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Title: Fundamental Dynamic Psi for the Beginning Practicioner
Post by: XIII on December 14, 2006, 03:50:39 PM
Fundamental Dynamic Psi is a course aimed to clear up the misconceptions about dynamic psi, and present information to learn to perform it.

Lesson 1
http://forums.vsociety.net/topic/9683.0

Lesson 2
http://forums.vsociety.net/topic/9836.0

Lesson 3
http://forums.vsociety.net/topic/9907.0

Lesson 4
http://forums.vsociety.net/topic/9995.0

Lesson 5
http://forums.vsociety.net/topic/10067.0

Lesson 6
http://forums.vsociety.net/topic/10154.0
Title: Re: Fundamental Dynamic Psi for the Beginning Practicioner
Post by: saugiu on December 16, 2006, 08:51:53 PM
Where's the rest?
Title: Re: Fundamental Dynamic Psi for the Beginning Practicioner
Post by: Frozen on December 16, 2006, 09:09:38 PM
The rest of the lessons will follow soon. This first lesson was only put up a few days ago.
Title: Re: Fundamental Dynamic Psi for the Beginning Practicioner
Post by: NathanE on December 16, 2006, 10:13:06 PM
Never try to squeeze water from a rock. the next one will be up soon ^_^ so practice.  :elephant:
Title: Re: Fundamental Dynamic Psi for the Beginning Practicioner
Post by: XIII on December 17, 2006, 02:24:22 PM
We would like to keep the course form, even though it's not a strict, closed environment. Hopefully, people won't skip ahead, but we can't stop it if it happens. We only wish that people follow the course in its entirety to get the most effective use from it. So, new lessons will be posted from time to time.
Title: Re: Fundamental Dynamic Psi for the Beginning Practicioner
Post by: Ezekiel on December 28, 2006, 06:11:53 AM
I'm 16 if i keep up my practicing my psionics i should have them down really good in the next few years yes?(i can make a cold psi ball)
Title: Re: Fundamental Dynamic Psi for the Beginning Practicioner
Post by: Saer on December 28, 2006, 07:31:48 AM
I'm 16 if i keep up my practicing my psionics i should have them down really good in the next few years yes?(i can make a cold psi ball)

Certainly. I'm sure if you continue to practice daily, record your progress and learn from the times when you didn't quite get it, than you may as well be proficient before that time. Not to forget that the degree of advancement is only equivalent to the person performing the exercise and the dedication they have put forth.
Title: Re: Fundamental Dynamic Psi for the Beginning Practicioner
Post by: Prodeus on December 28, 2006, 07:57:50 AM
Ezekiel, it won't even take that long.  If you practice seriously for at least 30-45 minutes each day and record everything you do for later reference, you should start seeing noticable and, if you work hard, pleasing results in as little as 4 months.  Of course, you may not be able to suggest perfectly with TPS or levitate an object, but 30-45 minutes will get you in the right direction and provide you with strong, steady growth.
Title: Re: Fundamental Dynamic Psi for the Beginning Practicioner
Post by: aether11 on December 28, 2006, 11:07:56 PM
Ive never approached the Dynamic Psi paradigm.

But ill give it a shot.

Is this begginer course going to cover most, or all, of Kobok's Dynamic Psi Course?
Title: Re: Fundamental Dynamic Psi for the Beginning Practicioner
Post by: Prodeus on December 28, 2006, 11:19:05 PM
Ive never approached the Dynamic Psi paradigm.

But ill give it a shot.

Is this begginer course going to cover most, or all, of Kobok's Dynamic Psi Course?

No.  Thos course serves as an introduction only to the course.  It is basically practice that could help you for Kobok's real class.  In other words, this class is preliminary.
Title: Re: Fundamental Dynamic Psi for the Beginning Practicioner
Post by: XIII on December 29, 2006, 08:15:41 PM
Actually, this is both an introduction and the entire course. I'm fairly sure we're going to cover a good part of the dynamic psi class.
Title: Re: Fundamental Dynamic Psi for the Beginning Practicioner
Post by: aether11 on December 30, 2006, 12:01:22 AM
Sweet!

