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Magick / Re: Goetia Strangeness
« on: August 24, 2008, 03:53:36 AM »
I am suprisingly quite familar with Vassago, TheThing summoned him more than any other enity.
Let me stress this,


Vassago makes his impression felt, don't worry about it.

  Especially if you are not following Solomon's instructions to the letter.  The fact that you are using a mirror lends the idea that you are not following solomon's instructions.

Following Solomon's instructions to the letter is nigh on impossible for a teenage boy, and they are no guarantee of success. Veos, you must have had an experience of following Solomon's instructions to letter and getting nothing? The first few times I got nothing, and was only successful when I became more developed as a magician and I ironically then had success with stripped down rituals. I simply saying that how advanced a magician is far out weighed his closeness to the instructions as an indicator for success.

The Cafeteria / Re: Proposal for a new board.
« on: August 18, 2008, 03:42:34 AM »
If there was rad ki board, it would be entertaining to say the least.

Magick / Re: Yoga and magick
« on: August 18, 2008, 03:34:45 AM »
This is why Aleister Crowley touted Magick as the yoga of the west more suited to the average personality and symbolic understanding of westerners. There are exceptions however, but this generalization is even more potent in this day and age.

I haven't noticed anyone who is farther along in magic still having an average personality or understanding of symbols. So I tend to think that these average personalities change, and I know the symbolical understanding changes from my own experience.

Generalizations tend not to work well with humans.......that whole "power to chose" thing gets in the way.

Understanding of symbols has everything to do with culture, masturbating with a crucifix would have more effect on someone from a strict catholic upbringing than on someone who had no knowledge of Christianity.

I'll admit it Mindwarp kind of owned me there, raja yoga is a good compliment to magic but not necessary for all mystics. I was going from a mystic's point of view not a ceremonial magician, which may have been unwise considering the thread.

Magick / Re: Does anyone know about the Goeita in depth?
« on: August 17, 2008, 12:55:20 PM »

The particular book, from what I can tell, that you would be interested in studying concerning goetic magic, is The Lesser Key of Solomon.

Grimores are only considered to be useful to advanced magicians who understand the symbolism and methods of summoning; recommending one to beginning aspirant as a way to learn ceremonial magic is just silly.

Magick / Re: Yoga and magick
« on: August 17, 2008, 11:45:58 AM »
I was of the understanding that a large purpose of Hatha Yoga is to prepare an adequate level of patience and a mind prepared for the more difficult practices in Raja Yoga. AKA you wouldn't just jump into Raja yoga, nor be able to as far as I know, with out doing some sort of Hatha Yoga in preparation.

Raja yoga means Royal yoga and is associated with the yoga of Patanjali who promulgated the Yoga Sutras, here he lists the eightfold path or the eight limbs of yoga. So if you are following Pantanjali's school of thought then Hatha yoga is merely a stage of Raja yoga.  The Asanas and Pranayama in Raja Yoga were what the Hindu Yogis used to physically train their body for long periods of meditation. This practise is called shatkarma. But Raja yoga is only one of the classic yogas, the others being Karma yoga, Bhakti yoga, Jnana Yoga outlined in Bhagavad Gita. There are many more modern yoga's as well.

Also I don't think being Western has very much importance in the matter, that is a mindset you give yourself, not an unchangeable fact of your nature.

I don't want to make generalizations but as westerner you are not probably do not possess incredibly good at concentration or discipline compared to someone who was raised in India, this may sound racist to someone incredibly politically correct but any yoga teacher would most likely confirm it. This is why Aleister Crowley touted Magick as the yoga of the west more suited to the average personality and symbolic understanding of westerners. There are exceptions however, but this generalization is even more potent in this day and age.

If a person can't develop the patience or willpower to practice raja yoga, then they shouldn't be anywhere near magic. That sort of patience has to be developed and it is necessary to any meaningful spiritual progression.

There are many ways to gain patience and willpower. Raja yoga is for spiritual development, it is not a functional tool to achieve willpower, although it is requirement of success in raja yoga and a side effect of good practice. You should seek a yoga that suits your strengths, Jnana yoga for the intellectual for example, the average westerner hanging there hopes on raja yoga for self realization is like Shakespeare perusing golf to achieve greatness, it could happen but it is more doubtful.
Of course will power is importance to spiritual achievement but that doesnít mean that everyone should practice raja yoga thatís faulty logic, only superficially related to the discussion, and pedantic.

