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Title: Exercise 4: Dantian meditation experiences
Post by: Koujiryuu on June 07, 2013, 12:29:20 PM
Post your experiences with Dantian meditation here.
Title: Re: Exercise 4: Dantian meditation experiences
Post by: Impervious on June 08, 2013, 12:30:34 PM
Day 1 (Yesterday)
Duration: Unsure, probably closer to 20 minutes than to 30
Experiences: This was a very tough meditation for me. I've never tried to focus on an area of my own body like this before, and it was nearly impossible for me to maintain my focus. I was prodding my stomach at least once every five minutes to try to feel where my Dantian was. Since I was hardly able to meditate during this time, I have next to no experiences to report. During the few times when I did maintain a degree of focus, it felt like there was something a bit more substantial than just residual pain below my navel, something warm and tingly. So, maybe that was my Dantian, or maybe it was just wishful thinking.
Title: Re: Exercise 4: Dantian meditation experiences
Post by: Koujiryuu on June 08, 2013, 01:16:21 PM
Day 1 (Yesterday)
Duration: Unsure, probably closer to 20 minutes than to 30
Experiences: This was a very tough meditation for me. I've never tried to focus on an area of my own body like this before, and it was nearly impossible for me to maintain my focus. I was prodding my stomach at least once every five minutes to try to feel where my Dantian was. Since I was hardly able to meditate during this time, I have next to no experiences to report. During the few times when I did maintain a degree of focus, it felt like there was something a bit more substantial than just residual pain below my navel, something warm and tingly. So, maybe that was my Dantian, or maybe it was just wishful thinking.

Don't rely on prodding the stomach.

Let your focus relax into that area naturally. It helps to do Wuwei meditation and get in the right mindstate first.

Think of it like the dot in Zen meditation but internalize it. There is no difference between the dot and the Dantian. Tell yourself this over and over, then relax and focus on the Dantian. If you can't "feel" the Dantian that's okay, it has taken some people up to a year to truly "feel" it and know it exists. The important part is to focus on the general area, and just deep breathe. The rest will happen on it's own and at some point you'll truly feel it.
Title: Re: Exercise 4: Dantian meditation experiences
Post by: icefire on June 08, 2013, 01:28:21 PM
Day 1
After some meditation on the dantien I felt like there was a bubble extending from the spot to outside of my body.
Title: Re: Exercise 4: Dantian meditation experiences
Post by: Aprophis on June 08, 2013, 05:04:21 PM
1st + 2nd day:

Yesterday right after wuwei meditation I started doing dantien meditation. But sadly I have to admit defeat, since I started falling asleep during this meditation.

Today after I have focused on my dantien I started feeling warmth slowly spreading outwards from it while I kept my focus. The spot is still pretty warm now, after I have finished meditating for an hour.
Title: Re: Exercise 4: Dantian meditation experiences
Post by: Impervious on June 08, 2013, 07:36:55 PM
Day 2
Experiences:
Today I had almost the same experiences as Aprophis posted. I couldn't seem to focus for the first five minutes, but once I managed to, I felt an intensely warm "pushing" force where I was focusing. With each breath, the pushing feeling seemed to expand over my torso, until eventually most of my body felt the same way. It's about ten minutes later now, and I can still feel a pretty intense feeling at my Dantian. I also feel really energetic now.
Title: Re: Exercise 4: Dantian meditation experiences
Post by: Koujiryuu on June 08, 2013, 09:08:29 PM
Good indication you are doing it right, Impervious.
Title: Re: Exercise 4: Dantian meditation experiences
Post by: icefire on June 09, 2013, 08:29:53 AM
Day 2
30 mins. I felt some pulsing warm movement going through the center line of the body. I got pretty energetic after the 30 mins and did a good session of bodyweight excercises after that. My concentration went to the dantien often when I was doing incline pushups and situps. Looks like this excercise will be another favorite of mine.
Title: Re: Exercise 4: Dantian meditation experiences
Post by: Eniri on June 09, 2013, 01:13:54 PM
Day 1
Meditated on the Dantian for 15 minutes immediately after 30 minutes of wuwei meditation. I stopped once my mind started wandering off and it was more like I was ping-ponging my attention between the Dantian and other thoughts.

