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Title: <<<<<<< USA Entering the Final Phase >>>>>>
Post by: The Yellow Magician on April 26, 2013, 11:08:18 PM
US people very proudly, for decades, thought itself above and beyond, separate and above from the rest of the world, while the homeland was kept safely under the wings of their Zionist master banksters in London and the politicians in Washington that puppet for them. However, by the events seen in these last two weeks, attacks that used to happen in those poor, pitiful, uneducated third-world countries, now also happen in the US, so that, together with the way of a weak and dying Dollar, sharp price increases to about everything from food to basics, ailing home prices that do not recover, high and growing unemployment and the ever increasing dependency of countless millions of USA people to be fed by their government due to their inability to do so independently, makes us, those outside the USA, think the US DESERVES A WARM WELCOME TO THE THIRD WORLD.  :cool:

Even though it is a sad spectacle to see, I thank God, we are entering the metaphysical age of no more greedy wars that used fake pretexts to rape poor nations and steal their resources for the elite banksters in the name of freedumb and demoncrazy. I am sure you are all as glad as I am.

USA has, undubitably, entering a new phase and the result will be world peace will now have a bigger chance to happen. The uni-polar world is dying and it is giving way to a multi-polar world lead by BRICS. I am sure more and more countries are going to join them. May peace prevail on Earth. Amen.  :cool:




  
Title: Re: <<<<<<< USA Entering a New Phase >>>>>>
Post by: Koujiryuu on April 26, 2013, 11:14:17 PM
...What?

Delusional and/or paranoid much?
Title: Re: <<<<<<< USA Entering a New Phase >>>>>>
Post by: The Yellow Magician on April 26, 2013, 11:19:50 PM
...What?

Delusional and/or paranoid much?

People tend to find offense in what they are not willing to accept. You are people. :cool:
Title: Re: <<<<<<< USA Entering a New Phase >>>>>>
Post by: Koujiryuu on April 26, 2013, 11:42:33 PM
I didn't take offense to anything.

I just stated that your comments are ripe with conspiracy theory words like "Zionist" and "Elite banksters".

Also, a hint: Your thread title is borderline inflammatory and overly sensationalist. It seems like with thread titles and posts like this, you're just aiming to draw attention to yourself, regardless of whether or not it is negative or positive.

What's the point?

I'll just uh, go ahead and move this thread to "The Cafeteria".
Title: Re: <<<<<<< USA Entering a New Phase >>>>>>
Post by: Enchia on April 26, 2013, 11:49:20 PM
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makes us, those outside the USA, think the US DESERVES A WARM WELCOME TO THE THIRD WORLD.

Please, speak for yourself.
Title: Re: <<<<<<< USA Entering a New Phase >>>>>>
Post by: The Yellow Magician on April 27, 2013, 12:31:05 AM
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makes us, those outside the USA, think the US DESERVES A WARM WELCOME TO THE THIRD WORLD.

Please, speak for yourself.

I just have, Thank you. :cool:

I didn't take offense to anything.

I just stated that your comments are ripe with conspiracy theory words like "Zionist" and "Elite banksters".

Also, a hint: Your thread title is borderline inflammatory and overly sensationalist. It seems like with thread titles and posts like this, you're just aiming to draw attention to yourself, regardless of whether or not it is negative or positive.

What's the point?

I'll just uh, go ahead and move this thread to "The Cafeteria".


Oh, well. Your thoughts. :cool: I am entitled to my thoughts as well. Especially so when there is reason behind them.  :cool:

Your finding it amusing, incredible, inflammatory, derogatory, sensationalist, incendiary or a peyorative, is only your personal perception, and as such, it is a subjective matter. You can move this thread with impunity, but cannot coerce my thinking.

The US was used by the banksters to create the very same mayhem the US now suffers in her own territory a day and the next, as well. 15 years ago, Americans would have proudly said that all these attacks were so ghettoish and third-worldish, and would have thought the savages needed to know civility a la Americaine . Now, it's at home, and people around the world see it as lack of civility, just like the countless wars in which the US has gotten involved as the main attacker. :wink:

Your hint is wrong, pal. You came to the wrong conclusion and didn't even ask me, before you arrived at a wrong conclusion. The title is not attracting. It's the contents where I spill the beans with my rhetoric you seem to despise to hear. The Comillas  <<<< >>>> are a personal flavor added. I may use them whenever I feel like using them, with impunity. I am not breaking a rule, am I? What is not written is permitted, so if you and your friends dislike it, go run to add a rule for it. :cool: But what you cannot do is rule my thoughts and the ideas I post. :cool:

And for what I care about the useless karma script, you can make it go to 100 and that will not change a thing. I continue to think that you guys need to update your old scripts from almost 10 years ago. This site is so 2005!!!!  :wink:

Mod-Edit: Consolidated posts.
Title: Re: <<<<<<< USA Entering a New Phase >>>>>>
Post by: The Yellow Magician on April 27, 2013, 06:47:44 PM
Mod-Edit: Consolidated posts.

