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Technical Support / Re: Post formatting problem
« on: June 18, 2018, 11:36:41 PM »
If you are pressing it twice, then we are doing the same thing.

What browser do you use?

Technical Support / Re: Post formatting problem
« on: June 18, 2018, 11:10:04 PM »
You mean,

Like this?

I just press the enter button twice.
Pressing it once moves it to the line directly underneath, then pressing it again leaves an empty line between my last sentence and the new one.
Is that how you are doing it?

Magick / Re: Question about IIH steps
« on: June 11, 2018, 07:11:44 PM »
I find that the IIH can, as long as one does not over-think it, can be undertaken without a teacher - in fact that was partially Bardon's point of creating the IIH.
Of course teachers and commentaries can help you over bumps on the road,  or de-mystify some of the exercises, but whatever you do, trust Bardon's word, and follow his instructions to the letter.
I had a -very- bumpy road with the IIH, and part of it was caused by getting misguided ideas from commentaries and discussions.
In the end, all my problems were solved by forgetting most of what I had gotten from others, and following his instructions exactly as they are written(though  I also had my own problem of over thinking and complicating things, which I got over eventually).

But don't get the wrong idea, it's ok to ask others questions and read commentaries, but be careful who you get it from, and above all, never disregard his instructions.

For example, Rawn's commentary from his "bardon companion" I find to be quite trustworthy and has definitely helped me in some areas. And I've also gotten some useful advice from others who are experienced with the system.
So, seeking outside help is certainly not always a bad thing.

Indeed there are many trustworthy sources on this site itself.
Just be careful is all I'm saying, so as not to end up wasting valuable time like I once did :P

"Time flows like water, slipping through our fingers never to return"

Magick / Re: Question about IIH steps
« on: June 11, 2018, 06:19:36 PM »
I would like to point out, however, that sometimes there are multiple exercises in a single division. In these situations, you are to complete the first, before the next, and so on(unless said otherwise).
For example you will see three exercises in the first division of the first step: thought control, thought discipline, and thought mastery. These are to be practiced progressively - first thought control, then thought discipline, then thought mastery.

Magick / Re: Question about IIH steps
« on: June 11, 2018, 06:14:30 PM »
Ah, just the question for me, as I had once asked the very same question to a wise fellow when I was still trying to figure out the IIH.

Each "Step" Is to be taken as a whole.
A common theme which you will find in the IIH is -balance-, and its necessity in development:
These divisions you find - "spirit", "soul", "body" - are merely ways of organizing the practices to be undertaken in each step.
It is meant to be a balanced approach to development, by considering the different levels of existence we live in simultaneously, and developing each one all together, so that no level is neglected.

If you were to take each division singularly instead of as a whole, than you would waste much time and may even hinder your development in some places.

So, definitely take it as whole :P

Main Hall / Re: Illuminati Philosophy vs. Illuminati Philosophy
« on: May 30, 2018, 08:54:38 PM »
Illuminati? Varying groups within it?

I usually avoid diving into any sort of conspiracy topics, but I'm a bit curious, what do you know of such things?

Don't get me wrong, I'm certain there are occult groups out there, and all sorts of shady organizations(I myself know a bit about one often referred to as "Lodge 99"), but my problem with the Illuminati is that it is too popular a topic, and there ends up being countless people throwing out countless theories, much of which is nonsense, and it is much too difficult to sort what is garbage and what is legitimate.

Though I'm not sure you'll get the information that you're looking for in this place, I'm curious what you know about this topic yourself.

Hello and Goodbye / Re: What's up?
« on: May 26, 2018, 07:59:41 PM »
Hello there  :cool:

especially as I keep so hush hush about it in my mundane life.
Annoying isn't it? I've been involved with these subjects long enough to really come to despise how secretive one has to be. Unfortunately, I fear this will only get worse with time, until something "interesting" happens which will make the people question their understanding and perceptions, and begin re-exploring esoteric or alternative ideas.
I suppose this is one of the reasons why occult lodges are beneficial, though I personally do not care for them.

I do not look at it as the difference between spiritual and physical, spiritual and scientific etc... I view it all as one

I have a similar view,  where I view "science"as we know it, is merely the science of the physical sphere of the universe, while "magic" is the science of the divine/esoteric sphere of the universe.