Ill go ahead and practice then with your course.
Title: Re: Fundamental Dynamic Psi for the Beginning Practicioner
Post by: Orthas on December 31, 2006, 10:52:24 AM
Looks good shadow

 :)
Title: Re: Fundamental Dynamic Psi for the Beginning Practicioner
Post by: TakeV on January 01, 2007, 09:59:32 PM
Looks good shadow

 :)

But Gemini wrote the course...
Title: Re: Fundamental Dynamic Psi for the Beginning Practicioner
Post by: Vecna on January 02, 2007, 06:47:34 AM
Looks good shadow

 :)

But Gemini wrote the course...

Those who skulk in the shadows have to live with never being recognised for their work.

And it's hard to tell which one of you is which, with all your avatars the same...

~Crowley
Title: Re: Fundamental Dynamic Psi for the Beginning Practicioner
Post by: TakeV on January 02, 2007, 02:51:41 PM
Looks good shadow

 :)

But Gemini wrote the course...

Those who skulk in the shadows have to live with never being recognised for their work.

And it's hard to tell which one of you is which, with all your avatars the same...

~Crowley


I was going to think of a snappy comeback, where I point out something you haven't been recognized because of hidding in the shadows.
But I couldn't think of anything....
Title: Re: Fundamental Dynamic Psi for the Beginning Practicioner
Post by: XIII on January 10, 2007, 12:34:24 PM
Introduction to Kinetics posted, check the first post for the link.
Title: Re: Fundamental Dynamic Psi for the Beginning Practicioner
Post by: XIII on January 21, 2007, 12:05:05 PM
Future selection posted, check the first post for link.
Title: Re: Fundamental Dynamic Psi for the Beginning Practicioner
Post by: XIII on February 04, 2007, 03:44:24 PM
Lesson 4, Masters of Transformation, posted.
Title: Re: Fundamental Dynamic Psi for the Beginning Practicioner
Post by: XIII on February 18, 2007, 03:43:09 PM
Lesson 5: Inner Meditation and Linking posted.
Title: Re: Fundamental Dynamic Psi for the Beginning Practicioner
Post by: XIII on March 04, 2007, 02:23:25 PM
Lesson 6: Scanning posted.
Title: Re: Fundamental Dynamic Psi for the Beginning Practicioner
Post by: Frostlock on October 17, 2007, 07:12:01 AM
Hello everybody this is my first post here..I would like to know something..I am 14 years old..am i too young for this? if i practice 2-3 hours a day, how long will it take for me to be just a little bit more than a novice?
Title: Re: Fundamental Dynamic Psi for the Beginning Practicioner
Post by: TakeV on October 17, 2007, 08:41:36 AM
Hello everybody this is my first post here..I would like to know something..I am 14 years old..am i too young for this? if i practice 2-3 hours a day, how long will it take for me to be just a little bit more than a novice?

No one is "too young" for psi. The only thing that determinds your success is your dedication and if you follow the exercises properly.
Title: Re: Fundamental Dynamic Psi for the Beginning Practicioner
Post by: Frostlock on October 17, 2007, 08:56:17 AM
Thanks i realy needed to know that...and one more thing if u dont mind...what is a psiwheel and where can i get one?:D
Title: Re: Fundamental Dynamic Psi for the Beginning Practicioner
Post by: Raitaro on October 17, 2007, 08:58:01 AM
A psiwheel is a specially folded bit of paper propped up on a stand (generally a needle sticking out of an "eraser" or something similar). People learn to spin them as their first telekinetic excercise.
  
Title: Re: Fundamental Dynamic Psi for the Beginning Practicioner
Post by: Frostlock on October 17, 2007, 09:06:01 AM
Thank u...so i dont have to buy it, i just make it? where could i get a tutorial on how to make it?:D
Title: Re: Fundamental Dynamic Psi for the Beginning Practicioner
Post by: Raitaro on October 17, 2007, 09:15:36 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSbW4DJwms4

:)
Title: Re: Fundamental Dynamic Psi for the Beginning Practicioner
Post by: Frostlock on October 17, 2007, 09:30:04 AM
weee tahkz :D:D:D
gonna try soon to move it...but i dont think il do it :(
Title: Re: Fundamental Dynamic Psi for the Beginning Practicioner
Post by: Oriens Lvx Lucis on October 17, 2007, 01:26:34 PM
Quote from: TakeV
No one is "too young" for psi. The only thing that determinds your success is your dedication and if you follow the exercises properly.