« Last Edit: Today at 11:07:58 by Silver_Archer »

Thanks, Silver Archer.  :cool:
Title: Re: <<<<<<< USA Entering a New Phase >>>>>>
Post by: kobok on April 27, 2013, 09:00:54 PM
I hate to break it to you, The Yellow Magician, but we "US people" have experienced killing and violence since even before the birth of our nation...  There's no new phase here.  In fact, we're still doing a pretty excellent job of having a period of reduced violence.  The events of recent weeks were tragic.  But when you compare them to the size of the country, they are statistically quite small.  For example, the Boston Bombing event increased our national homicide rate by about 1/50th of 1% of its previous value.  (For comparison, your own nation's homicide rate is about 500% of what ours is.)

Why then was it on the news so much?  Simple.  We don't like such violence, and we want to actively minimize such events.  So we launched a massive investigation, and caught up to the guys quickly.

Rather than trying to talk about how much you think the US is changing, perhaps you should assert some of that energy you have for comparing nations into trying to fix your own.  We do work on fixing our problems, but your own nation has a lot of work to do to purge all that criminal corruption in politics and law enforcement.  Rather than wishing for our downfall, try raising yourself up.  We would welcome it.
Title: Re: <<<<<<< USA Entering a New Phase >>>>>>
Post by: The Yellow Magician on April 28, 2013, 01:42:23 AM
I hate to break it to you, The Yellow Magician, but we "US people" have experienced killing and violence since even before the birth of our nation...  There's no new phase here.  In fact, we're still doing a pretty excellent job of having a period of reduced violence.  The events of recent weeks were tragic.  But when you compare them to the size of the country, they are statistically quite small.  For example, the Boston Bombing event increased our national homicide rate by about 1/50th of 1% of its previous value.  (For comparison, your own nation's homicide rate is about 500% of what ours is.)

Why then was it on the news so much?  Simple.  We don't like such violence, and we want to actively minimize such events.  So we launched a massive investigation, and caught up to the guys quickly.

Rather than trying to talk about how much you think the US is changing, perhaps you should assert some of that energy you have for comparing nations into trying to fix your own.  We do work on fixing our problems, but your own nation has a lot of work to do to purge all that criminal corruption in politics and law enforcement.  Rather than wishing for our downfall, try raising yourself up.  We would welcome it.
I am not the only one saying it.  :cool:

Number One? 20 Not So Good Categories That The United States Leads The World In
 By Michael, on July 5th, 2011   
Is the United States "number one"?  Many Americans take deep pride in their nation and the truth is that the U.S. has a lot going for it.  The United States has the largest economy in the world.  The United States also has the most powerful military on the entire planet.  The United States has produced most of the greatest movies that the world has ever seen.  But the United States is also number one in a lot of categories that are not go great.  If we ever want to turn this country around, we need to be very honest with ourselves.  We need to take a long, hard look in the mirror and realize that it is not a good thing that we are number one in divorce, drug addiction, debt, obesity, car thefts, murders and total crimes.  We have become a slothful, greedy, decadent nation that is exhibiting signs of advanced decay.  Until we understand just how bad our problems really are, we won't be able to come up with the solutions that we need.

A lot of people that write articles like this have a deep hatred for America.  But that is not the case with me.  I love the United States.  I love the American people.  America is like an aging, bloated rock star that has become addicted to a dozen different drugs.  America is a shadow of its former self and it desperately needs to wake up before it plunges into oblivion.

If you do not believe that America is in bad shape, just read the list below.  The following are 20 not so good categories that the United States leads the world in....

#1 The United States has the highest incarceration rate in the world and the largest total prison population on the entire globe.

#2 According to NationMaster.com, the United States has the highest percentage of obese people in the world.

#3 The United States has the highest divorce rate on the globe by a wide margin.

#4 The United States is tied with the U.K. for the most hours of television watched per person each week.

#5 The United States has the highest rate of illegal drug use on the entire planet.

#6 There are more car thefts in the United States each year than anywhere else in the world by far.

#7 There are more reported rapes in the United States each year than anywhere else in the world.

#8 There are more reported murders in the United States each year than anywhere else in the world.

#9 There are more total crimes in the United States each year than anywhere else in the world.

#10 The United States also has more police officers than anywhere else in the world.

