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Title: Fundamental Dynamic Psi for the Beginning Practitioner
Post by: Mobius on December 14, 2006, 03:47:08 PM
Welcome Veritasians!

This course is intended to be a short duration project designed to teach participants basic psi skills, hosted by myself, Shadowarrior13, and Remakai. It will be strongly based on kobok’s dynamic psi paradigm, and the topics to be covered include the following:

•   Meditation
•   Kinesis
•   Scanning
•   Energy Dynamics and Constructs
•   The Philosophy of Psi

Meditation, in several forms, is a fundamental skill of all psionic practices. Kinesis, scanning, and energy dynamics represent the three pillars of our arts, and for each one we will discuss just what we think they are and how one might go about working with them. The philosophy of psi is a final topic, explaining what psi seems to be and how it affects each and every one of us. Each of these area will be given a cursory survey, sufficient to begin practice and exploration in each of the major areas.

This will be a public class, open to everyone. All material will be posted here publicly. Questions can be fielded to any of the teachers, either in threads dedicated to this course, via the forums PM system, or on IRC. Students are encouraged to discuss their experiences and share their questions both on the forums and in the #vmeta channel, as well as get involved in the Veritas mentor program.

Note that this course is not intended to replace kobok’s “Way of the Psion” course. It is intended for those who are curious about psionics and did not make it during kobok’s application period, or would like to practice their skills in the meantime. kobok’s class will cover all of this material in considerably greater depth.

Lesson I: Focal Meditation

Focal meditation is a skill essential to the practice of dynamic psi. Through it, one acquires the mental skills required to operate psi purposefully. Without it, it can be extremely difficult to potently and accurately perform any psi feat.

To begin, read kobok’s article on focal meditation, available here: http://forums.vsociety.net/topic/4867.0

One of our ultimate goals through focal meditation is to achieve awareness of the soul. With time, patience, and diligent practice of focal meditation, one will find oneself aware of it eventually. If it does not come immediately, relax! This is perhaps one of the most difficult steps in all of psi, simply because one does not immediately know what to look for. The time it can take varies strongly by individual. Don’t get frustrated, keep practicing, and it will come to you eventually. Introspection is a great tool for finding the soul, and helps know the soul. After a degree of success is maintained with focal meditation, begin with focusing on your own mind, and see how deep you can delve into it. As more and more of yourself is known to you, finding and connecting with the soul will be an easier task.

The soul, the fundamental component of our identity, is the foundation of all that we do in dynamic psi. What exactly the soul seems to be will be addressed in later articles (or can be gleaned from kobok’s other articles in the psi section of Veritas, for the curious!). For now, try it take it on faith that it is there and that you have one. You can become aware of it, though what exactly finding this awareness means will be for you to discover. Look to the FAQ at the bottom of this post for frequent questions about finding the soul.

That is all for now. Practice your focal meditation, discover your soul, and prepare for the next lesson! Its going to be a fun one. :)

FAQ

Q) How can I keep my mind from wandering?
A) Meditation should not be strained. While focal meditation is the development and use of extreme focus, people get the misconception that focus requires strain. However, meditation cannot be simply left to its own devices, or the mind will wander as well. Through regular meditation, a happy medium can be found. When this is discovered, mental focus can grow significantly.

Q) Meditation is too boring.
A) The beginning stages of meditation can be a tad boring. However, once a meditative state is reached, that boredom dissipates. Power through it, and this feeling will fade, especially as one discovers the soul and moves onward on the path of psi.

Q) I just can’t get focused.
A) Meditation is difficult for beginners, and a candle is a great resource. Try some relaxation exercises, and make sure that you’re relatively calm. Stress makes meditation a good deal more difficult until one is better at it. While first learning meditation, start small. Try meditating for 5 minutes, no more than 10, and then leave. Don’t give up, but leave it for a while later. Go for a jog, read a book, take a shower, and come back.