I disagree.  Physically, age doesn't matter on its own except for social reasons.  However, the mind and other bodies are tied to the aging process of the body.  For this reason, people at the age of, say, 14-21 in most cases do not have the mental and spiritual (spiritual used loosely to mean non-physical bodies) maturity to undertake work on a serious and abstract level (i.e. working with a system which relies on something non-physical, not recognized by science and ridiculed by most people).  For this reason, the grand majority of people who practice psi either corrupt themselves more than they started out or eventually turn to some kind of spiritual path.

Frostlock,

You being 14 gives you a very real barrier to progress.  Sheer maturity is, as I hinted earlier, the single more important factor in trying to start out on a psionic/magic path.  Also, I recommend you not attempt to share your metaphysical knowledge with other people as physical age usually evokes a dismissive attitude in other people; at least not until you can prove what you say logically or prove it physically.  For the former, I recommend you study philosophy and some sort of spirituality seriously, as reading texts of a serious and lofty nature tend to exponentially increase understanding and maturity on all levels.

Good luck in your practice.
Title: Re: Fundamental Dynamic Psi for the Beginning Practicioner
Post by: TakeV on October 17, 2007, 01:43:12 PM
Quote from: TakeV
No one is "too young" for psi. The only thing that determinds your success is your dedication and if you follow the exercises properly.

I disagree.  Physically, age doesn't matter on its own except for social reasons.  However, the mind and other bodies are tied to the aging process of the body.  For this reason, people at the age of, say, 14-21 in most cases do not have the mental and spiritual (spiritual used loosely to mean non-physical bodies) maturity to undertake work on a serious and abstract level (i.e. working with a system which relies on something non-physical, not recognized by science and ridiculed by most people).  For this reason, the grand majority of people who practice psi either corrupt themselves more than they started out or eventually turn to some kind of spiritual path.

Frostlock,

You being 14 gives you a very real barrier to progress.  Sheer maturity is, as I hinted earlier, the single more important factor in trying to start out on a psionic/magic path.  Also, I recommend you not attempt to share your metaphysical knowledge with other people as physical age usually evokes a dismissive attitude in other people; at least not until you can prove what you say logically or prove it physically.  For the former, I recommend you study philosophy and some sort of spirituality seriously, as reading texts of a serious and lofty nature tend to exponentially increase understanding and maturity on all levels.

Good luck in your practice.

The question was not one of maturity and success based on it, but a question based on if it were possible to perform and practice psionics.
Title: Re: Fundamental Dynamic Psi for the Beginning Practicioner
Post by: supadude on October 17, 2007, 02:04:09 PM
i believe that the younger the psion begins with his/her training, the better.
Title: Re: Fundamental Dynamic Psi for the Beginning Practicioner
Post by: Hech on October 17, 2007, 02:04:48 PM
I do not agree with Oriens. I believe that meditation can be begun at a very young age, and this would be a very positive thing. At a later age, when more rigorous work is then undertaken, particularly magic, the person will be more well equipped.
Title: Re: Fundamental Dynamic Psi for the Beginning Practicioner
Post by: `Nazukarr on October 17, 2007, 02:39:54 PM
I do not agree with Oriens. I believe that meditation can be begun at a very young age, and this would be a very positive thing. At a later age, when more rigorous work is then undertaken, particularly magic, the person will be more well equipped.

Well, in Oriens' defense, he -did- say that, presumably, most basic psi functions were definitely possible for a child. But that essentially makes his long, drawn-out, middle aged grimore, armchair study-riddled agreement, which is shrouded by flowered words of disagreement, completely unnecessary and redundant, doesn't it? Huh. Who would have thought? ;)

Anyway: No, you, as a 14 year old, are not too young to study psi. Any one with reasonably good judgment and intelligence can. Have fun with the articles.