#11 The United States spends much more on health care as a percentage of GDP than any other nation on the face of the earth.

#12 The United States has more people on pharmaceutical drugs than any other country on the planet.

#13 The percentage of women taking antidepressants in America is higher than in any other country in the world.

#14 Americans have more student loan debt than anyone else in the world.

#15 More pornography is created in the United States than anywhere else on the entire globe.  89 percent is made in the U.S.A. and only 11 percent is made in the rest of the world.

#16 The United States has the largest trade deficit in the world every single year.  Between December 2000 and December 2010, the United States ran a total trade deficit of 6.1 trillion dollars with the rest of the world, and the U.S. has had a negative trade balance every single year since 1976.

#17 The United States spends 7 times more on the military than any other nation on the planet does.  In fact, U.S. military spending is greater than the military spending of China, Russia, Japan, India, and the rest of NATO combined.

#18 The United States has far more foreign military bases than any other country does.

#19 The United States has the most complicated tax system in the entire world.

#20 The U.S. has accumulated the biggest national debt that the world has ever seen and it is rapidly getting worse.  Right now, U.S. government debt is expanding at a rate of $40,000 per second.

So are you convinced that we are in trouble yet?

The truth is that America has changed.  Most of us don't even say hello to our neighbors anymore.

In fact, we have become so self-involved that many of us don't even notice when someone around us dies.

Just consider the following two examples.

*USA Today recently reported on the body of a dead woman that was not found for approximately a year even though a whole bunch of people walked right past the car where she died....

Bank contractors, inspectors and even the new owner of a foreclosed home walked past the silver Chevy Nova in the garage numerous times before discovering the former homeowner — dead on the front seat.

*In an even more shocking case, the CBS affiliate in Boston recently reported that a dead woman was lying on the bottom of a public pool for two days while large numbers of people swam right over her.  How in the world could something like this possibly happen?....

It’s a mystery as murky as the water at Veteran’s Memorial swimming pool in Fall River public pool: how did swimmers, lifeguards, or inspectors not notice a woman’s body at the bottom of the pool for a few days?

Marie Joseph, 36, was last seen at the pool on Sunday. The pool was open to the public Monday and Tuesday with six lifeguards on duty, and no one noticed the body under 12 feet of water.

Most Americans have become so self-involved that they barely even notice anyone other than their family and close friends.

The love of most Americans is growing cold and when the collapse of the U.S. economy happens it is just going to make things worse.  Instead of working as a community, most Americans will only be concerned with making sure that their own needs are taken care of.

The United States was once the most blessed nation on the face of the earth, but now we are literally falling to pieces.

Does anyone have any ideas about why this could be happening?

http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/number-one-20-not-so-good-categories-that-the-united-states-leads-the-world-in

Besides, this is the most honest 4 minutes in video you will ever see.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMqcLUqYqrs
Title: Re: <<<<<<< USA Entering a New Phase >>>>>>
Post by: kobok on April 28, 2013, 11:02:22 AM
Like I said, "We do work on fixing our problems".  Part of that is looking at the areas where we can improve things, which appears to have been the purpose of the article you are citing.  Yes we have a lot of obesity and incarcerations, and we're attempting to resolve those.  (The second most obese country in the world?  Yours.)  But some of those statistics are just wrong.  For example, we're not first in reported rapes, we're 11th (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics).  But also, "reported rapes" isn't necessarily a bad thing considering one of the most serious problems in that area is that many cultures oppress the reporting of rape.  We've actively ENCOURAGED the reporting of rape in order to REDUCE the frequency of rape, and this has been highly successful.  You will see other countries going through this same process that we went through.  For example, India has been in the international news quite a bit recently as they are working through a similar transition of increasing the reporting of rape, which for them will also likely lead to a reduction of it.  First in total homicides?  Nope.  We're 8th (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate), even after you count the fact that we're third in population.  We're 103rd in the world for homicide RATE, which is the more sensible metric.  Incidentally, know who tops us in total homicides?  Your country, which is third, despite having far fewer people.  Most car thefts?  We're not even in the top ten for car theft rates, but I suppose it's possible we're near the top for total car thefts by virtue of having a lot of them.  Where are we in national debt by GDP?  Roughly 10th as of 2012 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_future_gross_government_debt).  And the pattern continues with many of the rest on the list, where most are either wrong, simply metrics of our high population, or for a number are not even objectively bad things.
Title: Re: <<<<<<< USA Entering a New Phase >>>>>>
Post by: Searcher on April 28, 2013, 01:26:43 PM
I don't want to get involved in this one because although OTT sometimes, YM is commanding attention over others but what I want to make people aware of is the political game: :wink:

Advanced projection indicate a growth in a given area but it is a negative to external investment or to re-election at any level, so to change a negative into a positive a (usually anti) campaign is contrived. The reporting of rape fits this nicely! Also statin's can be seen in the same way which is a subject close to my heart! Obviously YM is using the same principle as he picks and chooses the topics. Also consider their relative positions :confused:

Lets not get into relative percentages :teethy: because they open eyes to the manipulation by money or belief.