Q) How do I know I’m meditating on the soul?
A) The soul is not physical. While it has the power to influence the physical, it doesn’t reside there. Therefore, if you’re meditating on a point on your body or physical feeling, you’re not meditating on the soul. Correct focus on the soul is often accompanied with a deep, introspective mindset, a good state of mental focus, very vivid perception, and a feeling of connection with the world, though it varies from person to person. Regular meditation helps strengthen which feeling is right and which is wrong, and you’ll attain a stronger focal point within the soul.
Title: Re: Fundamental Dynamic Psi for the Beginning Practitioner
Post by: haku on December 19, 2006, 09:29:43 PM
Can't wait for the next one.
Title: Re: Fundamental Dynamic Psi for the Beginning Practitioner
Post by: aether11 on December 31, 2006, 04:32:04 AM
Can I have a sneak-peak for the next article?  :)
Title: Re: Fundamental Dynamic Psi for the Beginning Practitioner
Post by: Mobius on December 31, 2006, 10:55:22 AM
I'm going to aim to have the next article up either today or tomorrow, depending on how easily I can get in touch with Shadow and Remakai.
Title: Re: Fundamental Dynamic Psi for the Beginning Practitioner
Post by: aether11 on January 04, 2007, 09:24:51 PM
*stares at the clock*

*glances at the calendar*

Jan, 4 2007?
Title: Re: Fundamental Dynamic Psi for the Beginning Practitioner
Post by: Mobius on January 05, 2007, 07:52:39 AM
I know, I know. Sorry, don't mean to pull a kobok on you guys, but I've been having some trouble getting in touch with Shadowarrior13, as he has a part he needs to write as well. Feel free to contact him through any venue possible and encourage him to hurry it up. ;)
Title: Re: Fundamental Dynamic Psi for the Beginning Practitioner
Post by: sargon on March 08, 2007, 09:30:50 PM
This topic is pretty dead by now, but I'll shamelessly post that I have chosen to become a psion rather than a magi. The reasons can be summed up as "Scientific process vs. Traditional ritual"
Title: Re: Fundamental Dynamic Psi for the Beginning Practitioner
Post by: Philosopher on March 15, 2007, 02:50:58 PM
I see no reason why you can't do both. Unless it a matter of no wanting to divide you attention and time.
Title: Re: Fundamental Dynamic Psi for the Beginning Practitioner
Post by: TakeV on March 15, 2007, 06:57:26 PM
I see no reason why you can't do both. Unless it a matter of no wanting to divide you attention and time.

It's perfectly reasonable to do both. As you get further into them, you slowly start to realise that they are fundamentally the same.
Title: Re: Fundamental Dynamic Psi for the Beginning Practitioner
Post by: Jesse9209 on May 13, 2007, 06:39:41 AM
I'm working through IIH and i'm doing step 1 is the meditation in the beginning of focusing on one thought and emptying the mind work as a substitue for focal meditation? I'd rater keep the amount of differnt meditations down so i have more time to work on them.
Title: Re: Fundamental Dynamic Psi for the Beginning Practitioner
Post by: Mobius on May 13, 2007, 07:33:05 AM
Well, focal meditation is used as part of later exercises. A substitution might be possible, but I am not familiar with IIH, so I could not say how likely that may be. I do know some people who practice both systems, so I will ask them about this. :)
Title: Re: Fundamental Dynamic Psi for the Beginning Practitioner
Post by: XIII on May 13, 2007, 11:12:00 AM
The meditation that Bardon explains is what is known as 'void' meditation. It consists of emptying all of the thoughts in the mind by sheer force of will, and floating in the abyss. Focal meditation, however, is the complete and utter focus of all aspects of the mind on one thing. They are different, and used for different purposes. Void meditation helps mental control, but should not be substituted for focal meditation.
Title: Re: Fundamental Dynamic Psi for the Beginning Practitioner
Post by: zeon on May 15, 2007, 09:30:36 PM
what if u practice chi,psi,and the science of "magic"
Title: Re: Fundamental Dynamic Psi for the Beginning Practitioner
Post by: XIII on May 19, 2007, 04:56:43 PM
What if?
You'll find that the systems do not conflict.
Title: Re: Fundamental Dynamic Psi for the Beginning Practitioner
Post by: zeon on May 20, 2007, 12:06:08 PM
ooo ok
Title: Re: Fundamental Dynamic Psi for the Beginning Practitioner
Post by: whizkid on August 23, 2007, 08:01:46 AM
this is great :biggrin:
Title: Re: Fundamental Dynamic Psi for the Beginning Practitioner
Post by: Frostlock on October 20, 2007, 04:51:31 AM
I have also chosen to be a psion rather than a magi..i did practice some magic and it worked quite well for me..the luck spells were great i was realy having luck ..everything was going so well...but psi looks more interesting to me..probably after i master psi(i hope that will happen) i will also study magic again :D
Title: Focal Meditation Success
Post by: sandyz on November 13, 2007, 06:34:22 AM
Hi have been very successful in meditations and I'm happy that I did try the Focal Meditations and am practising it daily.
Title: Re: Fundamental Dynamic Psi for the Beginning Practitioner
Post by: TakeV on November 13, 2007, 10:26:47 AM
Hi have been very successful in meditations and I'm happy that I did try the Focal Meditations and am practising it daily.

