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The Cafeteria / Re: Ultimate Kilik thread
« on: August 16, 2018, 03:27:29 AM »
I'm not a big fan of Alex Jones,  however I do not believe he, or anyone at all, should be censored.
And I think these recent moves by the media and social media platforms really give insight into the corruption and dishonesty of the media. The media, corporations, and the gov't - all corrupt, as well as intertwined.

I have a view of alex similar to what joe rogan has. I believe he is right about some things, however he gets too caught up and gets things wrong too. I do believe he means well, but he's a man who's angry at the sheer amount of corruption,  and I think at times this overwhelms him and clouds his judgement.

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Magick / Re: Thought Control
« on: August 12, 2018, 08:52:53 AM »
Wow, this is starting to look more like a chat room than a thread. :HA!:

Yeah I've started to realize that :biggrin:
I don't want to be smitten by a moderator for getting off topic, so I've sent you a pm instead :P

Just so you both know, we tend to play pretty loose with the whole "on topic" thing here in general. Unless a thread gets wildly out of control or devolves into name calling or some such, it's usually all right. It's mostly up to the OP and the other posters to choose the direction of a thread any way. That's not to say that every topic-specific thread should devolve into just "so what are you up to" or "how was your day?" posts, but we care less about being strictly on topic than perhaps some other forums do. :P

Mods are mostly here to remove spam and make sure people follow the rules: http://vsociety.net/index.php?title=Veritas_rules

Beyond that, we're mostly just happy to see discussion as it doesn't tend to happen as much as it used to.

(But of course feel free to PM each other if that works better for you two.)

Thank you, I'll keep that in mind :biggrin:

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Magick / Re: Thought Control
« on: August 12, 2018, 01:49:18 AM »
Wow, this is starting to look more like a chat room than a thread. :HA!:

Yeah I've started to realize that :biggrin:
I don't want to be smitten by a moderator for getting off topic, so I've sent you a pm instead :P

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Magick / Re: Thought Control
« on: August 11, 2018, 04:12:06 AM »
I'm on my phone, and the quote button is a little box with a text bubble icon, above the emoji bar, but right under the font size drop down menu.
It's on the second row of buttons, towards the end of it. Again, its a square button with a text bubble icon.
See it?

Well its good that you're even aware of your higher self at all. That will make it much easier to merge with.
Honestly I hadn't the slightest concern for the "higher self" or any of what I thought was right hand path rubbish before(despite practicing the IIH), yet somehow, quite literally on accident you could say or without my knowledge, I ended up achieving self realization. Since I had no prior interest in these things, I had no knowledge of what had happened, and a magician ended up having to explain to me what had gone down. :biggrin:
I never imagined achieving such spiritual development before, indeed I actually thought I was blatantly working against those kinds of things. I was as left hand path and negative in character as was possible, yet it still worked out.  :wink:
Anyways with your awareness of your higher self, it shouldn't be too hard for you :P

Wow, what a list you have there. I'm lucky honestly, I never really did the soul mirrors, but of course as I've mentioned that didn't stop me from attaining equipoise and self realization.
If I did write them down though, my mirrors would be entirely black, so don't feel bad about your list :wink:

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Magick / Re: Thought Control
« on: August 10, 2018, 12:43:19 AM »
Honestly, I didn't even notice the spelling till you mentioned it  :biggrin:

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This work is exactly what I'm supposed to be doing at this time in my life, so anything that makes it harder is just a lesson to be learned (although, I may not always like it :wink:).

My my, look at you,  all wise and virtuous. You are far more noble than I ever was when I began the IIH :wink:

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I have a very busy brain and Im a chronic worrier

I don't remember what step the soul mirrors are in, but this right here will definitely be something to put in them :biggrin:

Anyways, your welcome for the help.  :P

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Magick / Re: Though Control
« on: August 07, 2018, 01:27:17 PM »
There is no need to rush, I can always wait.
I'm sorry things are so hectic for you, must make it difficult to practice :biggrin:

I understand wanting to "jump around the playground" after completing the first exercise. I did the same thing.
In Step I, you can get away with it without seriously hindering yourself as long as you continue to practice the exercise you should be on(though I do discourage this jumping around), however you must make sure that before you -seriously- move on to the next exercise, that you meet Bardon's requirements.
You said you can perform the first exercise well - can you do it without any digressions from focus for 10 minutes? That is the standard you must meet before moving on to thought discipline.

And about "thought discipline" to which there are two parts:

The actual exercise part of it is very important for practical magic, it is vital you complete it. To be honest, it is more important than the void meditation of thought mastery.

Now about the other part of it:

The main theme here, is Conscientiousness.
In fact, exercises of awareness and conscientiousness will be something you will constantly run into, even more so in the future steps.
It is entirely expected of you to forget - that's kinda the point :wink:
And it is what Bardon is trying to help get you out of.
Humans are, more often than not, like mindless little ants running about their lives in a sort of "autopilot mode".
Caught up in the affairs of life, they lose themselves unwittingly. They are dominated by their emotions and thoughts, dominated by their habits and routine, without ever really giving things a second thought, or really stopping to make sure they are living by their own conscience and focused will.