Assuming I was meditating on the right thing, it seemed like the Dantian was like a drain. As I concentrated on it, it looked like energy flowed in to it from the sides. I tried "tapping" at it and it felt like there was a film or something over it, which is why the energy only entered in at the edges and didn't flow straight through. I didn't try to break the mold over it, although it seemed like a few cracks opened up from the meditation. The energy and flowing I'm describing was to me like water, and if it had any feeling, it was somewhat cool.

Edit
Day 2
22 minutes immediately after 30 minutes of void meditation. I briefly felt something like vibrations. Not sure if the meditation was less effective in the heat. Nothing else remarkable.
Title: Re: Exercise 4: Dantian meditation experiences
Post by: jimdare on June 10, 2013, 03:29:25 AM
Hmm, I find this meditation quite easy. I guess it helps that I have been focusing on my dantien for the past few years in my martial arts class. I find it a bit hit and miss, sometimes it feels really intense and other times I can hardly feel it all. During these intense periods, it feels like a vibrating pulse around where I think my prostate gland is located. Sometimes I can expand this feeling to the rest of my body and it feels like a warm vibrating blanket has been put over me. On a couple of occasions this blanket has actually seemed heavy, like it's pushing/pulling me down into the ground. I have this is similar to the stomach dropping feeling you get on a roller coaster, but more prolonged.
Title: Re: Exercise 4: Dantian meditation experiences
Post by: icefire on June 10, 2013, 12:55:08 PM
Day 3
30 minutes on the bed on my back. Got into it fast and easy, reminded me of the zen meditation of last week. Sometimes concentration would slip and I would follow some sensation up into the chest or head. Boost of energy I get from this is nice.
Title: Re: Exercise 4: Dantian meditation experiences
Post by: Koujiryuu on June 10, 2013, 08:08:42 PM
My experience.

I had already done Wuwei meditation for about 40 minutes before beginning this. I relit my sage and continued to deep breathe. Since I was in the proper mindset already I focused my attention on the lower Dantian. I continued to deep breathe with the focus in the abdomen. Within about 5 minutes my gonads began tingling heavily. I could feel immense Qi in the Dantian itself, and this extended out into the abdomen and lower back. As I breathed I could feel Qi coming into the Dantian. I began to feel a 'pulling' sensation downward on the Conception (renmei) meridian. I felt Qi moving from the heart area to the Dantian down this vessel. Eventually, I felt a strong magnetic pulling feeling in the Dantian itself, and I perceived Qi being pushed out around it on either side of it. As I continued, this feeling only increased. I kept deep breathing and kept my awareness focused on that center. Of course, I had all of the other effects from my Wuwei meditation experience, so I felt strong energy all over the body at this point. I could feel my Wei Qi, my aura, my Dantian, as well as Kundalini in my back and spine. However, as I continued with the Dantian meditation I also felt what felt like "movement" around the belt (Daimei) meridian. It felt somewhat hot. I kept going for about 30 minutes total, and at some point I felt "full" so I stopped. Even now, I feel strong Qi in my body and aura.
Title: Re: Exercise 4: Dantian meditation experiences
Post by: Nan on June 11, 2013, 08:28:20 AM
When I started focusing on the Dantian I got an uncomfortable tight feeling and the muscles around my navel went taut. Update tomorrow. Followed immediately after the Wuwei meditation.
Title: Re: Exercise 4: Dantian meditation experiences
Post by: Shadow_Dragon on June 11, 2013, 10:16:40 PM
After doing Wuwei Meditation for 30 minutes, my mind was hard to keep focused in a continued sitting. I was also tired from working all night, so I only did this for 15 minutes. I noticed that I was able to feel my Dantian, and that I felt somewhat pulled into it, if you understand what I mean. I felt energized and yet calm afterwards, and I'd like to be able to keep this up for a full 30 minutes. It seems the hardest aspect of the exercise is to remain focused, and I will continue to try and master that aspect.
Title: Re: Exercise 4: Dantian meditation experiences
Post by: Akenu on June 12, 2013, 12:10:24 AM
I actually do this meditation automatically so I have nothing unusual to report, it's also easy for me to maintain focus on all dantians so there were no troubles either.
Title: Re: Exercise 4: Dantian meditation experiences
Post by: Aprophis on June 12, 2013, 12:52:45 PM
The last days not much changed, but yesterday I started feeling something like pressure coming from my dantien additionally to the warmth, as if there's a physical sphere pushing outwards. Today it felt like I was drawn towards it and as if energy was flowing from my chest down into it and also energy flowing up my thighs into the dantien.
Title: Re: Exercise 4: Dantian meditation experiences
Post by: jimdare on June 12, 2013, 05:33:16 PM
I struggle to get my right knee down, and it hurts my hip at the beginning.  After a few minutes of meditation, this pain disappears as I move into a deeper trance. After about ten minutes I feel a tingling sensation over my entire body, with emphasis on the crown of my head, and my hands.  After 30 minutes my thoughts are significantly reduced. but not absent.   
Title: Re: Exercise 4: Dantian meditation experiences
Post by: Shinichi on June 13, 2013, 08:07:54 PM
I actually started practicing this around the time we started week one. I got interested in it, and Kouji said I could.  :P