That is wonderful. :)
Title: Re: Fundamental Dynamic Psi for the Beginning Practitioner
Post by: sandyz on November 13, 2007, 09:43:41 PM
Hi have been very successful in meditations and I'm happy that I did try the Focal Meditations and am practising it daily.

That is wonderful. :)

So can I now continue onto the Kinesis or the second part of this course?
Title: Re: Fundamental Dynamic Psi for the Beginning Practitioner
Post by: TakeV on November 14, 2007, 11:01:05 AM
Hi have been very successful in meditations and I'm happy that I did try the Focal Meditations and am practising it daily.

That is wonderful. :)

So can I now continue onto the Kinesis or the second part of this course?

If you found your soul, yes. Kinesis requires that you have done so, first.
Title: Re: Fundamental Dynamic Psi for the Beginning Practitioner
Post by: sandyz on November 14, 2007, 09:37:19 PM
Yes, I have owing to the fact that I have been meditating for over five years now...it was prety easy :)

So, I started yesterday evening with the candle flame technique. And boy is that tough! I tried again this morning....tougher still! I'll try this eve too!

Title: Re: Fundamental Dynamic Psi for the Beginning Practitioner
Post by: Lucina on November 16, 2007, 07:44:51 AM
i have been practicing candle flame for over two or three weeks now... my eyes are still adjusting and sometimes can get strain and lose my focus.

in oriental practice this is known as trataka,focusing on the candle flame till eyes water believed to have beneficial effect on the eye, how true?
Title: Re: Fundamental Dynamic Psi for the Beginning Practitioner
Post by: kobok on November 16, 2007, 05:32:58 PM
i have been practicing candle flame for over two or three weeks now... my eyes are still adjusting and sometimes can get strain and lose my focus.

in oriental practice this is known as trataka,focusing on the candle flame till eyes water believed to have beneficial effect on the eye, how true?

Try not to strain your eyes while doing this exercise.  You must focus with your mind, not your eyes.
Title: Re: Fundamental Dynamic Psi for the Beginning Practitioner
Post by: Secret Rose on November 22, 2007, 06:50:07 PM
I have tinnitus and vertigo (dizziness) and I don't seem to be bothered with that as long as I don't concentrate on it...It's just like distractions from the outside world, just don't focus on it.

I don't know why but the past couple of days I've kind of been zoning out really quickly as if in meditation, for no reason.  Like I'll be putting something into the refrigerator and then I won't really be aware of my surroundings and time seems to pass by very slowly.  Or if I'm looking at something my eyes will automatically defocus from everything for awhile.  <---What does this mean?   

Also, when I get dizzy spells sometimes I'm almost automatically placed into a meditative state because I can't really focus at all on the things going around me, and I can't do anything but just sit and basically do nothing.  I can't process thought either.  But I'm positive this isn't exactly a meditative state. 

Sorry for the length of my post, but I have one more question, Would meditation possibly calm down an asthma attack?  Or would it be too hard to reach that state of mind in that condition?  I have recurring asthma and sometimes my medication does not always work. 

Thank you for your help!

~Secret Rose
Title: Re: Fundamental Dynamic Psi for the Beginning Practitioner
Post by: Lucina on November 23, 2007, 07:10:40 AM
perhaps some breathing excercise (such as pranayama) before you sit for concentration might help.
Title: Re: Fundamental Dynamic Psi for the Beginning Practitioner
Post by: supernova558 on April 01, 2008, 10:07:43 AM
i tried every singel website for this and i stil kant make a psi ball :headwall:
Title: Re: Fundamental Dynamic Psi for the Beginning Practitioner
Post by: Dillon02003 on July 11, 2008, 02:42:29 PM
Can focal meditation count as something you are listening to?  for example, I am working with BrainWave Entrainment and was wondering if I could, instead of focussing on a candle flame, focus on the sound of the beats.
Title: Re: Fundamental Dynamic Psi for the Beginning Practitioner
Post by: XIII on July 12, 2008, 02:52:28 AM
I've had practice with various Binaural beat software, and I don't recommend using it, simply because it may become a crutch. It's healthier to simply do normal meditation, and skip the easy road; you'll gain more control in the long run.
Title: Re: Fundamental Dynamic Psi for the Beginning Practitioner
Post by: Dillon02003 on July 14, 2008, 11:35:41 PM
I've had practice with various Binaural beat software, and I don't recommend using it, simply because it may become a crutch. It's healthier to simply do normal meditation, and skip the easy road; you'll gain more control in the long run.