But anyways, welcome. This place is not quite as active as it once was, however,  you can always count on feedback from me.

Spirituality / Re: New to Hellenism
« on: May 01, 2018, 11:12:03 PM »
Ah you noticed his alter ago, Thoth, was wondering if you would catch that. Thoth is often associated as a god of knowledge, both divine and secular, which is why I said Hermes is quite relevant to your pursuit of magic.
Personally, out of the Egyptian pantheon, I like Set and Apophis.
And out of the Greek pantheon, I resonate with Erebus.
Of course these are just passing admirations - I do not practice any sort of relationship with any deities except the one called Allah, God, or whatever you wish to call it.

Awww my condolences to you for your situation. Do you not have a nightstand or drawer near your bed (you have a bed right? )? That would be great.
If nothing else, then just use your bed. All your activities regarding this matter should be done on your bed. Even if you must just keep everything underneath it when not in use.
One reason that I insist on establishing a center for this practice, isn't necessarily because it is absolutely necessary, but because it is beneficial in many ways.
1. Places of worship accumulate power. The rooms used for worship in churches are loaded with vital power, for example, and those who pray in these areas will often see better results by the sheer presence of such power, regardless of whether the deity actually does anything. Does that make sense?
So by confining your worship to a single space, you allow that power to accumulate, instead of being thrown around everywhere.

2. Practicing at an altar helps get you into a spiritual mindset.
It works like a subconscious trigger - when you approach the altar, your mind knows that it's going to be performing spiritual activities, so it reacts accordingly. Kind of like how people get nervous when they step into a doctors office, you are just taking advantage of how the environment affects you.

3. I'm pretty sure that having an altar helps spread the influence of the god it is dedicated to, serving as a conduit for their power, and intensifying their presence. This is partly why people often have spiritual experiences in places of religious practice.

This isn't necessarily about "doing it the right way", or not pissing off Hermes, or some kind of spirit-etiquette.
Just a matter of practicality.

So whether its a tree in the middle of the woods, an altar in someone's home, or simply someone's bed, what matters is the practices done in said area.
Things like statues, symbols, etc. are auxiliary ways of establishing the place for whatever god, and further reinforcing their influence in said area - Like the same way people draw the symbols of the elements on their wands, or use the symbols of demons to summon them. It's all about using these symbols to attract the power or presence of whatever the symbol represents. I think it is often referred to today as "sympathetic magic".
But it isn't -absolutely- necessary, worship on its own is quite effective in attracting the influence of whatever god.
I've actually heard of some interesting things regarding keeping things related to spirits near their bed.
I know Demonolators sometimes keep amulets or sigils of their chosen demon underneath their pillows, and they would be visited by said demon in their dreams. At least, that's what I've heard :P

do you think Hermes would mind if the entire area isn't dedicated to him?

Like I've pointed out, it is mostly about the practices being done in the area, rather than the literal area itself. I'd just refrain from putting it somewhere outright disrespectful or doing anything unsavory in whatever area it is(like you certainly wouldn't want to put in altar on a toilet :P ).

Now, it takes time to build relationships with deities, so in the beginning, he is unlikely to know that you even exist  :biggrin:
However, deities eventually take notice of those who show serious devotion. Be patient, be sincere.
But like I said before, one doesn't necessarily have to have direct contact or literal communication with a spirit to benefit from these kinds of practices. One important aspect of these kind of practices is harmonizing and connecting with the spirit in a passive way. Why do you think Priests and Priestesses had any sort of power? Because their particular god descended from the heavens, and gave them that power literally? Because said god follows them around like a puppy and does as they command?
Not usually.
They are just connected enough with whatever spirit to call upon it's power on their own.
Another important factor I'd also like to point out, is that these practices exercise and develop your own spirit, which in turn increases your own spiritual authority, which is another reason why such priests and priestesses acquire power.

Also, that's where I initially messed up on my journey, I kept asking for his help (ex. wealth) and not really doing much in return.

One thing to note about spirits like Hermes/Thoth, is that they are quite "celestial" in nature. Meaning, like Angels, they are more likely to support you in ways that encourage true spiritual development. They will often ignore requests involving carnal desires, and instead use such things as a lesson for you.
Demons are the ones who are more likely to support such carnal desires.
Poverty is humbling, and character-building, so it is unlikely you will get any good-intentioned spirit to relieve you of it.
In the long run, it will help your spiritual growth.
Trust me, I have been both poor and homeless :P

I'll look into Hermetics, how should I take it as far as the Judeo-Christian approach, simply universally as you said?

