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Title: What if there is no god?
Post by: supadude on July 07, 2014, 01:15:28 PM
What if all that underlies exisence is just that, existence.

  And the god a lot of people think exist is just the equivalent of spritual primordial soup that we all simply developed from?  For me, i don't think there is any god anymore, and if it exists, it is more evil than i or it doesn't care.

 There is always the idea in the back of our heads that somewone or something is watching us.  But it seems like there is nothing. I've gone from evangalistic christian to wiccanism briefly to universalist, i have entartained the thought of a parthenon of gods, lesser gods and spiritual beings and that didnt make sense either.  

I read mars' thread about depression and spiritual evaluations and i gave him karma for that as this depression i have about a lot of things outside of psionics as well as my aptitude in it as was has haunted me for 11 years. Now i am without a god. It is arrogant but for me to give a god my attention it would have to make itself apparent to me. tried as have before no christian or pagan or other god has decided.that i am important enough to talk to. So fuck god.

Sure, i say that in slim hopes that i can piss it off enough to do something, anything.. But even that makes me feel like an ignorant fool just like thousands of greeks prostrating themselves before a volcano babbling prayers to zues thinkng kronos had finally escaped the walls of tartarus. (Sigh)

This is about god as much as it is about personal purpose. On the one hand if there is a god and i do have a purpose i would feel useless if it was mundane and if it wasn't i would be after i had carried it out. On the other hand if there is no god and i have no purpose and just popped into existence then it seems i truely am useless and my lackluster achievements of the mundane are all i have and i don't have much for a life. I'm an overnight cook at a mcdonalds for fucks sake.

My parents filled my head with the Christian idealism of singular purpose and it was my only drive to live at times, evwn after i stopped believing in Christianity i still held fast to the thought that maybe i do have a purpose to whomever diety that presides. Something ro give my worthless life meaning.  Meaning. But at that same effect i would rather not have my life amount to something so small as a singular purpose, no matter how great it is. I almost would rather my life have no meaning to it as the deep underlying cause would probably leave me disturbed, trying to change what cannot be changed. Sort of like a baby that was the byproduct of rape.

So i have long since discarded religion and god filling up the hole that it left with drugs. And when i think back to when i almost died from it.. i kind of wish i would have. Unfair as it would be to all of. my friends and family, at least i would know for sure.

  I have had plenty of success with psionics as it has never really been to hard for me. I have exibited power seemingly equal to the fictional avatar state.  But its never enough, i want there to be a god, i want somebody to blame for this shit. I want him to exist because i already hate him. Mostly i want to know why.
Title: Re: What if there is no god?
Post by: Akenu on July 07, 2014, 01:55:27 PM
I am currently thinking about which role I should take to answer this. As a zealot I would probably yell about God giving us free will and all bad things happening are because of us, etc. As a skeptic I would surely agree with you.
Well, let's take it from Chaos Magick perspective for once. God (Yahweh) is just like any other deities out there, part of our unconsciousness,  with its advantages and disadvantages. Now, each god has his own rise and fall, the reason is that people need to believe in some divine creator, in someone more "higher" who is controlling the world. Why? Because people are scared of the realization that there is NO ONE in control, there is NO plan, we are not aiming anywhere and evolution is purely random, that's called chaos and we are naturally scared of it.
Title: Re: What if there is no god?
Post by: supadude on July 07, 2014, 01:59:26 PM
And to those wondering why i am unsatisfied with my aptitude in psionics is because it only works one way for me though i exibit extreme power in the one thing i can do bit that's the issue itself. I other aspects of psi are a mystery to my brain. But i already know why that is. its just my horrible motivation and my crummy practicing habits. And even as much power as i have, i am considering dropping psionics.