Searcher
Love and peace to all
Title: Re: <<<<<<< USA Entering a New Phase >>>>>>
Post by: The Yellow Magician on April 28, 2013, 05:35:18 PM
Like I said, "We do work on fixing our problems".  Part of that is looking at the areas where we can improve things, which appears to have been the purpose of the article you are citing.  Yes we have a lot of obesity and incarcerations, and we're attempting to resolve those.  (The second most obese country in the world?  Yours.)  But some of those statistics are just wrong.  For example, we're not first in reported rapes, we're 11th (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics).  But also, "reported rapes" isn't necessarily a bad thing considering one of the most serious problems in that area is that many cultures oppress the reporting of rape.  We've actively ENCOURAGED the reporting of rape in order to REDUCE the frequency of rape, and this has been highly successful.  You will see other countries going through this same process that we went through.  For example, India has been in the international news quite a bit recently as they are working through a similar transition of increasing the reporting of rape, which for them will also likely lead to a reduction of it.  First in total homicides?  Nope.  We're 8th (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate), even after you count the fact that we're third in population.  We're 103rd in the world for homicide RATE, which is the more sensible metric.  Incidentally, know who tops us in total homicides?  Your country, which is third, despite having far fewer people.  Most car thefts?  We're not even in the top ten for car theft rates, but I suppose it's possible we're near the top for total car thefts by virtue of having a lot of them.  Where are we in national debt by GDP?  Roughly 10th as of 2012 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_future_gross_government_debt).  And the pattern continues with many of the rest on the list, where most are either wrong, simply metrics of our high population, or for a number are not even objectively bad things.


You say the US is working in areas like incarceration, but I pointed to 20 problem areas, not 2.

If we center to the highest incarcerations in the world, and that like you say, the US government is working on it, it's by freeing inmates back to the streets, due to budget cuts to basic services while the Industrial Military Complex continues to milk the system. There are well known records of screwdrivers that supposedly cost $500 dollars and toilet seats for an arm and a leg. Corruption lives happily in the American system.There are a greater amount of problems than those you acknowledge. That also leads me to believe the US should be welcomed to the rest of the world, which must bring the excessive pride of Americans to a reasonable level.

As the world economy is strangled by world bankers to install their new financial system based on carbon taxes and sustainable development, the US has to go down the lowest to be equalized to the rest of nations. Poorest nations  are being equalized by increasing income like Nicaragua, Malaysia and many African nations are seeing their income grow like Nigeria, if the US is not messing up their systems to steal their resources, like Lybia and Syria in Asia Minor.

This is a great Trend Forecaster with an impeccable record of success. Of course, he is an independent thinker and that makes him more respectful and honorable than those who accept the figures on the cooked books. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRgXdX1yja8

I don't want to get involved in this one because although OTT sometimes, YM is commanding attention over others but what I want to make people aware of is the political game: :wink:

Advanced projection indicate a growth in a given area but it is a negative to external investment or to re-election at any level, so to change a negative into a positive a (usually anti) campaign is contrived. The reporting of rape fits this nicely! Also statin's can be seen in the same way which is a subject close to my heart! Obviously YM is using the same principle as he picks and chooses the topics. Also consider their relative positions :confused:

Lets not get into relative percentages :teethy: because they open eyes to the manipulation by money or belief.

Searcher
Love and peace to all

Thank you for giving me some credit for hand picking subjects, but that is oversimplifying the main subject. It is more complex and requires more thought, since it is pervasive to the US financial system.

It's so easy to see (from outside) that the US is not producing wealth to the pace it is spending it http://www.usdebtclock.org/. See the red ink spilling over to the companies, individuals, states, counties and everything living within the borders of the US and even the world. Now you see the US exporting inflation through the ailing dollar, to unsuspecting nations that need to start devaluing their currencies by printing useless currency with no backing with anything of value like the US has cheated the world since 1971, when it quit backing the ailing dollar with Gold.  :cool:

For those of us who have our savings, we have ran away from the US Dollar for some time, knowing quite well the epicenter of the coming world crash is none other than the USA. Gold, silver and other resources, rule.  :cool:

 
Title: Re: <<<<<<< USA Entering a New Phase >>>>>>
Post by: kobok on April 28, 2013, 09:09:36 PM
You say the US is working in areas like incarceration, but I pointed to 20 problem areas, not 2.