Bardon does a good job of staying relatively neutral in his books, it's just very celestial-oriented(a lot of preaching about morality). To be honest, I think it was more of a problem for me than it will be for you. His teaching of magic is very solid though, and I would vouch for 100% of everything he teaches within that book.
The judeo-christian bias will be more apparent if you were to look around here on the internet, or if you were to study things from the Golden Dawn or whatever. Many hermeticists also practice the judeo-christian religions, so it is no coincedence.

Don't get the wrong idea, hermetic magic is perfectly compatible with your hellenism, it's just not usually taught or emphasized that way, and if you stick to Bardon's material, you will avoid the bias for the most part. But if you ever run into things that you need help understanding or reconciling, let me know.

What do you specialize in, if you don't mind my asking?

Darkness, as my username suggests. Not just the literal darkness, but the spiritual force itself, which in turn, means the negative("infernal") polarity of the universe. You will better understand what I mean if you read Bardon's book. When you read it, it will be referred to as the Negative or Passive polarity in some sections, and in the "Light" section of the Theory chapter, it will be referred to as Darkness.

Spirituality / Re: New to Hellenism
« on: May 01, 2018, 01:11:12 PM »
You mention establishing relationships with other gods - do you have a another god in particular that you're interested in?
Having him literally establish relationships with other gods would likely require you summoning him first, and I'd also point out that though he is a messenger, he cannot force other gods to have a relationship with you. The best thing to do for that is to devote yourself to that god the same way you did with Hermes.
But still, he can indeed help you in those matters.

About the altar - it doesn't necessarily have to be a literal altar. Do you have a desk or something which you can keep things related to him in?
And you don't necessarily have to go all-out with decorations or anything.
Do you think you could get away with just a small statue? And perhaps a necklace? With the necklace you would keep it at the "inconspicuous" altar, so that it "soaks" in the presence of Hermes since the altar serves as a physical conduit for him and his influence, and also so that it soaks in the power of worship(worship generates power on its own, which is one reason why gods appreciate it). Then you would take it with you whenever you go places, as a way of taking him and his influence with you.

I know that libations, votive offerings, and animal sacrifices were historical methods of worship used for the Greek gods, and though I know you probably won't wish to perform animal sacrifices, you should read about the other two.
Prayer would be good too. Though don't just use prayer as a way of constantly asking for favors. These aren't wish granting Genies :P
Call upon his guidance and influence instead.
I'd recommend trying to find information on how they use to pray to the Greek gods too.

Now since you seem to want to be quite involved with the gods, magic indeed will be important to you. And Hermes is a god that is actually quite relevant in that matter, he certainly can guide and support your endeavor into magic.
Learning about invocations and evocations will be relevant to your pursuit of the gods, particularly invocation, since evocation requires quite weighty rituals, and it seems that you aren't in an environment which would support you trying to perform evocation rituals. Evocation also requires some spiritual authority and magical skills which you do not have yet.
You may be able to find invocations for the Greek gods online from modern Hellenists. Invocation is similar to prayer, if you are not familiar with it.

Now you seem to want to establish communication with the gods, but unfortunately that is an area I'm not very familiar with. The only way I know of to establish literal communication with a god, is through evocation.
However, you may wish to look into Divination, particularly kinds that are used to communicate with spirits, like the pendulum I think. I know nothing about these things though, so I can't give you anymore information about it for the moment

Since it seems you are interested about magic for its own as well, I would recommend downloading or buying Initiation into Hermetics by Franz Bardon. If you look around on this site, you will see this book recommended often, and not without reason.
You should also look around the articles on this website.
However, Bardon's book and hermetic magic as it's often taught has a quite judeo-christian bias, despite Hermetics being a system that is supposed to be "universal", and I'm just giving you a heads up about that. If you need help processing Bardon's book, or anything else, you can ask me.

Spirituality / Re: New to Hellenism
« on: April 30, 2018, 10:16:25 PM »
Hello there.