   The only reason i haven't quit is because it is the only proof i have of any spiritual existence. The only person i have ever seen to provide any proof of god that was reasonable was kobok when he said that " matter at it's most fundamental level exists as energy, and this energy expresses itself in different ways to create different types of matter, and for energy to express itself, it becomes a concept. Thus our universe is conceptual at its most basic level, a thought per se. And the only one who could have created this concept is god." And that stuck with me no matter what, preventing my last shred of believing in a high power from evwr being truely destroyed because its logical and completly rational.  And I'm not sure if i could ever put it down anyways, some empathetic reflexes just happen whether i like it or not. It really is a part of me now.
Title: Re: What if there is no god?
Post by: Akenu on July 07, 2014, 02:02:56 PM
The relation between matter and energy is somewhat known, but what kobok calls concept can be just a coincidence, how can we know? We cannot.
You said you are considering to drop psionics. The question is whether psionics did improve your life in any way, if not, feel free to drop it and do something more valuable. If it does improve your life, there is no reason getting rid of it, being lazy is easy, but not always correct.
Title: Re: What if there is no god?
Post by: Hellblazer on July 07, 2014, 02:11:09 PM
I actually understand exactly where your coming from. I don't believe in god at least nothing scripture wise that people call god. I've thought about quitting magick several times because the only thing that really give's me repeatable results are sigils. I've tried everything (at least I think). I've done both high and low magick to get in contact with God, Angels, Even demons. Yet very little has come of it. I've only had one profound experience and that keeps me guessing. As Akenu mention if your practice benefits you then keep at it, if not thing it's always best to move on. I may never be a good magician and that's ok. Do what makes YOU happy.
Title: Re: What if there is no god?
Post by: Mind_Bender on July 07, 2014, 02:24:36 PM
Chaos is the only 'god' I believe in (the primal void of infinite potential - abstract existence, destruction, and creation).

A lot of people wish they believed in a god or that their gods would only listen, but as I have come to understand gods as I ease my way out of parasitic theistic belief (not that theism itself is parasitic), is that gods are mythological. Every god, from tribal stories to comic books, are all myths, versus and poems to convince the mind and masses of meta-human civilizations. I call her Athena, and she is real to me, but others may call her something else. Some will gather knowledge of the gods through study and others through gnosis. But why is Athena real to me? Why do I believe in only chaos yet say Athena is real to me, as if I am a polytheist? Because of myth. The First and Last is Khaos, and Athena, Aphrodite, Apollo are aspects of that chaos. Similar to how angels are understood as divine rays of Yahweh. Yahweh is the One, the angels are projections of this one with unique personalities and abilities, yet they are still confined by the laws and principles of Yahweh because they are merely reflections not distinct consciousnesses.

Since chaos is a void it can encapsulate anything thus helping us navigate the mysteries of this void, and so I decide to place mythological projections within this void so I can have a consciousness I understand and admire to link me, from terrestrial mundane life, to this inspiring potential of chaos, and back again for devotional or magical purposes. The only thing that differentiates this chaos from god is that chaos has no set dogma, no face, and no trully defining name. It allows for me to question my beliefs yet still stay sane in knowing I could be wrong - because chaos encapulates everything.
Title: Re: What if there is no god?
Post by: Akenu on July 07, 2014, 02:27:03 PM
@Mind Bender: I would love to see this as an article :).
Title: Re: What if there is no god?
Post by: supadude on July 07, 2014, 02:31:19 PM
 There is so many thoughts in my head that it seems like its going to burst sometimes and sitting down a.nd meditating does help.  At any given moment there could be a full fledged debate happening in my mind, i constantly am analyzing things and it has been my downfall sometimes like now. Due to that fact i have always been super efficient at reading people, almost as if they wear their thoughts on their sleeves. I am not sure if this is due to any telepathic implement but i can't turn it off.  And that logically makes me feel like i should be practicing to develop this and maybe discern more secrets of the universe but psionics pertains directly to my spirituality and my spirituality is quite a sore spot in my mind. So i go into a burst of a couple months of practice, i attain vulgar results only for it to perplex me in the countless entailments pof the effects i have produced because if i have power, there will always be something more powerful and thus triggers an existential crisis about god and religion and what truely is happening and i become overwhelmed and quit.