And I explained why most of them were incorrect to list.

If we center to the highest incarcerations in the world, and that like you say, the US government is working on it, it's by freeing inmates back to the streets

Actually, you apparently don't understand the nature of the problem.  Half of our prisoners are incarcerated for non-violent offenses.  Half of those are for non-violent drug offenses.  And mostly our number of people is higher than elsewhere because our prison terms are longer.  So step #1 to reducing incarcerations is to change the way we have been fighting a "war on drugs" into treating drug addiction as a social problem requiring treatment and rehabilitation, and to start legalizing medical and recreational use of non-harmful drugs like marijuana.  And if you are paying any attention lately, you'll know we are in the gradual process of doing that.

As for letting people out early, that doesn't seem the appropriate solution unless you consider that the people we are letting out early are the non-violent offenders with good behavior, which are exactly the kinds of people who would get shorter sentences anyway in most other countries.  This should probably be handled in a more systematic manner by correcting sentencing guidelines, which is a political battle that is ongoing.  But early release for the least harmful prisoners is preferential to having intolerable conditions in our prisons, and is simply making us more like other nations.

There are well known records of screwdrivers that supposedly cost $500 dollars and toilet seats for an arm and a leg.

This is something that only sounds ridiculous to people who have never filled out a budget for a federal grant application.  I have.  While I did not pad mine in this manner, the reasons a person would are quite understandable.  Frequently a grant will request a complete itemized budget, consisting of EVERYTHING a project will need.  And then the grant will only award money equivalent to the items on the list, or more often, 2/3rds or 3/4ths of the total generated by the items on the list.  The reason people pad is because it's extremely difficult to list in advance every expense a project will have over the next year or multiple years.  What grants DO allow you to do, is itemize for one thing, then redirect that money to buy another thing instead.  So maybe you itemized for a toilet seat.  But did you itemize for the uniform for the worker who will install the toilet seat?  How about his toolbelt, and the protective gloves he will wear?  When you start including all the expenses it actually takes to do things on a budget, it comes out to a lot more than most people realize.

This is not really corruption so much as a byproduct of bureaucratic inefficiencies that, ironically, come from trying too hard to micromanage costs.

It's so easy to see (from outside) that the US is not producing wealth to the pace it is spending it http://www.usdebtclock.org/. See the red ink spilling over to the companies, individuals, states, counties and everything living within the borders of the US and even the world.

Since this is a source that YOU chose, I will assume you trust it.  If you look again, you'll see the "total national assets" greatly exceeds the "US Total Debt".  And more importantly, total national assets is GROWING MUCH FASTER than US Total Debt.  In other words, we're gaining assets faster than we are gaining debt.  This means we are, on the whole, producing wealth significantly faster than we are spending it.  Note, this is your chosen source (http://www.usdebtclock.org/) which has revealed that we are in the positive and moving in a healthy direction.  All you have to do is examine the actual numbers.

Now you see the US exporting inflation through the ailing dollar, to unsuspecting nations that need to start devaluing their currencies by printing useless currency with no backing with anything of value like the US has cheated the world since 1971, when it quit backing the ailing dollar with Gold.

lol.  We quit backing the dollar with gold because it made no economic sense to do so, and we realized that there wasn't enough gold available to represent the actual value of our currency.  There is only $8 trillion worth of gold in the entire world, and we have a GDP of twice that every year.

How can this be?  Simple.  Gold doesn't have much intrinsic value compared to everything else we make.  The people who act like gold has "real" value while other currencies are "fake" are basically just economic nutters.  These views have been discarded by the entire field of economics because they don't make any real sense.  Why should gold have an intrinsic value?  There are only a few things gold can REALLY be used for, like making shiny jewelry, and it has some value like copper does for making electronic components.  Other than that, it's basically a useless clump of soft metal.  Other things like computers, houses, bread, and milk, have far more practical utility.  Gold's utility as a currency is therefore not intrinsic to gold.  It is based on the perception that other people will WANT gold in the future.  In other words, gold has value only by convention and agreement, and a belief that people will want it later.  For this reason, the value of gold can rise and fall.  Go look at gold prices.  They have dropped since the fall of 2011 when they last peaked.  Why?  Because the recession started to recover, and people stopped buying gold.  That means the demand for gold went DOWN, and thus the VALUE of gold went down.  Its value isn't intrinsic or fixed.  It fluctuated based on an arbitrary speculative demand.  Issued currencies are the same thing, except they come with a specific advantage.  Currencies can be elastic, and a central bank can expand or contract the currency supply to keep important economic variables steady and promote economic stability.  A large part of why we recovered so quickly from what otherwise would have been a very serious economic depression WAS the elastic currency system we use.  The federal reserve lending rate was lowered sufficiently that businesses could afford to weather the storm, and then invest and expand.  They did exactly that, and now both spending and employment are rising, resulting in favorable repayment of that lending.