Too be honest, my experience with this kind of thing is limited, I've always been very self centered and too conceited to imagine ever devoting myself to a god.

However - that is exactly what you need to do if you wish to form a connection to Hermes.
One tool that will be important here which you are familiar with, is meditation.
Another thing which I believe should be important to you, is an altar.
Create an altar dedicated to him,  filled with things that represent him - symbols, art/visual depictions etc.
Here, you may worship him, meditate on him, study about him. Devotion is a way of getting your spirit to "hone in" on what you seek.
For me, instead of a god, my target was the Darkness, but the means to achieve my goals were essentially the same, now that I think about it.
I meditated on it, "worshiped" it indirectly through my infatuation, engaged in dark activities that brought me closer to it - and you should do the same kind of thing for Hermes. Worship him, meditate on his characters and principles, study him, and take in principles of his that you wish to see in yourself.

One thing you should understand, is that these gods aren't just these beings that people worship. On the Mental Sphere, they are a collection of principles, ideas, etc., and on the celestial sphere, they are a collection of intelligent energies. Your spirit too exists on those spheres, and you can form a connection - or "harmonize" with him on those levels.
So, even if you aren't directly speaking with him face to face, or he isn't literally following you around like a puppy, that doesn't mean you can't connect with him, or receive his influence.
This kind of thing is exactly what many don't understand, and why many give up quickly on this sort of thing. They worship some god for awhile, and then get mad when he doesn't pop up and start granting their wishes like a genie.

Since you said you are fairly new to esoteric practices, I think what I have mentioned is a good place to start.

However I would also recommend training in magic, so that you can better understand what you are doing, and so you can eventually summon him and have a more direct relationship.
And I'd also recommend trying to see if you can find information on historical methods of worship of the Greek gods, especially if you can find god-specific practices for Hermes. Not necessarily because that is the "only right way" to worship, but just because it would be nice for you to know you are using a method that once was actually used to worship him. It will also give you a concrete method for you to use.

I'm curious though, what are your goals with this?

Magick / Re: Who is Practicing the IIH?
« on: April 29, 2018, 02:54:57 PM »
If you are reading the IIH, you may also wish to read Bardon's Practice of Magical Evocation. Though it isn't something you should practice until you are well advanced in the IIH, there is a lot information in there that you may find interesting.
There is also his Questions and Answers book, which is extremely relevant if you are practicing the IIH.

Beyond Bardon though, Agrippa's Three Books of Occult Philosophy I think could be relevant to you.

Many of the magic articles on this website are also very relevant to hermetics, unless you have already read them.

My first question is, why are you feeling surges of negative energies in the first place?
I may be wrong, but that doesn't seem normal. I don't see why that should be happening to you, unless you are being attacked, or perhaps your residence is particularly afflicted with negative energies. I understand that to some degree that people accumulate remnant negative energies from daily life, but it's negligible from what I understand, usually not enough to cause -serious- problems.
But you mention it comes from within, which adds an interesting twist to this question. Are you sure you aren't just becoming aware of your own negative energies during meditation? Are you sure it's not just the normal activity of your own spirit?
There are spirits of all kinds, but they all can be examined in terms of polarity: those that are negative are often called demons, those that are positive are often called angels, but humans, by majority, are mixed, or in-between beings. Many esoteric practitioners like to assert that humans are naturally beings of light and goodness - which is simply not true.
So I would advise that you first make sure you are not just becoming aware of your own spiritual activity, rather than you experiencing surges of unwarranted or harmful negative energy.

Now if that's something that you don't like or want, then of course you may change that. However, if there is some natural darkness to your spirit, then simply trying to expel it through meditation will not be enough, because it will always return. In order to get rid of it, you need to change the structure of your spirit, and that means examining your character and changing it.
You mentioned having fights/arguing with others, and that is a good place to start :P
Being combative/argumentative is a negative trait, so unless you desire some negativity in your spirit(which is ok for some people), than you will need to adjust your character. And if you seek to completely purge yourself of negativity, than you will need to examine your character in it's entirety, and make changes accordingly.
But again, you only need to do this if you do not wish to have any dark/negative activity in your spiritual composition. However even if you don't mind some negative composition, I would suggest practicing self control and exercising mastery over any negative traits you have, to put yourself in control over your emotions and character, rather than -you- being controlled by -them-. Make sense? :P

BUT - if you think these surges of negative energy do not belong to your natural composition and are problematic, than I will give you some other advice.