Maybe none of you have the answers i seek, but it certainly makes me feel better to talk about it.
Title: Re: What if there is no god?
Post by: Hellblazer on July 07, 2014, 02:34:34 PM
That was deep. In my p.o.v. the god's only have the power we give them and nothing more. All Hail Chaos.  :)

Talking is the first step to clarification. You know how many threads I've created because I'm confused and looking for answers? A lot of them, here, there, and everywhere. Getting things out bro. I've been at this stuff for years and still don't have a clue as to any of it. Every time I learn something, another question pops up. So get it all out.
Title: Re: What if there is no god?
Post by: Akenu on July 07, 2014, 02:35:43 PM
@supadude: I would say the main problem is you base your practice on your belief, belief is a tool, not a building stone, if you build your practice on belief, then your practice will cease whenever your belief is in doubt.

Remember that vision of various geometic shapes you had? You are doing the same thing. You have chosen a cube and you are trying to press everything into it no matter how limiting that shape is.
Title: Re: What if there is no god?
Post by: Mind_Bender on July 07, 2014, 02:46:13 PM
@Akenu: Maybe someday (even though that blurb basically explains everything! Short and sweet!).

@supadude: My mind sometimes goes in tangents as well, but luckily it has calmed down since I have been on my own (not living off my parents). When I am around large groups of people I feel so overwhelmed I have to leave or smoke a bunch of (basil) to stay sane around the empathic sensations and my judgmental projections.

I either go outside and speak to nature and my deific thoughtforms if I am away from home, or scour the internet for articles and videos to distract my mind. Although I will say, daily meditation, easy stretches and breathing help tremendously. I also wear talismanic jewelery that helps either bring in magical current by transmuting the base essence into something useful to me, and as a way to anchor my mind on the actual physical sensation of the jewelery on my skin.
Title: Re: What if there is no god?
Post by: supadude on July 07, 2014, 02:49:46 PM
Akenu; Your right my main motivation at first was belief, belief in a purpose, and i wanted to fufill that purpose with every tool i had at my disposal. And once my humanity hit me in the face with my own limitations i sought to trancend the bounds of my physical body so i could be of more help, and do things i normally couldn't like help my mother with her obesity and heal her injuries , or like when my was diagnosed with spinal menangitis and all i could do is but sit there and be utterly useless.  So there is more than just belief. It used to be a sort of "heal the sick and raise the dead whilst felling my enemies and protecting what i hold sacred" kind of thing.
Title: Re: What if there is no god?
Post by: Akenu on July 07, 2014, 02:53:31 PM
So it was the feel of insecurity, then. Then your goal is clear, question is how close did you come to your goal.

Belief in God is a belief in purpose, in a plan, in a justice. There is no purpose, there is no plan, there is no justice, we have only what we gather with our own hands. You can become able to fulfill your goal, but your hands have to become dirty, no divinity ever helped an athlette to win olympics, his dedication and training did.
Title: Re: What if there is no god?
Post by: Mind_Bender on July 07, 2014, 02:55:15 PM
You can become able to fulfill your goal, but your hands have to become dirty, no divinity ever helped an athlette to win olympics, his dedication and training did.

^Yes.
Title: Re: What if there is no god?
Post by: supadude on July 07, 2014, 03:03:40 PM
Mind Bender; i don't see the correlation of athena being an aspect of chaos to your definition of angels.  Are you saying Athena would be like a ray of your own light?
Title: Re: What if there is no god?
Post by: supadude on July 07, 2014, 03:08:53 PM
Not even close Akenu, as it seemed, to accuire the skills i wish to posess i would be to late to accomplish the the task, thus a futile effort in the first place.
Title: Re: What if there is no god?
Post by: Akenu on July 07, 2014, 03:11:38 PM
Not even close Akenu, as it seemed, to accuire the skills i wish to posess i would be to late to accomplish the the task, thus a futile effort in the first place.