That is what this exercise is about. Making sure you are in the driver's seat, making sure you are living your life conscientiously. Making sure you do not forget your own self.
So yes, you will forget at first. But you must keep remembering, until you reach a point where you are always in conscious control, where all of your actions are done with your conscience behind it and with clear intention. It may be exhausting at first, but eventually it will become your normal state, and then you will have reached a true form of individuality, and attain a form of "free will" which others really can't even comprehend, for they do not even know what they're missing.

There's a little secret here, that Bardon keeps hidden. It's part of why the thought control exercises are important, and why the future steps will keep throwing the same theme in your face.
It's all meant to lead you to connect with the Akashic principle within your spirit. Have you gone through the Theory section of the IIH?
If you have, then you know the human spirit is composed of not just the four elements, but the Akashic principle as well. The Akasha is essentially the force of "God", or the force of what could be called the universal consciousness, but it is also the force of your own true conscience, and the development and realization of the Akashic principle within you is one of the primary goals of the IIH.

The thought control exercises are meant to give you the power of self control, especially over your spirit and mind, because thoughts, emotions, habits, essentially everything we do, are all products of the elemental forces within our spirit, and if you are not in control and are being dominated by these things, then it will be difficult for the Akashic principle to become active within you. The Akasha is a subtle force, and you need to "clear the stage" so it can do its thing  :biggrin:

But, if that is too much info or I have confused you, disregard it, and simply heed what I said before mentioning the Akasha. All that matters is you keep practicing and going through the IIH, - what I mentioned will come on its own.

So, keep at those exercises  :wink:

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Magick / Re: Though Control
« on: August 06, 2018, 12:11:49 PM »
It's been a long time since I've worked through the thought control exercises, but I still remember those moments when the imagination would act up and start spitting things out.
However, it only really happened when I was getting tired, or losing awareness.

I think it is called hypnagogic imagery, and it usually occurs when one is slipping from active consciousness to a sleep state.

However, as you might imagine, the purpose of the thought control exercises isn't to fade from awareness or induce any sort of trance, so, no, this is not something to be encouraged.

Quite simply, you are slipping away from active consciousness, which isn't what we want.
Though the thought control exercises seem "passive", you shouldn't be so passive that you are surrendering your will and awareness to to sleep or a trance state.
You should be in full control of your awareness and consciousness during these exercises.

The thought control exercises are meant to separate you from your mind and mental senses, to attain a state of mental autonomy and objectivity - not to fall asleep or daydream  :wink:
Eventually this state of mental sovereignty is meant to become your normal state of mind. All your emotions, thoughts, etc. will be subject to you, rather than you being dominated by them.

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my mind isn't technically "void", but then again, they aren't technically thoughts, either

 I understand the logic here, however, there is an important issue here which isn't exactly made clear by Bardon.
The "thought" control exercises aren't just meant to separate you from your literal thoughts, but rather your mind and its faculties as a whole. This includes the imagination or mental senses, as well as emotions to an extent.
Any products of the imagination are to be treated just like "thoughts", whether they are images, sounds, etc.

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Although, I really don't see how I could, am I somehow supposed to keep those little dream tidbits (if that is, in fact, what they are...) from happening or is this just part of the process

As I've mentioned, this is about you fading from consciousness and getting far too passive.
Your intention here is to clear your mind of distractions and everything but your awareness, not necessarily to "relax" or fall into trance. If you feel yourself slipping from awareness and falling into a dream state, you must fight it and keep yourself fully awake and in charge.

Though the fact that this is happening shows that you are good at separating yourself from the chaos of your conscious mind, you are instead allowing yourself to get seduced by the subconscious/unconsciousness, which we don't want either.  :wink:

I wonder though, the exercise which is being talked about here is the exercise from "thought mastery", often referred to as void meditation. Have you completed the exercises which come before it("thought control", and "thought discipline")?
The exercises in that section("magical schooling of the spirit") are meant to be done in steps - first thought control, then thought discipline, then thought mastery(the void meditation talked about in this thread).
I'm just making sure you are going through the IIH, correctly, that's all :biggrin:

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Magick / Re: Doing IIH and LBRP?
« on: July 27, 2018, 07:21:58 PM »
Even assuming you shouldn't be doing it, the lbrp isn't too heavy a ritual to cause serious problems, I think.
However, I do not see any reason why it would be seriously detrimental to perform the lbrp while beginning the IIH anyways.
I would only suggest abandoning the lbrp if you are infernally inclined, and would like to keep it that way.

My only thought is that it will be interesting to you to see how your development in the IIH affects your ability to perform the lbrp, and increase its effectiveness. :wink:

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Hello and Goodbye / Re: Howdy
« on: July 27, 2018, 02:31:17 PM »
Hello there

The avatar isn't available until after you have posted about 10 or 15 times. Is there anything else you are having problems with?