 
Title: Re: Fundamental Dynamic Psi for the Beginning Practicioner
Post by: Forg on October 17, 2007, 02:47:57 PM
In my opinion, maturity is indeed an important part of any sort of study or practice, but this does not mean you can't learn it along the way. I'm sure that the younger you go into a study such as psionics, you would likely be more irrational. That's apparent with some new members. Though, irrationality can be greatly due to a lack of experience.

If we are burned by fire, we learn not to touch it. Similarly, if we come into a practice not being familiar with it, we learn the dos and don'ts eventually. I don't think age should ever be something one accepts as a boundary, knowledge comes to everyone at different times. To say you should or shouldn't try to learn something because you are mentally young is an ignorant approach that would leave people in the dust. Simply, if you don't have the experience to be able to learn higher level information, you will realize this at some point and return to where you belong.
Title: Re: Fundamental Dynamic Psi for the Beginning Practicioner
Post by: Frostlock on October 18, 2007, 10:08:02 AM
First thank you for your replies, it really helped me, its good to know that i may be able to do it..i already started training in Focus meditation...i have been doing void meditation for a while so it is wear but i think i can do it... maybe my kinetics and other psi will not be very powerfull, but i just hope they will be, and if they will i will take care to get it at a higher level.
Any one with reasonably good judgment and intelligence can. Have fun with the articles.


If i am young it does not mean i am not intelligent, nor that i have a bat judgment so i should be able to do it, don't i?

Quote from: TakeV
No one is "too young" for psi. The only thing that determinds your success is your dedication and if you follow the exercises properly.

I disagree.  Physically, age doesn't matter on its own except for social reasons.  However, the mind and other bodies are tied to the aging process of the body.  For this reason, people at the age of, say, 14-21 in most cases do not have the mental and spiritual (spiritual used loosely to mean non-physical bodies) maturity to undertake work on a serious and abstract level (i.e. working with a system which relies on something non-physical, not recognized by science and ridiculed by most people).  For this reason, the grand majority of people who practice psi either corrupt themselves more than they started out or eventually turn to some kind of spiritual path.

Frostlock,

You being 14 gives you a very real barrier to progress.  Sheer maturity is, as I hinted earlier, the single more important factor in trying to start out on a psionic/magic path.  Also, I recommend you not attempt to share your metaphysical knowledge with other people as physical age usually evokes a dismissive attitude in other people; at least not until you can prove what you say logically or prove it physically.  For the former, I recommend you study philosophy and some sort of spirituality seriously, as reading texts of a serious and lofty nature tend to exponentially increase understanding and maturity on all levels.

Good luck in your practice.

First, thank you for your recommendations, and good luck to you too.
Maybe it is a barrier, but i do not think it is very much for me, because i consider myself a open-minded person. I do belive in psi, magic and chi, and that is not because i watched cartoons. Even it is small, i do not share my knowledge with people that can't understand it simply because they would just laugh and say i am nuts. Even if i will be able to prove it some day, i still wouldn't show them because they will think i am a freak. I would probably only share with my very very best friends, and my girlfriend.

I know my name sounds stupid but i am using frost related words since i was a kid and i have no reason to change it.

I have a question if u wish to answer me... I made a psiwheel and tried to move it. It didn't..it was first time. Does that mean i can not do it?
Title: Re: Fundamental Dynamic Psi for the Beginning Practicioner
Post by: supadude on October 18, 2007, 11:25:16 AM
Quote

If i am young it does not mean i am not intelligent, nor that i have a bat judgment so i should be able to do it, don't i?
you can do this at any age, nothing should be in your way since your younger, you have less mental blocks and conflictingbeliefs than the average adult.^_^
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First, thank you for your recommendations, and good luck to you too.
Maybe it is a barrier, but i do not think it is very much for me, because i consider myself a open-minded person. I do belive in psi, magic and chi, and that is not because i watched cartoons. Even it is small, i do not share my knowledge with people that can't understand it simply because they would just laugh and say i am nuts. Even if i will be able to prove it some day, i still wouldn't show them because they will think i am a freak. I would probably only share with my very very best friends, and my girlfriend.

I know my name sounds stupid but i am using frost related words since i was a kid and i have no reason to change it.

