 AM »
Most religions acknowledge scripturally the existence of angels, demons, nature spirits, etc.  How the modern form of a religion has painted its "magical" founders is usually the result of dogma that developed much later after the Founder died.  By strict definition Zoroaster, Jesus, Moses, Serapis, etc...all were magicians in that they could manifest their Will on a very powerful level that most call supernatural or miraculous.  Whether or not they dressed up and drew circles on the ground is rather irrelevant.   The best I can do to personally try to understand how they did what they did is to look to the great Magicians and Yogis of today and see how they accomplish the same miracles.  I see little difference superficially between a Yogi in India who says he is God and then walks on water and heals many and a Yogi in ancient Judea who says he is God and walks on Water and heals many.  The only difference esoterically between the two is their karmic dispensation and the Divine missions they incarnated to fulfill.  Likewise if Franz Bardon makes a few quick finger gestures and words and clears a town of a thunderstorm, I have very little reason to believe Jesus did anything else to clear the storm over the Sea, except for maybe having done it on a higher level.  But the same things had to happen for the storm to clear, the same universal laws had to be followed even if God came down and cleared the storm.  Likewise, is it so easy to presume that a "holy man" is anything more divine than a yogi or magician?  Are only religious people bound by God and his Laws, while magicians and yogis somehow usurp his power?  No.  God could stop a magician from doing his miracles just as readily as he could allow a holy man to do them in faith, and vice versa.  The same permissions have to be granted to the magician and yogi as they do a faith healer or prophet.  The only difference is knowledge, and thus accuracy and power.  A yogi can cast a demon out very quickly, with no rituals or prayers and support groups.  A simple clap of the hand and the air is cleared.  It is only because he understands his adversary more. 

    Now a quick correction on something said earlier: Religion tends to come from magic, and not the other way around.  Most religious symbolism is a means for the sages of Old to try to communicate to the uninitiated in a harmless way how the universe works and came to be.  The teachings of Moses, Zoroaster, Hermes, Serapis, Buddha, Vashishta, Vyasadeva, Adi Shankara, etc...are more akin to adults trying to teach kids about Life using lots of pictures.

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Magick / Re: Ordo Aurum Solis
« on: January 05, 2010, 06:09:13 PM »
They are a completely contacted magical order with an authentic lineage and a true grandmaster.  I am not a member of the Aurum Solis, but do know a great deal of their techniques and their grandmaster.  Very refreshing magical school that doesn't just copy the Golden Dawn like every other Order out there.

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Main Hall / Re: Secret Societies
« on: December 31, 2009, 06:37:46 AM »
what do you need to know?  (asks a member of several secret societies)

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Magick / Re: I'll Be Gone For A While
« on: July 26, 2009, 08:07:14 PM »
Prophecy and I have both been to Temescal Park and meditated there.  We spent some time there last year with Siddhanath as well. 

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Magick / Re: Having problems working magick without "fronting"
« on: July 24, 2009, 06:23:06 PM »
hmm.   "Soulbounding" sounds like something no magician should ever want to do...  Gonna cause alot of reincarnation, and funky karma, and dependence and possibly psychological problems.   Doesn't seem like it can help in any way or shape. 

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Other / Re: does clairvoyance run in the family?
« on: July 21, 2009, 11:16:24 AM »
Clairvoyance does occasionally run in the family.

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