Please consider studying these systems carefully by reading about them (rather than watching conspiracy theory videos) before criticizing them.

the rest of the world, which must bring the excessive pride of Americans to a reasonable level.

You never really did explain what personal experiences you've had in your border town that have made you so bitter.  Care to share those?
Title: Re: <<<<<<< USA Entering a New Phase >>>>>>
Post by: The Yellow Magician on April 29, 2013, 01:04:22 PM
Like I said, "We do work on fixing our problems".  Part of that is looking at the areas where we can improve things, which appears to have been the purpose of the article you are citing.  Yes we have a lot of obesity and incarcerations, and we're attempting to resolve those.  (The second most obese country in the world?  Yours.)  But some of those statistics are just wrong.  For example, we're not first in reported rapes, we're 11th (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics).  But also, "reported rapes" isn't necessarily a bad thing considering one of the most serious problems in that area is that many cultures oppress the reporting of rape.  We've actively ENCOURAGED the reporting of rape in order to REDUCE the frequency of rape, and this has been highly successful.  You will see other countries going through this same process that we went through.  For example, India has been in the international news quite a bit recently as they are working through a similar transition of increasing the reporting of rape, which for them will also likely lead to a reduction of it.  First in total homicides?  Nope.  We're 8th (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate), even after you count the fact that we're third in population.  We're 103rd in the world for homicide RATE, which is the more sensible metric.  Incidentally, know who tops us in total homicides?  Your country, which is third, despite having far fewer people.  Most car thefts?  We're not even in the top ten for car theft rates, but I suppose it's possible we're near the top for total car thefts by virtue of having a lot of them.  Where are we in national debt by GDP?  Roughly 10th as of 2012 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_future_gross_government_debt).  And the pattern continues with many of the rest on the list, where most are either wrong, simply metrics of our high population, or for a number are not even objectively bad things.


Even if you were correct, you forgot to address the lowering of your standard of living, your closing down, shutting down, scaling down, of government offices throughout the US, of businesses of every imaginable kind, services, your exploding homeless population, several families living in a single home, tent cities in every large and not so large city and I will reserve more examples for your following answers.

The US used to know expansion. The new phase is retraction, scaling down, minimizing, lowering and closing of everything that stood as  above other nations. The US is becoming equalized to the rest of the world. That´s why I say, I extend a welcome to the US to the third world. I know, you and others despise to hear it and it sound horrid and insulting, but someday, if you haven´t already and are only shy to accept,  you will acknowledge your country, the Ol´ United States of America has reached the sundown as the shortest empire in the history of mankind.  :cool:
Title: Re: <<<<<<< USA Entering a New Phase >>>>>>
Post by: kobok on April 29, 2013, 08:31:23 PM
Actually, homelessness is down since 2007.  As for tent cities, those are unbelievably rare.  (I looked for lists of these, and the best estimate I can find is that there are only about 1000 people total living in "tent cities" in the US.  That's 1 person for every 300,000 people, which is a very rare phenomenon.)  The unemployment rate continues to fall amidst steady job growth.  Consumer spending and incomes are both rising.  Government services were scaled back during the recession, particularly at the state and local level (e.g., shorter hours at some government offices, and some parks temporarily closed), but many of these are being returned to more normal function now as the money flow has returned, and most state and local governments have returned to stable or balanced budgets.

Your statements do not correspond to facts.  I think you have once again failed to look any of them up before making them, and are simply engaging in wishful thinking derived from your malicious desires.
Title: Re: <<<<<<< USA Entering a New Phase >>>>>>
Post by: The Yellow Magician on August 06, 2014, 04:24:31 PM
Actually, homelessness is down since 2007.  As for tent cities, those are unbelievably rare.  (I looked for lists of these, and the best estimate I can find is that there are only about 1000 people total living in "tent cities" in the US.  That's 1 person for every 300,000 people, which is a very rare phenomenon.)  The unemployment rate continues to fall amidst steady job growth.  Consumer spending and incomes are both rising.  Government services were scaled back during the recession, particularly at the state and local level (e.g., shorter hours at some government offices, and some parks temporarily closed), but many of these are being returned to more normal function now as the money flow has returned, and most state and local governments have returned to stable or balanced budgets.

Your statements do not correspond to facts.  I think you have once again failed to look any of them up before making them, and are simply engaging in wishful thinking derived from your malicious desires.