Anyways, good luck on your path :)

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Body Energy Arts / Re: can you please help or provide guidance
« on: July 21, 2018, 01:19:28 PM »
Doctors can't find anything? That's unfortunate.

You mention grounding, but have you tried expelling the energy instead?

And are you familiar with void meditation? That can help you reduce your stress.

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Body Energy Arts / Re: can you please help or provide guidance
« on: July 20, 2018, 02:39:52 PM »
Wow, that seems intense.

Before anything else however, I'm curious, have you seen a doctor?
I would highly encourage you to see a doctor soon.
I say this not because I disbelieve your story, but because it is possible that your spiritual activities may have caused physical damage or the development of physical ailments which underlies your symptoms.
The physical and spiritual bodies are distinct but interconnected, so do not rule out physical causes for your issue just because they were instigated by spiritual activities.
The fact that even after so much time has passed you are still experiencing symptoms makes me think that you've managed to damage not only your spiritual body but your physical body as well.

What practices are you still doing?
You mention meditation, what kinds?
How do they affect your problems?

I would definitely cease any pranayama for a good period of time, and see how that affects your issues. I am not very familiar with that practice, but I have heard that it can be quite dangerous if you practice incorrectly.

You mention the energetic issue has gone away, which to me seems to mean that your astral body has returned to a somewhat natural state. However many of the issues you say persist are quite physical in nature, which is another reason I believe you have sustained physical damage.

I would highly recommend learning to expel energy, rather than just moving it around. Are you a familiar with western magic practice, or perhaps the work of Franz Bardon? There is a common practice in hermetic magic that should be quite easy for you to pick up, as it is probably quite similar to your pranayama practices. I'm referring to what's called "Pore breathing", are you familiar with it?

I'll stop there, for now. But in the meantime - please go see a doctor.  :eek:
Of course if you do see a doctor, it would be a good idea to keep hush hush about your practices and the events that lead to your problems, as that might just unnecessarily confuse him. :biggrin:

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Alhamdulillah, let us all bow to this enlightened one for saving us from our ignorance and delusional practices which were going just fine before this great revelation.

I will only waste enough time for a single post on such an obviously provocative thread, but there is a glaring fault here that I would like to point out, which makes this argument very impractical.

There is an important prerequisite to believing in the vital force, which you are either ignorant of, or simply reject.
This is the concept that there are spiritual/astral counterparts to the physical world - in other words there is more to this Creation than the physical plane.
At least, this is what is taught in most western magic like which is popular here.

I cannot vouch for those systems which use "ki" "prana" etc., but magicians are not taught that the vital force is a physical energy that maintains the physical body. They are taught that it is a spiritual force which functions within the spiritual bodies.

This entire argument is a stalemate. You will not find physical evidence of the vital power, or any other spiritual force the magician works with, because they are not physical forces. It would be like you are looking for fish on land.
Now you will find things in the physical world that is related, similar, connected or representative of these forces, but you will not find a pure manifestation.

If a magician wishes to understand the physical world, he looks to science like anyone else. But if he wishes to learn about the spiritual or esoteric, he looks towards his magic.

And this is where we find this stalemate:
You seem to be under the perspective that there is only the physical sphere of existence - most magicians do not have that perspective.
You cannot prove to the magicians that the spiritual counterparts to Creation is false, as you cannot prove a negative, and they cannot prove to you through direct physical evidence that there is a spiritual counterpart to Creation, because it has no existence within the physical sphere to begin with.
Despite this, magicians and occultists of various kinds will continue to practice like they always have, and, regardless of whether or not it is real, they will continue to benefit in some form from these practices - if they didn't, it would have been abandoned long ago.

You will never find the vital force under a microscope, but that is not where it is to be found in the first place.

Good luck to your pursuit of knowledge, inshallah.

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Hello and Goodbye / Re: Hello Veritas
« on: July 07, 2018, 01:44:55 AM »
Hello there :P

I haven't heard of this kunlun system before, but I'm familiar with hermetics and the IIH.

Even if you do not complete the whole book, the IIH will get your farther than any book I've ever seen, in terms of meaningful development.
Even just mastering the first 3 steps will put you past most modern magicians.
But, it's certainly a challenging and laborious endeavor, especially if you go about it recklessly.
Take it carefully, do not skip steps, read thoroughly, and perhaps you'll go far ;)

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Technical Support / Re: Post formatting problem
« on: June 18, 2018, 11:36:41 PM »
If you are pressing it twice, then we are doing the same thing.

What browser do you use?

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Technical Support / Re: Post formatting problem
« on: June 18, 2018, 11:10:04 PM »
You mean,

Like this?

I just press the enter button twice.
Pressing it once moves it to the line directly underneath, then pressing it again leaves an empty line between my last sentence and the new one.
Is that how you are doing it?

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