Not really, being late for one occurrence doesn't mean you have to be late for the next occurrence, as well. Magick is like a condom. It's better to have it and not use it, then not having it and needing it. Strange stuff always happen, the question is whether you want to sit there powerless again or you want to have means of controlling it.
Title: Re: What if there is no god?
Post by: supadude on July 07, 2014, 03:23:40 PM
It didn't help me that my father lied to me for over ten years with him proclaiming god jad spoke to him off and on, leading my whole family to homelessness me dropping out.of high school and becoming transient on some religious crusade around the country until i finally realised that he was simply suffering from self delusion. He has since apologised for his actions but a simple apology won't suffice to me for manipulation on that level. For six years i traveled with them sometimes to go my own way for a year or so, and when that house of cards came crashing down, so did my entire religion, my way of life, my meaning and purpose was gone with nothing left except what i am and what i have done.
Title: Re: What if there is no god?
Post by: Hellblazer on July 07, 2014, 03:29:38 PM
Then pick yourself up, quit your whining, and get over it. You think your the only one with a sob story? I've had a craptastic life myself, Hell I just survived the worst three years of my life recently. How and why is beyond me, but I did. I had motivation, I had purpose because I chose to have a purpose. So chose to have a purpose. To be honest I think magick got me through that, although I didn't really train I was casting my will and acting on it. Sorry to be a bit harsh with you, but this kind of stuff isn't new to me. I've read and heard it a million and one times. Life is what you make of it, dwelling in the past keeps you there. Learning from it moves you forward.
Title: Re: What if there is no god?
Post by: supadude on July 07, 2014, 05:03:06 PM
Then pick yourself up, quit your whining, and get over it. You think your the only one with a sob story? I've had a craptastic life myself, Hell I just survived the worst three years of my life recently. How and why is beyond me, but I did. I had motivation, I had purpose because I chose to have a purpose. So chose to have a purpose. To be honest I think magick got me through that, although I didn't really train I was casting my will and acting on it. Sorry to be a bit harsh with you, but this kind of stuff isn't new to me. I've read and heard it a million and one times. Life is what you make of it, dwelling in the past keeps you there. Learning from it moves you forward.


No offense taken. And i could care less for your sympathy or anyone else's. I just need to tell someone. And that was only the tip of the iceburg regarding my issues and problems. I present you this information because it is relevant to the topic. And just because it has been said before does not mean that i have no right to say it myself. And by the way i quit my whining years ago, you might not realise it but you are talking with a grown man.
Title: Re: What if there is no god?
Post by: supadude on July 07, 2014, 05:07:50 PM
  Its not like i don't try hellblazer. I just have this funny way of reasoning my way into depressive thoughts then reasoning my way out in a vicious cycle.

Consider this thread me thinking out loud, there is just too much running through my head and i need a place for it all.
Title: Re: What if there is no god?
Post by: Hellblazer on July 07, 2014, 05:50:46 PM
I get you. I do that sometimes, with the random ideas that sometimes possess me. It's a good thing to get stuff off your chest. I'm glad you started (have already begun) to overcome the past. I know from experience that holding onto the things that have been, won't help the future. We all have our dark secrets, regrets, lies, and shadows of ourselves. Things we'd like to forget, but no matter what we can't. These are our lesson in life, things to learn from and you have taken A step to learning them, as I'm sure you have been. So chin up and go forward.
Title: Re: What if there is no god?
Post by: Shinichi on July 07, 2014, 06:09:32 PM
The nature of god is usually a deeply personal and subjective thing. I could offer a lot of opinions on it, but I suppose I could more simply say that my view of Monad is Nature. Not in the limited "mother nature" context, but in a more "the universe has a natural flow" context. Basic analysis of the physical evolution of nature seems to agree with this context, because of the cycles, evolution, and various other things. A forest seems chaotic until the science behind it is understood, and then its growth can be analyzed and even predicted. As below, so above.

Such ideology isn't really that different from the chaos views that have been discussed here, except that I feel there to be a certain flow within the chaos.