Fail.

Your statements are based on US government cooked books, since Dow Jones continues to climb up, but that´s due to mere inflation and not due to the increase of wealth. Debt continues to soar like there is no tomorrow and the WELFARE, MEDICARE and DISABILITY and UNEMPLOYMENT recipients continue to shamefully grow for the US to continue being an economy worth the trouble of printing a hegemonic currency.

I highly recommend you hit the facts and the books about economic issues, really. You are way old school as you remained at the time when the US was Numero 1, in the 80s and even 90s, some 20 years ago, now.
Title: Re: <<<<<<< USA Entering a New Phase >>>>>>
Post by: kobok on August 06, 2014, 06:31:02 PM
Fail.

Your statements are based on US government cooked books, since Dow Jones continues to climb up, but that´s due to mere inflation and not due to the increase of wealth. Debt continues to soar like there is no tomorrow and the WELFARE, MEDICARE and DISABILITY and UNEMPLOYMENT recipients continue to shamefully grow for the US to continue being an economy worth the trouble of printing a hegemonic currency.

I highly recommend you hit the facts and the books about economic issues, really. You are way old school as you remained at the time when the US was Numero 1, in the 80s and even 90s, some 20 years ago, now.

While I'm sure many politicians would love to do so, the U.S. government doesn't have the luxury of cooking its books on the economy.  While there ARE important government reports about the state of the economy, MOST reports about the state of the economy are produced by independent expert economists, mostly working in academia, and accountable to no one for their conclusions other than their own reputation.  And in fact, I do READ many reports generated by these experts.  How much time have you spent reading peer-reviewed journal articles on economic conditions?

Medicare and Medicaid expanded only because we intentionally expanded these programs as part of our attempt to provide universal health care coverage.  This change improves our long term economic stability by safeguarding the health of more workers.  I don't even need a report to know that unemployment has gotten much better.  I live here.  It's quite easy to see that people are having a much easier time getting jobs now than they were just a few years ago.  You can go ahead and ask a bunch of people from the U.S. if the people they know are having an easier time getting jobs than a few years ago, and you will find the obvious answer that yes, they are.

So when you find no one taking those comments of yours seriously (again), it will not be because we are government-following sheep.  It will be because you are in contradiction to all the experts AND the plain evidence we experience in front of our faces.

The only part of what you just said that is partly right is that the debt continues to rise.  It does, but that's on purpose, because all of the best economic understanding says that one SHOULD increase debt during a recession as part of a systematic national stimulus.  Numerous European nations took the alternate approach of austerity (the sort of thing you favor), and tried to reduce their debt during the recession, and they are paying a heavy price now with damaged economies (which is what listening to you would do).  All of the nations which followed good economic theory and engaged in stimulus are experiencing good recovery.  So yes, the debt is intentionally increasing.  And I want it to do that.  The deficit however is decreasing, and I want that too.  The decreasing deficit is because we are well into the recovery phase, and thus it is time to slow the rise of the debt so that we can allow GDP growth to reduce the percentage of GDP which the national debt represents.  This important debt parameter is currently at 105%, which is 7/8ths of its peak in 1946.  Due to improving GDP growth, the debt as a percentage of GDP is no longer rising, and about to start decreasing.  Feel free to crack open some economic books yourself if anything in this paragraph is unclear.
Title: Re: <<<<<<< USA Entering a New Phase >>>>>>
Post by: The Yellow Magician on August 06, 2014, 08:36:47 PM
While I'm sure many politicians would love to do so, the U.S. government doesn't have the luxury of cooking its books on the economy.  While there ARE important government reports about the state of the economy, MOST reports about the state of the economy are produced by independent expert economists, mostly working in academia, and accountable to no one for their conclusions other than their own reputation.  And in fact, I do READ many reports generated by these experts.  How much time have you spent reading peer-reviewed journal articles on economic conditions?

Medicare and Medicaid expanded only because we intentionally expanded these programs as part of our attempt to provide universal health care coverage.  This change improves our long term economic stability by safeguarding the health of more workers.  I don't even need a report to know that unemployment has gotten much better.  I live here.  It's quite easy to see that people are having a much easier time getting jobs now than they were just a few years ago.  You can go ahead and ask a bunch of people from the U.S. if the people they know are having an easier time getting jobs than a few years ago, and you will find the obvious answer that yes, they are.

So when you find no one taking those comments of yours seriously (again), it will not be because we are government-following sheep.  It will be because you are in contradiction to all the experts AND the plain evidence we experience in front of our faces.