  To answer the question: yes the SRF is still around and quite large, and yes I practice Kriya Yoga and will easily give testimony as to the authenticity of all the hype it receives.  In my own oppinion, it is the most powerful form of Yoga, or rather it is the root source of all yoga.

Bhakti yoga is generally considered by Hindu's to be the easiest of the four general paths to liberation or moksha (the others being Karma, Raja and Jnana Yoga), and especially so within the current age of Kali yuga. (Hindu cycle of time)

  Start with Hatha Yoga, then move to Raja Yoga.  The reason why Yoga helps so much is because it provides the expansion of consciousness which magick doesn't, and which in turn makes magick more effective.

   I am pretty sure that magic does provide expansion of consciousness at least from a thelemic point of view.

...I thought you had died The Thing.........if this is your friend who told us The Thing had passed away, it would be much less confusing if you made a new account >.>

I am awaiting permission from an Admin.

Magick / Re: Does anyone know about the Goeita in depth?
« on: August 17, 2008, 08:05:21 AM »
Watch out for applications, it is a magic course for beginners held at Veritas and it's taken Prophecy who is a genius.

Main Hall / Personality Type
« on: August 17, 2008, 06:30:57 AM »
Has any body did any perssonality tests? I've gotten ENTP in all of them. I think it would be cool if we all posted our results.
I think that's the best one.

risk taker, easy going, outgoing, social, open, rule breaker, thrill seeker, life of the party, comfortable in unfamiliar situations, appreciates strangeness, disorganized, adventurous, talented at presentation, aggressive, attention seeking, experience junky, insensitive, adaptable, not easily offended, messy, carefree, dangerous, fearless, careless, emotionally stable, spontaneous, improviser, always joking, player, wild and crazy, dominant, acts without thinking, not into organized religion, pro-weed legalization

Extraversion    ||||||||||||||||    70%
Stability    ||||||||||||||||||||    86%
Orderliness    ||||    14%
Accommodation    ||||||||||||    46%
Interdependence    ||||||    23%
Intellectual    ||||||||||||||||||    78%
Mystical    ||||||||||||||||||||    90%
Artistic    ||||||||||||||||||||    90%
Religious    |    5%
Hedonism    ||||||||||||||||||||||    100%
Materialism    ||||||||||||||||    70%
Narcissism    ||||||||||||||||||||    83%
Adventurousness    ||||||||||||||    56%
Work ethic    ||||||||||    36%
Humanitarian    ||||||||||||||||||||    90%
Conflict seeking    ||||||||||||    43%
Need to dominate    ||||||||||||||||||    76%
Romantic    ||||||||||    36%
Avoidant    ||||||||||||||||    70%
Anti-authority    ||||||||||||||||||    76%
Wealth    ||||||||||||||||||    76%
Dependency    ||||||||||||||||    63%
Change averse    ||||||    23%
Cautiousness    ||||||    23%
Individuality    ||||||||||||||||||    76%
Sexuality    ||||||||||||||||||||    83%
Peter pan complex    ||||    16%
Family drive    | 5%
Physical Activity    ||||||||||||||||||    76%
Histrionic    ||||||||||||    50%
Paranoia    ||||||||||||||    56%
Vanity    ||||||||||||||||    63%
Honor    ||||||||||    36%
Thriftiness    ||||||||||||||    56%

Magick / Re: Yoga and magick
« on: August 17, 2008, 05:58:48 AM »
  Start with Hatha Yoga, then move to Raja Yoga.  The reason why Yoga helps so much is because it provides the expansion of consciousness which magick doesn't, and which in turn makes magick more effective.  Hatha yoga will cleanse the physical and astral body of impurities and teach you to still the mind.  Raja yoga will expand the consciousness.  If you are initiated into the Kriya Yoga of Yogananda, then that is the best compliment to magick. 