I have a question if u wish to answer me... I made a psiwheel and tried to move it. It didn't..it was first time. Does that mean i can not do it?
i disagree with oriens, i began when i was ten and in a few months i was moving psiwheels, age is not a fator, as you get older you power doesnt weaken, only your physical body.

Your name isnt stupid, it unique.^_^

It would be amasing if you did, nobody ever gets telekinesis the first time trying it, unless they are natural psychics.
Title: Re: Fundamental Dynamic Psi for the Beginning Practicioner
Post by: Forg on October 18, 2007, 11:25:43 AM
They have the saying "if at first you don't succeed, try try again." for a reason. ;)

It's not common for a person to move a psi wheel on their first try. It requires a good amount of focus and application of ability, you'll get it over time.
Title: Re: Fundamental Dynamic Psi for the Beginning Practicioner
Post by: supadude on October 18, 2007, 11:42:28 AM
im working with a covered psiwheel right now, but it has taken me over a month to gain the least bit of control that i have. the only reason i stopped years ago is because i got bored with it, please, dont let that happen to you, if you practice daily you will see the fruits of your endeavors. My point is to just hang in there, your power will come with training and time, take heed of the  articles and if you have a question that isnt answered by the articles, post it up in the psionics forum, we are always more than happy to help you out. ^_^
This is coming from somebody who has seen and expirienced the possibility of the of the realm of psionics, please dont give up if you are having trouble in the beginning, that is the reason most people quit psionics, they go on a TK binge for a month and then they get frustrated and quit, i dont want that to happen to you. :(
And once you got it, if people badger you for proof, say "screw off, im not obligated to prove anything to you.", after all you know you can, if they cant, thats their problem. :wink:
Title: Re: Fundamental Dynamic Psi for the Beginning Practicioner
Post by: Frostlock on October 20, 2007, 04:43:05 AM
U know...i gave up many things because of stupid things...im not going to give this up because i lost too many thing with giving up...and i just love this..but after i focus 30 mins on something (i use my focus from time to time but i do my best) and try as much as posible to move it (it still doesn't move) i get such a hard headache...but i just go rest for 30 mins and im back trying to do it again...and im trying to play less World of Warcraft :D
Title: Re: Fundamental Dynamic Psi for the Beginning Practicioner
Post by: Forg on October 20, 2007, 07:06:22 AM
If you're getting a headache it's likely that you are straining the muscles in your head. When you're doing this there should be no muscular strain at all, the idea is to remain relaxed. Mental focus doesn't require flexing ;)
Title: Re: Fundamental Dynamic Psi for the Beginning Practicioner
Post by: Frostlock on October 20, 2007, 07:13:34 AM
Ty for the tips..yeah i do strain a little bit :D
Title: Re: Fundamental Dynamic Psi for the Beginning Practicioner
Post by: Oriens Lvx Lucis on October 20, 2007, 08:53:18 AM
Quote from: supadude
i disagree with oriens, i began when i was ten and in a few months i was moving psiwheels, age is not a fator, as you get older you power doesnt weaken, only your physical body.

This isn't what I meant by age barrier.  Most people under the age of 18 have an age barrier due to their mental maturity.  Mental maturity statistically comes with (or at least is somewhat parallel to in most cases) physical age.  It doesn't mean that you don't have the capability, it means that most people at Frsotlock's age don't have the mental maturity to work with psi.  If you began at 10 it just means that you're an anomaly to that statistical analysis, nothing more.
Title: Re: Fundamental Dynamic Psi for the Beginning Practicioner
Post by: Frostlock on October 20, 2007, 10:22:37 AM
I consider myself enough mature to study and learn psi and other things that usualy kids like me can not :D i already did that many times
Title: Re: Fundamental Dynamic Psi for the Beginning Practicioner
Post by: Frostlock on October 21, 2007, 10:28:10 AM
How do i know a class will begin?
Title: Re: Fundamental Dynamic Psi for the Beginning Practicioner
Post by: Forg on October 21, 2007, 01:23:55 PM
Classes aren't running currently, if they do start there will be announcements and you can refer to the classes section of the forum.
Title: Re: Fundamental Dynamic Psi for the Beginning Practicioner
Post by: Frostlock on October 22, 2007, 09:48:12 AM
OK thanx
Title: Re: Fundamental Dynamic Psi for the Beginning Practicioner
Post by: Sky Verati on November 13, 2007, 07:53:40 PM
Thank you for putting this up.  I've been lingering around the site for a while, but I've not been really sure how to get involved (esp. in the threads.  All the interesting topics have already been picked over a few times by the time I get there,) so thank you for this.  It's a big help.
Title: Re: Fundamental Dynamic Psi for the Beginning Practicioner
Post by: disciple of the ages on January 01, 2009, 04:56:02 PM
I can't wait to start in on these links. I had never heard of psionics...outside of the world of D&D. Thanks for putting this up!
Title: Re: Fundamental Dynamic Psi for the Beginning Practicioner
Post by: shadow walker on March 19, 2009, 06:46:39 PM
thanks  :cool:
Title: Re: Fundamental Dynamic Psi for the Beginning Practicioner
Post by: Violet on April 30, 2009, 05:16:21 AM
Do these lessons cover the entire course by now?