And as for singular purpose. Well, let me just address that as simply as I can. I very strongly believe in fate, and as my understanding of this concept and my working with it has deepened over the years, my belief in this has only grown. It's a rather specific topic that is, in my opinion, very largely misunderstood.

Now, within this idea of fate, which is itself completely independent of any deity (for in most mythologies, even the gods are bound by fate), there is no such thing as "singular purpose." There may certainly be specific things that one should achieve in a given life, but there is never just one of those things. When I practiced divination to the point of obsession, I learned a lot about my own fate, my own "purpose," as well as those of others. Not once did I ever observe, in anyone's fate, a "singular" purpose. Life is just life. Everyone has things they are good at naturally, things they should do. Some people are great parents, some people are great martial artists, some people are great magicians, some people are great teachers, some people suck at teaching but are great researchers. Doing those things which one is good at naturally usually fulfills ones sense of purpose.

Truly, it is that simple. You do not need religion or a deity to give you purpose, because really, they can't. Your purpose is yours to discover, or to create. Your life is yours to live.

One of my favorite quotes from Thomas Jefferson comes from when he spoke against the concept of Divine Salvation: "Every mans salvation is in his own hands."

No god is responsible for your fate, for your purpose, for your life, nor anything else that is yours. Regardless of theology, everyone is ultimately responsible for themselves.



~:Shin:~
Title: Re: What if there is no god?
Post by: Mind_Bender on July 07, 2014, 09:32:10 PM
Mind Bender; i don't see the correlation of athena being an aspect of chaos to your definition of angels.  Are you saying Athena would be like a ray of your own light?

Not quite. She's not a servitor I constructed but an already established archetype that I commune with and admire.

Think of it this way;

Chaos = Yahweh.
Greek Gods (Athena) = Angels

Think of Yahweh as the Sun and Angels as solar flares.
Think of Chaos like the Cosmos and Gods as Planets.
There is the One Big Thing and Other Small Things.

Or,

Within Qabalistic Myth, Yahweh (maybe it's Ain Soph Aur) was First and is Last, the Angels reside between those temporal spheres.
In the case of Greek Mythology, Khaos was First and is Last, and the Gods reside between those temporal spheres.

Athena is simply an extension in a structured and functional conscious form stemming from an abstract void.
Title: Re: What if there is no god?
Post by: Enchia on July 08, 2014, 01:31:32 AM
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For six years i traveled with them sometimes to go my own way for a year or so, and when that house of cards came crashing down, so did my entire religion, my way of life, my meaning and purpose was gone with nothing left except what i am and what i have done.

I'll pick it up from here. It seems like that because of these circumstances you where left in a void, so to speak. Perhaps you could try and find something new that fits your new position. So I would advise to start reading all sort of sources on theology, philosophy, literature and such to get inspired again. What might also be very helpful is to rephrase the question from "What is the purpose of life" to " what is my purpose to my life". This can be a very exciting and trilling journey and also a bit scary if you don't find what you are looking for right away. But as said a wellspring of fresh ideas might help you on you journey so go read, visit seminars, talk to people, visit veritas chatroom or just pm individual members and see what you find and remember that Rome wasn't build in one day.
Title: Re: What if there is no god?
Post by: supadude on July 08, 2014, 12:13:44 PM
Rayn; Really that's what i have always done as well. For me its like losing the will to even do so because i become consumned by my own mind.
Title: Re: What if there is no god?
Post by: Ekstatikos on July 08, 2014, 03:36:41 PM
i become consumned by my own mind.

Is there anything you do that stops this? The mind can be naturally depressive, and tends to attract negative emotions along with its downward trajectory, which can very quickly spiral out of control. If you have any way of noticing when this starts happening and stopping it or reversing it, you should hone that ability at every possible opportunity.

As for the God thing, I'll agree with Enchia. Read philosophy, mythology, anything inspiring, and look within yourself to find your own way again, something that stirs your soul. It doesn't have to be God - it just needs to be an idea powerful enough to break the momentum of ennui/weltschmerz/aporia.