Though I agree with starting with Hatha yoga, but many types of yoga 'expand the consciousness' it is tenet of yoga literature that people find a style that suits there natural ability. Most western young men so not have the patience or concentration to become accomplished in Raja yoga, those that have Crowley for example, were noted for there ability to concentrate single mindedly. I have a feeling that perhaps Veos may be one of the rare western individuals suited for Raja yoga, and perhaps should not recommending it to others. Besides unlike Hatha Yoga there are few people who teach Raja Yoga in the west. I personally have not been able to find one anywhere near north London.

Magick / Re: Does anyone know about the Goeita in depth?
« on: August 17, 2008, 05:39:27 AM »
oh no, the very reason i ask is to expand my knoweldge of magick as a whole. i ididn't explain enough. no, i know not to box myself in with
labels though i do appreciate your wisdom on the matter. and i did not know much about the  goetia in general, i assumed (my first mistake) that because you summon
demons, that it was a darker tool in the hands of the magician. But i guess it all depends on how you use it.
but what i wanted to know is if someone could give me an indepth understanding of the goetia (the history of it, the demons in it, and so on...)

Goetia relatively advanced form of magic so you should have mastered the basics before you trying it. I'm really not trying to be critical, but it would be similar to making a child learn algebra before he can count. Learn the basics of magic first then move in to summoning. Otherwise you will at best find imaginary success or at worst evoke forces you may find damaging. Find Prophecyís articles and study them, or apply for the magic course. Then and only then you may achieve successful results with Goetia. If you really must learn about it just read the Wikipedia page, as the web is filled with fluff and armchair magicians a unbiased academic report may be most useful.

It is common for beginning summonerís to work with elementals first. As they as easy to work with and summon. Many experienced magicians at this site donít particularly like the Goetia and work with angels, or different entities. Why are you so interested in this small segment of resources available?

Hello and Goodbye / Re: TheThing died last week
« on: March 21, 2008, 01:21:56 PM »
Understandably?  Understandably, is like when you dont want someone finding and killing you, or stealing your bank account.

Guys this is a prank.

Why would I joke about something like this? Do you think having your best friend die is funny? The thing had a sense of humour this isn't even funny.

Hello and Goodbye / Re: TheThing died last week
« on: March 20, 2008, 01:52:21 PM »
What was his real name, so we could read the obituary?

Understandably he was never to keen on people on the inetnet knowing who he was in real life so I'll ahve to decline.

Hello and Goodbye / TheThing died last week
« on: March 18, 2008, 10:29:55 AM »
This is the TheThing's flat mate I've noticed he visited this site a lot and I've decided to inform you that he sadly died last week. His friends and family are grief stricken and I wanted to inform you, he held many of people here in very, very high regard. He never took his own life seriously as 'the occult' and 'the great work' and died aged 24, he had an optimistic, childlike nature that probably caused his death; he let unsavory characters manipulate him. In the last weeks of his life he was withdraw and depressed, he had fell in with the wrong crowd and died of drug overdose in a east London flat, far away from his home of Belfast.
 In loving memory, TheThing.

Library Board / Re: Lon Milo DuQuette
« on: December 04, 2007, 12:20:35 PM »
Yes he should be, he's a wonderful writer and magician. But there is the small matter of
COPYRIGHT you know the LAW. We just aren't allowed to upload his books.

Hello and Goodbye / Re: Why I'm not around anymore.
« on: November 19, 2007, 08:29:31 AM »
I would be in same boat. My life is more fun than in high school but I've just got a lot less time to fritter away. :biggrin:
What are you doing with your life rafnul are you still training for a priesthood?

Hello and Goodbye / Why I'm not around anymore.
« on: October 10, 2007, 10:48:56 AM »
 Kids enjoy your teenage years and all your spare time, because apart from the fact your mentally unstable and emotionally retarded and school work you have it easy.
If any of you know me than you may have realized I kinda lost interest in Veritas lately. Well I'm living in England at the moment my flat doesn't even have the internet and I have little or no spare time, so I have precious little time to go on surfing except back home on or at a internet cafe. On the Occult side of things I've been getting in thelema a lot more recently and my yoga has improved.
  This is just if anyone cares. :biggrin:

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