~Tempestum
Title: Re: Fundamental Dynamic Psi for the Beginning Practicioner
Post by: aertys12 on May 05, 2009, 07:09:52 PM
thanks man
Title: Re: Fundamental Dynamic Psi for the Beginning Practicioner
Post by: Sylar_tk on January 17, 2011, 06:49:14 PM
Looking forward to taking part in any new lessons :)
Title: Re: Fundamental Dynamic Psi for the Beginning Practicioner
Post by: The_Son999 on August 05, 2011, 01:43:57 AM
Wow, very nice guide on how to do Psionics, thanks for the helpful info.
Title: Re: Fundamental Dynamic Psi for the Beginning Practicioner
Post by: The Psion on November 19, 2011, 12:19:32 AM
This is great.  :)
Title: Re: Fundamental Dynamic Psi for the Beginning Practicioner
Post by: seanburtonsb on March 03, 2013, 12:47:46 AM
i just tried the candle meditation and it was very interesting watching the flame dance and bend, although it was interesting i would much rather do the conscious breathe meditation i am much more comfortable doing this meditation my intuition is telling me that this is what i should do in essence i am wondering will i be able to obtain the control of psi through this level of meditation? or would it be more beneficial to do the candle mediation instead here is a description of the conscious breathe mediation please all feed back is welcomed  :headwall:       

This unique meditation breathing technique is a key to accessing your subconscious & conscious minds and having them work together as one. This helps you set and achieve goals, change negative programming to positive, transcend "brain chatter" and even the limits of your body. Having them work together as one is important, because if you want to achieve "goal success", you don't want those two aspects pulling in different directions.

The "Conscious Breath" meditation allows you to become aware of your breathing, without controlling it. By practicing it, you will gain both sub-conscious control and conscious mind/subconscious mind integration.

DOING IT:

Sit with your spine erect if possible. If not, lay down. Relax and sort of watch your body breathe. Just pay attention to the fact that it's happening without "you" doing anything, and keep your mind focused on the breath going in and out, without interfering with it.

The trick is to let your subconscious mind control your breathing for you (like your body does normally), but pay attention to it. I.e., be CONSCIOUSLY AWARE of your breathing while that is happening.

Don't try and control it. This mediation requires a passive concentration. By doing this, over time you will eventually attain an integration of sub-conscious and conscious, which has many, many benefits (see our links page for a great free online book that explains these in detail, & other helpful items).

Thatís all there is to it.

At first, until your concentration develops, your mind will wander all over the place. As soon as you realize that your mind has wandered, bring it right back to watching yourself breathe. Donít waste energy reprimanding yourself for not maintaining concentration, that just creates an unnecessary struggle which allows frustration to occur. Frustration is a negative emotion that counteracts your efforts for inner peace and relaxation.

Note:  Bringing yourself back to the object of concentration immediately upon recognizing that youíve wandered off, applies to all concentration/meditation techniques.

Besides those discussed above, one result of bridging the two minds is that the conscious mind becomes still and quiet. You get more inner peace as you become free from the constant "internal noise" in your brain, while lessening your reaction to the external stimuli that prevents/blocks you from becoming a "reflection" of higher states of awareness & consciousness. This meditation (that has Tibetan roots) is great for that.