Here, I will describe a simple method of drawing out negative energies that is quite common amongst western magicians, and solves your concern of the negative energy lingering around and causing other problems.
The "Water" element is a naturally magnetic force that is very useful in drawing things out. And this is why water is often used in cleansing and purifying rituals(like baptism for example).
But for you, you only need a sink with which to wash your hands.
Now, all you do is simply wash your hands, but while doing so, concentrate intensely and imagine that the water is not only cleansing your hands, but drawing the negative energies from your body as well. Imagine that all this negative energy is being drawn with the water and runs off with it.
Now, this -MUST-  be done with cold water. Water loses its attractive power when it is warm.

With this method, the negative energy goes away with the water, so you need not fear it lingering around causing trouble.
*if you do not feel like a hand wash is enough, you may also perform this method with a shower or bath

The same thing happens when out of nowhere I feel a "dark omen", or a dark odic force, like "there is something wrong". Later, something bad always happens (it's random. It can be a car problem, something in my house breaks, I have a fight with someone, etc).

Now if this is true, you may simply be experiencing some intuition/enhanced perception. If you are new to spiritual practices, than you may be experiencing some natural abilities beginning to show themselves - Intuition and expanded perception being a very common ability that shows up.
Of course, also make sure that it isn't just your mind connecting unrelated events.
Ask yourself, how often are you correct about these feelings? Are you ever wrong? If so how often?
If you are often more wrong then you are right, than perhaps its just in your head. However, if you are right far more than wrong, perhaps you are experiencing some intuition.

I think we have a hard time dealing with the chaotic nature of the universe. But, is the universe really chaotic, or is everything causality?

I, and many other magicians, tend to hold a view that the universe, with all its components(light/dark, chaos/order, etc), is perfect. Everything that exists, does so for a reason, nothing is truly wrong or right, nothing exists mistakenly.
Is the universe truly chaotic? That depends what you mean.
The universe, with all its attributes and mechanisms, is a rather perfect system. Chaos, negativity and Darkness, are just as important as Light and positivity. Neither is better than the other, neither is more "correct".

I would say that the universe is balanced for the most part, or perhaps "harmoniously chaotic". Yes, the universe is chaotic in many ways, but that is the way it is supposed to be. But is it not also harmonious and peaceful in many other ways?

But this really depends on what you consider chaos. Chaos, as a principle, belongs to the negative "Earth" Element. It is simply the breakdown of order, the disruption of harmony.  But most people don't mean this when they talk about the "chaos of the universe". So what are you imagining when you say the universe is chaotic? What do you mean when you refer to it?

(I tend to be a bit skeptic, I'm sorry).

That's nothing to be sorry about.
I would even encourage some healthy skepticism. Just make sure it is healthy and reasonable, and not naive and dogmatic :P

Hello and Goodbye / Re: Hi from NY
« on: April 01, 2018, 12:16:48 AM »
Welcome Julio, and also الظلام

Oh, thanks :)

Magick / Re: Exorcism
« on: March 21, 2018, 12:20:34 AM »
Unless you are somewhat already trained in some system of magic, I do not think there is some "exorcism recipe " that someone could throw together for you to use that could work. I could be wrong though, exorcism isn't a particular interest of mine.

If you sincerely believe you have a need for an exorcist, then you should ask a nearby diocese of the Catholic Church, if you have one.
In many places(Ireland for example) each diocese is required to have at least one exorcist trained.

Main Hall / Re: Donations needed to pay for Veritas hosting!
« on: March 17, 2018, 02:06:50 PM »
Our every-two-year hosting bill has come around again for this month.  Thanks to the contributions of several members signing up for referral accounts over the past two years, and a generous donation from Koujiryuu we are very close to the amount of the bill.

I'd just like to take this moment to remind everyone that the following donation link is still active, and that everything donated is applied directly to the hosting bill that keeps this community online and running:

Any amounts donated in excess of the amount needed right now are automatically applied to the next hosting bill, and thus every donation purchases further longevity for this site.  Thanks again to everyone who has contributed so far, and thanks to anyone who clicks the link and donates more.

Is this still the correct donation link?
And how is the bill situation currently?

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