Thanks, I really appreciate the advise!  I am not very good at meditation though...  I have what i guess you could call "Internal ADD"  Instead of external distractions, my thoughts distract me (I made it up to explain it).  I learned to use this to my advantage with TK though, as a technique for "clearing the mind".
Title: Re: Fundamental Dynamic Psi for the Beginning Practitioner
Post by: XIII on July 16, 2008, 02:04:38 AM
Most people are like that. Just take some time, have perseverance, and you'll fix it.
Title: Re: Fundamental Dynamic Psi for the Beginning Practitioner
Post by: ryo257ma on July 31, 2008, 11:50:22 AM
I just realized, I think I've already done a bit of focal meditation when I was a kid. We used to have little contests to see who could stare at an object the longest without blinking and I did it so long that everything around the object disappeared, i literally couldn't see anything other than the object. one thing though, rather than black, everything around turned white. I haven't done it in years though. I tried last night, (not a candle though) and I actually started seeing some really trippy things, like flickering in the walls, things getting glowing edges and such. So I'm trying again tonight.
Title: Re: Fundamental Dynamic Psi for the Beginning Practitioner
Post by: ChezNips on August 28, 2008, 12:23:52 PM
I dont recommend binaural beat software, rather an audio file or a CD to use.  My reasoning is that I know many, including myself that get very bad headaches trying it out.  I much prefer the use of something not so forceful that combines the binaural beats with music to relax.  It can become a crutch if its used and relied upon exclusively but yes, you really should learn to meditate on your own first and then branch out from there.  For myself, I live with several other people and I often go to sleep when other people are awake and making noise so slipping on some headphones to shut out the world a bit more is bonus.

Secret Rose:  Yes meditation can help with an asthma attack but I really urge you to look into biofeedback more specifically.  Ed and Alyce Greene of the Menninger institute have written a great deal that helps a person control functions of the body such as heart rate, breathing and other functions.  Just please use it with caution as with anything else.
Title: Re: Fundamental Dynamic Psi for the Beginning Practitioner
Post by: PaperMan on September 10, 2008, 09:16:21 PM
I'm completely new when it comes to matters like this, although it seems strangely familiar. Anyways, when I try Focal Meditation I begin to feel some sort of strange sensation that is similar to what was described in kobok's article, but it also comes with another sensation, or paranoia, that I'm being watched. For some reason I feel threatened and I get worried that I'm opening myself up to see/experience something I don't want to and I end up losing that focus. Does anyone have any idea what might be causing this? Is this all just in my head? Ha, Well I guess technically that statement is true regardless. Sorry if I'm being vague but It's hard for me to find words to describe that feeling. Perhaps trying something new is just freaking me out and I need to relax. =)
Title: Re: Fundamental Dynamic Psi for the Beginning Practitioner
Post by: Hero on June 30, 2009, 03:21:28 PM
whenever i practiced trataka I would stare at the candle just long enough to let its light to leave its afterimage into my eyes when closed then as the image starts to fade I tried to keep it there and reinforce it with my focus seeing how long i could keep it there.

 lucid dreaming goes hand in hand with focus meditation. the mind is cleared of distraction then focused into control of the consciousness becoming lucid.

hmmm the feeling of being watched to . probably allowing subconscious fears to enter.whether its outter or inner forces causing them they have to be overcame
 even  dreams sometime involve unwanted stuctures ect. 

remember when in a focused state your senses are heightened, making even the slightist sound etc. seem more significant. this state can be a good thing as tunnel vission is bad.

If scared its best to create a stronger connection to the soul and inner calmness and warmth before proceeding. that way even if someone is arround you'll be clear headed.
Title: Re: Fundamental Dynamic Psi for the Beginning Practitioner
Post by: Roufas on July 22, 2009, 04:12:18 AM
Hello!

I have a very hard time visualizing things in my head. For example , my wife says when she closes her eyes and start imagining things , it is like entering a whole different world , full of colors.
Well , when I close my eyes , all I can see is darkness. If I try real hard sometimes I can see as if there were "grey sketches" of things I am trying to imagine. My dreams are mostly in black and white too.