Best of luck to you, please keep us updated.
Title: Re: What if there is no god?
Post by: supadude on July 08, 2014, 06:29:37 PM
 Estatikos; Its a result of deep introspection. Ive been considering working on my astral progection and looking into the ether for the answers i seek.
Title: Re: What if there is no god?
Post by: Hellblazer on July 08, 2014, 06:30:33 PM
Sounds like you have an issue with obsessive thoughts. Might want to get a psyche check up just to be safe. Do such never hurts.
Title: Re: What if there is no god?
Post by: Ekstatikos on July 14, 2014, 06:08:40 AM
Happy birthday today supa, and many happy returns! I hope everything is still going well?

Btw, it is said that doing some extra spiritual work on your birthday is a great boon, since it can set a precedent for the coming year, so work hard ok? ^^

Enjoy!
Title: Re: What if there is no god?
Post by: kobok on July 14, 2014, 10:15:22 AM
tried as have before no christian or pagan or other god has decided.that i am important enough to talk to.

That would presume God has a very small attention span, which I don't think is a warranted premise.  I think the problem most people face is being too loud and mentally assertive to hear anything.  I think God is quite capable of being loud and assertive, but chooses not to be to preserve our free will.  As a result one can't talk to God very well in the midst of asserting our own impressions and expectations of God.  This is ridiculously easy to screw up.

Sure, i say that in slim hopes that i can piss it off enough to do something, anything.

If a very young child while upset says "I don't like you!" to a parent, no emotionally healthy parent will take that very personally.  Surely God is a little more patient and emotionally healthy than a typical parent.  And to God we are all very young.

On the one hand if there is a god and i do have a purpose i would feel useless if it was mundane and if it wasn't i would be after i had carried it out. On the other hand if there is no god and i have no purpose and just popped into existence then it seems i truely am useless and my lackluster achievements of the mundane are all i have and i don't have much for a life.

I think you've internalized the Hollywood version of "destiny" and "purpose" which is designed to fit into compact 2 hour movies, or other finite stories with solid conclusions.  This makes sense when you are trying to make a story for entertainment with a beginning, middle, and end.  However this notion is incompatible with the sort of purpose which would inspire one to create a bunch of immortal souls.

In other words, you cannot "complete" your purpose, because it is not so trivial as that found in a story.  I'll leave you to think about the broader category of purposes creation of an immortal soul implies.

I'm an overnight cook at a mcdonalds for fucks sake.

Hahah.  Well that explains all the angst about God!  Working at McDonalds for too long has to be pretty soul-crushing.  You have my sympathies for that one.

It didn't help me that my father lied to me for over ten years with him proclaiming god jad spoke to him off and on, leading my whole family to homelessness me dropping out.of high school and becoming transient on some religious crusade around the country until i finally realised that he was simply suffering from self delusion. He has since apologised for his actions but a simple apology won't suffice to me for manipulation on that level. For six years i traveled with them sometimes to go my own way for a year or so, and when that house of cards came crashing down, so did my entire religion, my way of life, my meaning and purpose was gone with nothing left except what i am and what i have done.

I'm sure that was crushing and demotivating.  But this is actually great!  You learned more about error and religion than most people ever get the opportunity to experience, and those are valuable lessons.  And your "religion" and "way of life" fell entirely to pieces because they were wrong, and you learned your way past that set of errors that you were born into.  This too is great, because when all of your wrong beliefs have been destroyed, the emptiness which is left provides an opportunity to gradually rebuild something much more correct.