One of my biggest experiences with this meditation has actually come from that first week. A few days into it, I got to concentrating particularly well on the dantien. I had "found" it, and so I no longer use the poke thing (really, the sooner you can concentrate on the actual dantien, the better).

In concentrating that night, I got kind of absorbed in the dantien. Its "feeling" got stronger, and my awareness sunk into it. Not a literal "sinking," as much as the majority of my awareness was on the warmth of the dantien--my surroundings, my thoughts, and everything else did not matter at that time. Only the dantien. In this concentration, I simply breathed and observed. With my awareness centered on the dantien, I felt more energy, and I felt my energy move all through me, over me and round me. As I inhaled, I somehow ended up doing Bardons practice of Pore Breathing without intending to--that is just what my body did, it seems. And so, inhaling, concentrating on the dantien, I felt qi flow not just through my nose but through the entirety of my being as, not my lungs, but my dantien its self inhaled.

It was a very strong experience, which I am not sure I can accurately put in words. It only lasted a moment, and but my dantien was very strongly warm and tingly even into the next morning. Suffice to say, I think I did something right, and I have spent the rest of my time since trying to relax back into that state of concentration and relaxation. And, make no mistake, that is what it was--do not concentrate on the dantien so hard that veins pop. Relax, and simply be aware of the dantien. Focus your awareness, so that you are aware of nothing else. Then, just breathe. This, as I have found, is a very good way to practice dantien meditation.

Other than that, in the last few weeks, I have had a lot more energy that I did before. And, I have noticed something about my hair. See, I was born with orange red hair, and over the years it settled into a sort of auburn--a very nice color between red and brown, almost like having natural highlights (and if you don't know what that is, read a fashion magazine!). But, over the last few years, it has settled into being more brown than red. Today, however, I have noticed that it is more red than it was last month. The "red" half of the red-brown mix is a little stronger.

Now, the shade of ones hair color changes based on many things, from sun exposure to vitamins and other things. I can't say that my hair is getting healthier because I am practicing qi gong. But...I haven't been practicing anything else different, so take it for what you will.



~:Shin:~
Title: Re: Exercise 4: Dantian meditation experiences
Post by: Koujiryuu on June 13, 2013, 08:41:09 PM
Quote from: Shin
It was a very strong experience, which I am not sure I can accurately put in words. It only lasted a moment, and but my dantien was very strongly warm and tingly even into the next morning. Suffice to say, I think I did something right, and I have spent the rest of my time since trying to relax back into that state of concentration and relaxation. And, make no mistake, that is what it was--do not concentrate on the dantien so hard that veins pop. Relax, and simply be aware of the dantien. Focus your awareness, so that you are aware of nothing else. Then, just breathe. This, as I have found, is a very good way to practice dantien meditation.

This is exactly what proper Dantien meditation is.

The key to having this kind of experience again, and prolonging it, is to let go and just breathe with the attention in the lower abdomen. Don't have any expectations or preconceptions about what will happen. Just forget about it and breathe.
Title: Re: Exercise 4: Dantian meditation experiences
Post by: Shinichi on June 13, 2013, 08:44:45 PM
Don't have any expectations or preconceptions about what will happen. Just forget about it and breathe.

And therein lies the difficulty.  :P

The most simple things are often the hardest to master.