I seem to be able to keep sort of focused on the candle flame but that requires me to strain my eyes ...
My question is , how am I supposed to focus my mind on the candle if I cannot really visualize it?
Title: Re: Fundamental Dynamic Psi for the Beginning Practitioner
Post by: iiosnem on July 22, 2009, 12:04:25 PM
Hello!

I have a very hard time visualizing things in my head. For example , my wife says when she closes her eyes and start imagining things , it is like entering a whole different world , full of colors.
Well , when I close my eyes , all I can see is darkness. If I try real hard sometimes I can see as if there were "grey sketches" of things I am trying to imagine. My dreams are mostly in black and white too.

I seem to be able to keep sort of focused on the candle flame but that requires me to strain my eyes ...
My question is , how am I supposed to focus my mind on the candle if I cannot really visualize it?


I believe that you are in the same place as me: mind weakness and lack of training.

Maybe your wife is like that naturally born big kid who steals other children's money between class. And you and I are those skinny one. But one day, we choose to try the gym and after discipline and hard work, we get strong too.

What do you think?
Title: Re: Fundamental Dynamic Psi for the Beginning Practitioner
Post by: Roufas on July 22, 2009, 09:19:24 PM
Heh , that could be it. A spiritist friend told me I could have some kind of blockage too though , so I do not really know , that is why I was asking in the hopes that someone with knowledge on this could point out :)
He was saying something like "meditating on colors was very important" , according to him each color had its own significance.


Could it be that we have other senses more attuned though? So maybe sensing the candle´s flame heat or just sensing its position or something like that?
I know that I can remember the places of things in my room in the dark , even though I do not really imagine it.I really only "see" darkness. This only seem to work with large things for me though , doing that with a small flame would be very hard if not impossible :x

Title: Re: Fundamental Dynamic Psi for the Beginning Practitioner
Post by: Steve on July 23, 2009, 07:18:06 AM
Hello!

I have a very hard time visualizing things in my head. For example , my wife says when she closes her eyes and start imagining things , it is like entering a whole different world , full of colors.
Well , when I close my eyes , all I can see is darkness. If I try real hard sometimes I can see as if there were "grey sketches" of things I am trying to imagine. My dreams are mostly in black and white too.

I seem to be able to keep sort of focused on the candle flame but that requires me to strain my eyes ...
My question is , how am I supposed to focus my mind on the candle if I cannot really visualize it?

Read a book (fantasy, sci-fi, fiction, romance, whatever). After a set of action occurs, aka an event, close your eyes and imagine what just happened. Keep doing that until you're able to visualize the events to a clarity of your liking. Try to envision every detail you can, making up what the book does not tell you, and try to fluidly visualize the action as it transpires.

~Steve
Title: Re: Fundamental Dynamic Psi for the Beginning Practitioner
Post by: Roufas on July 24, 2009, 07:17:05 PM
Thank you , I will try that :)

You think I should first get a grasp of visualization before I start to seriously meditate , or should I consider this simply an "extra" task?
Title: Re: Fundamental Dynamic Psi for the Beginning Practitioner
Post by: Steve on July 25, 2009, 03:42:49 PM
Start meditating now.

~Steve
Title: Re: Fundamental Dynamic Psi for the Beginning Practitioner
Post by: darthlobo on January 28, 2010, 05:00:31 PM
I tried focal meditation today by focusing on a pencil I placed on the floor of my room.  At one point the pencil seemed to become apart of the carpet; does this mean I was on the right path of focal meditation, or does it simply mean I should blink more?
Title: Re: Fundamental Dynamic Psi for the Beginning Practitioner
Post by: Rawiri on January 28, 2010, 06:43:32 PM
It doesn't really mean anything.

Don't judge whether you're on the right path by all the sensations you will no doubt get as you go on. They can show you're obviously doing something - but ultimately they'll pass away a bit too.

If you can calmly focus, if you have a slow but deep 'unfolding' happening within you and if you can sense your soul...

If your life starts to run all that bit smoother, if you think clearly and feel deeply...but maintain the reigns on those feelings - then rest assured you're on "the right path."