I would urge you mostly to have patience with this process of rebuilding a more correct understanding.  It's the sort of thing that should justifiably take a long time.  One of the core things many of us find most disconcerting is "not knowing" answers to important questions.  The not-knowing can be so uncomfortable that this is what drives many people to seek the simplistic comfort of easy and wrong answers.  Like, "God tells me what to do!" or "This book has all the answers!" or "I'm certain there is no God!"  But you've seen the easy-answer path.  You know it doesn't work out.  So now try the hard path, and be willing to accept the internalized unknown while you gradually fill in the things you can know or understand.
Title: Re: What if there is no god?
Post by: Felidae on July 14, 2014, 02:32:17 PM
Narratively speaking, you're in a good place for things to get better right now... though as always, that's probably less a comfort than it might be(since reality can function on narrative causality but doesn't always do so automatically). Hope you find the answers you seek and a life that's closer to what you want. No need to feel bad about having to work at mcdonalds currently... a lot of people are in a bad position right now*insert rant about capitalism here*. Depression sucks.

The question of god is one that is best answered individually and often doesn't seem to end up in nearly the same place one starts from, but whatever the real answer is or whatever answer you choose to believe in as most likely, you are an individual being with a (relatively) free mind in a large and mysterious world where anything can happen. Once you get past the veneer of a gray reality that this society tries to force one to live in, there is more wonder and horror than anyone can easily conceive in this world and no need to limit yourself to any of the standards of others to exactly what point in that one lives on. Become a real life supervillain if you really want to(not entirely suggesting this, just a possible option as part of the general point).
Title: Re: What if there is no god?
Post by: supadude on July 15, 2014, 09:57:15 AM
Kobok, you are one of the few people i have ever met who "is always right" moreso than i am hahah.    But i have always had the folly of childish ideals, After all its gods fault I'm not a millionare yet so wtf.

Everything is cool Estatikos, but all i did on my birthday was game out on black ops zombies eating tacos.  :cool:

And felldae, I'm only the supervilllain of veritas. :wink:
Title: Re: What if there is no god?
Post by: Shadowx089 on August 03, 2014, 09:58:26 PM
I still hold that if there was no God. I am no longer bound by the ideal of what is right and wrong. Therefore, nothing I do is wrong no matter how much it seems wrong to others, It wouldn't matter to me because to be frank I will suffer no ultimate consequence. Maybe end up in jail and die a bloody way but boy I would have had lots of fun and felt totally free before that came to pass.  My only limit would be my own imagination and people who wanted to stop me. 
Title: Re: What if there is no god?
Post by: supadude on August 05, 2014, 04:40:06 PM
 I sort of unbound in that way as well shadow. But, out of respect for life and humanity i bind myself by the virtue of empathy and compassion. Empathy because i know what it is like to be harmed, and compassion to not wish it upon my fellow man. Those simple truths are godless and are universal. In the end, for humanity to prevail we must all recognise these things as vital to our evolution to a higher state of existence and our survival as a species.
Title: Re: What if there is no god?
Post by: Merlin on August 05, 2014, 07:00:47 PM
If I may, I would suggest getting your GED and looking for a job that you enjoy a bit more. Anything to improve your quality of life will work wonders on your mental health, and might help you to pursue this question from a different state of mind.

If a god exists, then I think the idea that he doesn't care enough to talk to you would take a backseat to the bigger picture that he cared enough to create you.
Title: Re: What if there is no god?
Post by: Shadowx089 on August 13, 2014, 10:50:34 PM
I sort of unbound in that way as well shadow. But, out of respect for life and humanity i bind myself by the virtue of empathy and compassion. Empathy because i know what it is like to be harmed, and compassion to not wish it upon my fellow man. Those simple truths are godless and are universal. In the end, for humanity to prevail we must all recognise these things as vital to our evolution to a higher state of existence and our survival as a species.

I understand this, but at the moment it seems pointless knowing that humans only live a short time and even near the age of death we are but children still. We don't have the ability to achieve a higher evolution unless a culture dominated and forced all to obey.  Which reminds me of a movie I think is coming out. I think they all have to take a pill or something and makes the people dull and logical and unable to express emotions.

So unless everyone took a magic pill to make them purely logical and emotionless. I doubt our species will evolve to a higher state of existence. Unless maybe if we go cyborg and make robot bodies. At any rate it would still be pointless for me or you since we would be dead long before either came into being.