~:Shin:~
Title: Re: Exercise 4: Dantian meditation experiences
Post by: Eniri on June 14, 2013, 11:19:37 AM
I have no clue if I'm meditating on the Dantian properly or not. I haven't had anything interesting to report except a mild vibrating sensation except I feel that when doing other meditations and before I fall asleep. I look to find it the same way when I scan for things so I think I should have the right thing ... it's so difficult to be certain.
Title: Re: Exercise 4: Dantian meditation experiences
Post by: SMFforumID on June 25, 2013, 12:33:49 PM
I haven't had any success with this one until after doing it after doing Baduanjin excercises. I felt the "warmth" around my lower tantien area. This sensation of warmth felt different from other sensations of warmth that I have felt. The best way I could describe it is that it is similar to the warmth that is felt from drinking alcohol, but the sensation is below the stomach not in it. Once I felt this sensation, it didn't last too long maybe a minute or so. I also have tried this exercise laying down, but with no success. Also, my attention keeps getting drawn up to head while doing this exercise because I feel more sensations there then in the lower tantien. I'm starting to wonder if something is "blocked' causing me to have a harder time feeling the lower tantien but an easier time feeling the upper tantien. Any thoughts or suggestions on this?
Title: Re: Exercise 4: Dantian meditation experiences
Post by: Koujiryuu on June 25, 2013, 01:25:47 PM
I haven't had any success with this one until after doing it after doing Baduanjin excercises. I felt the "warmth" around my lower tantien area. This sensation of warmth felt different from other sensations of warmth that I have felt. The best way I could describe it is that it is similar to the warmth that is felt from drinking alcohol, but the sensation is below the stomach not in it. Once I felt this sensation, it didn't last too long maybe a minute or so. I also have tried this exercise laying down, but with no success. Also, my attention keeps getting drawn up to head while doing this exercise because I feel more sensations there then in the lower tantien. I'm starting to wonder if something is "blocked' causing me to have a harder time feeling the lower tantien but an easier time feeling the upper tantien. Any thoughts or suggestions on this?

It may or may not be a blockage. If your awareness is constantly drawn to the head, this might just mean that you're drawn to the head for some reason. I think it's more a product of your mind, and willpower, than any kind of blockage. Some people are drawn to certain areas of the body more. The key is to let go of this notion, not expect anything, and meditate on the area you need to meditate on.

Dantian meditation comes easier for some people than it does for others. You may need to stick with it and continue before really "getting it". I suggest devoting a half hour a day to solely Dantian meditation, probably after doing Wuwei meditation until you blank out. If you have the time, do an hour a day or two hours a day until it "clicks" and you really get it and notice sensations in the Dantian. Again, don't let the mind wander. It may be useful to go back and do more Zen meditation on the dot to train your mind to detach and shift it's focus to a certain point.

It is possible to meditate on the Upper Dantian but this is an advanced practice and not for beginners. Improper meditation on the Upper Dantian can cause a gathering of Qi in the head that will be very strong and difficult to move. This energy will stagnate and cause Shen to become clouded and possibly disperse. It can lead to Qigong disease and illnesses of the mind.

It may also be useful to read some of the experiences of other posters and their advice in this and other threads about letting go and just breathing. It sounds like you have preconceptions about what is "supposed" to happen. The truth is, when you are first beginning you may feel nothing at all 99% of the time. This is not bad, it just means that you're going through a stage in training where your doubts and belief will be tested. If you can stick with the practice and detach, you will notice effects eventually. It sounds like you have already experienced some true feeling of the lower Dantian and this is good, but you must not attach to the experience or think that every experience with Dantian meditation will or should be like that.

Hope this helps.
Title: Re: Exercise 4: Dantian meditation experiences
Post by: Shinichi on June 25, 2013, 02:36:00 PM
Also, my attention keeps getting drawn up to head while doing this exercise because I feel more sensations there then in the lower tantien. I'm starting to wonder if something is "blocked' causing me to have a harder time feeling the lower tantien but an easier time feeling the upper tantien. Any thoughts or suggestions on this?

Follow Kouji's advice on releasing preconceptions, and practice wuwei or zen before dantien. Just control your attention and awareness, and focus it on the dantien. Don't strain, or struggle. Just relax, and pay attention to the dantien. There might be all sorts of other sensations, you might even feel energy move through the meridians in all kinds of ways after you get more sensitive. But don't pay attention to that, just let the other sensations do what they want and keep your attention where it is supposed to be--on the dantien.



~:Shin:~