You can tell better by how you go about your daily life - than how you get along when meditating itself. :)
Title: Re: Fundamental Dynamic Psi for the Beginning Practitioner
Post by: darthlobo on January 29, 2010, 05:37:56 AM
Thank you.  I have such a hard time mediating, that it is difficult for me to tell when I am doing it right, let alone using focal correctly.
Title: Re: Fundamental Dynamic Psi for the Beginning Practitioner
Post by: Cheesewheel23 on May 30, 2010, 05:19:57 PM
Is there a general recommended amount of time one should spend solely on focal meditation before moving onto the next lesson? (A week? A month?)
Title: Re: Fundamental Dynamic Psi for the Beginning Practitioner
Post by: Rawiri on May 30, 2010, 06:04:04 PM
In the non-public lessons, focal meditation was done for about 2 weeks before the next lesson.

Time is not a very good measurement, though.

The later lessons require you to have 'found your soul' - so you don't move on until you've done that. It could happen quickly, or it could take a while. Development is different for each person. And of course, meditation is continued afterward.
Title: Re: Fundamental Dynamic Psi for the Beginning Practitioner
Post by: Cheesewheel23 on May 30, 2010, 06:14:59 PM
Ah, that helps a lot. Thank you.
Title: Re: Fundamental Dynamic Psi for the Beginning Practitioner
Post by: amaobi on July 14, 2011, 06:30:54 AM
am too anxious to meditate on ma soul and i know i can do it but i cnt silent my thoughts
Title: Re: Fundamental Dynamic Psi for the Beginning Practitioner
Post by: Akenu on July 14, 2011, 07:21:06 AM
@amaobi:
Few tips:
Focal meditation with candle light, focal meditation with antahkarana symbol
(http://reiki.topcities.com/antahkaranaCLR.gif)

Zai-zen meditation (simple counting of breaths)

Fourfold meditation

japa meditation (om namah PSIvayah should do the trick).
Title: Re: Fundamental Dynamic Psi for the Beginning Practitioner
Post by: Violet on July 14, 2011, 12:19:02 PM
japa meditation (om namah PSIvayah should do the trick).
I lol'd. Brilliant, Awakened! :)
Title: Re: Fundamental Dynamic Psi for the Beginning Practitioner
Post by: Mr.Joker on February 22, 2013, 07:49:16 AM
I am new to all of this but I totaly like it. It's amazing how well you explained all what we need to know as beginners. Thanks!!
Title: Re: Fundamental Dynamic Psi for the Beginning Practitioner
Post by: seanburtonsb on March 14, 2013, 10:54:57 AM
from my experience and understanding of meditation it is more beneficial to do both focal and void meditation rather than doing them separate, its just a matter of slipping into one state of focus, and then naturally allowing your self to slip back to the other by doing this its still extreme concentration thats the focal and the void is when you by sheer will stilling your mind but either way it takes concentration to achieve both so to me they are one in the same...i mean speaking from my own experience. 
Title: Re: Fundamental Dynamic Psi for the Beginning Practitioner
Post by: Akenu on March 14, 2013, 11:02:03 AM
@seanburtonsb: Void meditation is about a complete loss of perception of your body, your mind and your surroundings (no thoughts, no internal input, no external input). I do not think that it can be accomplished during focal meditation, maybe after as a next step.
Title: Re: Fundamental Dynamic Psi for the Beginning Practitioner
Post by: supadude on March 14, 2013, 03:38:07 PM
from my experience and understanding of meditation it is more beneficial to do both focal and void meditation rather than doing them separate, its just a matter of slipping into one state of focus, and then naturally allowing your self to slip back to the other by doing this its still extreme concentration thats the focal and the void is when you by sheer will stilling your mind but either way it takes concentration to achieve both so to me they are one in the same...i mean speaking from my own experience. 
Trying to do both at the same time is counter productive and will ultimately achieve you nothing , seeing as the goals of focal and void meditation are completely opposite. In other words, you cant clear your mind by thinking harder, and you cant focus on one thing while you are trying to clear your head of all things.
Title: Re: Fundamental Dynamic Psi for the Beginning Practitioner
Post by: Akenu on March 15, 2013, 01:47:53 AM
Quote
Void meditation is about a complete loss of perception of your body, your mind and your surroundings (no thoughts, no internal input, no external input). I do not think that it can be accomplished during focal meditation, maybe after as a next step. 

It can be achieve in a way through focal meditation. As the object of your attention should in some way keep your conscious mind occupied. All other external sensations and thoughts will stop. This is a deep state of trance. This is a state of single minded focus or one-point awareness.

Yup, but it still isn't void.