So many negative thoughts in me, its good that God exist or else the world would have another horrible person to add to the collection.
Title: Re: What if there is no god?
Post by: Kyfixorus on December 18, 2014, 12:46:07 PM
God and reality are what your current state of mind represents.
All the gods are legend that you can use to base tour lifestyle around
You will never see a God In the phsyical realm because they break the bounds of reality by existing.(therefor they exist in the conscious)
Their is multiple gods, many more deities, but only one creator.
Another thing to notice is we are also gods our selves, by that I mean we have full control over our wills, but our past lives give you innate traits, aspirations, or they can give you side tracked beliefs that you must realize as the wrong path in life.

The creator is the force that allows existence.
Gods govern the rules life must follow to exist.
Deities are humans with godlike qualities.

We can be creators too, lucid dream and that's apparent.
Title: Re: What if there is no god?
Post by: Merlin on December 18, 2014, 01:27:54 PM
The creator is the force that allows existence.
Gods govern the rules life must follow to exist.
Deities are humans with godlike qualities.

We can be creators too, lucid dream and that's apparent.

That distinction between gods and deities most likely exists only in yor paradigm; in plain English, there is no distinction. Referring to something as a god may more strongly connotate a religious relationship, but that's all.
Title: Re: What if there is no god?
Post by: Kyfixorus on December 18, 2014, 02:55:58 PM
My stance on gods is the will nature provides in sustaining our lives.

Think if everyone used chi,
Think if we all became harmonized and balanced with our inner selves.
Now we have to remember yin and yang. How it applies to life and death,
and even further into light and dark/good and evil.
 The themes in culture all try and mimic the same goals.
Attaining perfection.
But on earth perfection is impossible because yin and yang always
have different amounts of prevalence acrossed the world.
But In the higher and lower realms you can find them in abundance.
Explain how we as a human race can decline spiritually, when spirituality
is the key ingredient in accepting what and who we are rather than
Fighting it and ignoring it. It lets shamans be shamans, allows mages to become
Sages. And the rich to become slaves and the poor to become rich. The basis of
Energy of all shapes and sizes is in an essence the same as the collective conscious.
All in the same just a different name and brain.
Knowing religious themes, and the similarities. Even in esoteric philosophy it all shares
The same thing. Speaking of a heaven, a higher place, altered states of concious.
Is prolonged use of meditation really going to give you glimpses of an afterlife,
Or is it all just a dream you have yet to wake up from?
Title: Re: What if there is no god?
Post by: Mind_Bender on December 18, 2014, 07:41:04 PM
Deity comes from the Latin 'dei' which translates into English as 'god' and 'the Creator' is an aspect of the main God which governs over many gods, or its role in the cosmic and spiritual structure is as creator rather than destroyer or bringer of love.
Title: Re: What if there is no god?
Post by: attempting on February 28, 2015, 10:44:47 AM
The whole topic of this thread is moot to me because I have personally experienced proof of God/dess, the great lodge in action, and gained a few siddhis. I wish everyone else was that lucky.
Title: Re: What if there is no god?
Post by: Shadowx089 on March 13, 2015, 09:15:20 PM
The whole topic of this thread is moot to me because I have personally experienced proof of God/dess, the great lodge in action, and gained a few siddhis. I wish everyone else was that lucky.

Thus we must ask! Why are we not all that lucky? Why will my brothers and sisters never be given the eye opening realization that God exist? Why are some people lucky and everyone else seem completely abandoned?
Title: Re: What if there is no god?
Post by: Mind_Bender on March 15, 2015, 09:35:31 PM
Hard work and a willingness to face our darkest desires and fears yet still be able to rise from the death and torment of a fractured reality. I also believe it comes down to not fearing a lack of faith for true clarity. There is also the common mishap of interpreting our idea of divinity as the only true form instead of realizing deity, being externally real or internally perceived, may be different for others.