The only part of what you just said that is partly right is that the debt continues to rise.  It does, but that's on purpose, because all of the best economic understanding says that one SHOULD increase debt during a recession as part of a systematic national stimulus.  Numerous European nations took the alternate approach of austerity (the sort of thing you favor), and tried to reduce their debt during the recession, and they are paying a heavy price now with damaged economies (which is what listening to you would do).  All of the nations which followed good economic theory and engaged in stimulus are experiencing good recovery.  So yes, the debt is intentionally increasing.  And I want it to do that.  The deficit however is decreasing, and I want that too.  The decreasing deficit is because we are well into the recovery phase, and thus it is time to slow the rise of the debt so that we can allow GDP growth to reduce the percentage of GDP which the national debt represents.  This important debt parameter is currently at 105%, which is 7/8ths of its peak in 1946.  Due to improving GDP growth, the debt as a percentage of GDP is no longer rising, and about to start decreasing.  Feel free to crack open some economic books yourself if anything in this paragraph is unclear.

If someone knows the state of the US economy, that is Obama.

How about letting the current US President address every single issue in your response? I want you to prove him wrong. I am sure you will exercise your repertoire of excuses, buts and changes in what he intended to say. Let's exercise these neurons. :wink:

Obama: The US Government Is Broke!
http://www.businessinsider.com/obama-the-us-government-is-broke-2009-5

The whole interview can be found at:
http://es.scribd.com/doc/15766379/Obama-Interview
C-SPAN INTERVIEW TRANSCRIPTPresident Barack H. Obama
Host: Steve ScullyTape Date: Friday, May 22, 2009Air Date/Time: Saturday, May 23 at 10:00 am ET
Title: Re: <<<<<<< USA Entering a New Phase >>>>>>
Post by: kobok on August 06, 2014, 10:52:21 PM
If someone knows the state of the US economy, that is Obama.

How about letting the current US President address every single issue in your response? I want you to prove him wrong.

He's not "wrong" there.  He also is not contradicting anything I said.  You simply need to understand the language and the context of the discussion he was having in May 2009.  This is Obama in the midst of advocating for the Affordable Care Act, a major legislative process about health care which started in 2009 and was passed in 2010.  As part of this, he had to get out in front of Republican opposition declaring that we cannot pass health care reform because it costs too much.  So he had to go out there on all the news outlets and present himself as the more fiscally responsible party.  This is why he says "Well, we are out of money now.  We are operating in deep deficits, not caused by any decision we've made on health care so far."  What he MEANS by "we are out of money now" is exactly what he says, that we are spending more than we are bringing in.  This can be defined as "out of money", because there is not enough revenue to meet expenditures.  This is also the definition of "deficit", and is also what happens every time the value of the debt increases slightly.  He's NOT saying the debt cannot rise higher, or that the debt cannot be paid off.  In fact, there was an entire other conflict later over authorizing the rising of the debt, in which it was demonstrated that I am correctly describing his view.
Title: Re: <<<<<<< USA Entering a New Phase >>>>>>
Post by: The Yellow Magician on August 07, 2014, 03:32:04 AM
If someone knows the state of the US economy, that is Obama.

How about letting the current US President address every single issue in your response? I want you to prove him wrong.


He's not "wrong" there.  He also is not contradicting anything I said.  You simply need to understand the language and the context of the discussion he was having in May 2009.  This is Obama in the midst of advocating for the Affordable Care Act, a major legislative process about health care which started in 2009 and was passed in 2010.  As part of this, he had to get out in front of Republican opposition declaring that we cannot pass health care reform because it costs too much.  So he had to go out there on all the news outlets and present himself as the more fiscally responsible party.  This is why he says "Well, we are out of money now.  We are operating in deep deficits, not caused by any decision we've made on health care so far."  What he MEANS by "we are out of money now" is exactly what he says, that we are spending more than we are bringing in.  This can be defined as "out of money", because there is not enough revenue to meet expenditures.  This is also the definition of "deficit", and is also what happens every time the value of the debt increases slightly.  He's NOT saying the debt cannot rise higher, or that the debt cannot be paid off.  In fact, there was an entire other conflict later over authorizing the rising of the debt, in which it was demonstrated that I am correctly describing his view.


 :) Of course he is not wrong. The International Monetary Fund, the World Bank, many presidents, the European Union, many senators, and many bankers have said the same, over the years.

Still, you fail to see that Bush, in his presidency a few years back, tried to get rid of Social Security for the very same reasons. There is no money to continue funding it and, thus, the solution is to create a new healthcare that will lower the standards, in line with a sinking economy that is about to falter by losing its hegemony, by bringing in Obamacare. The industrial jobs that enjoyed good pay are now in China and you only need industrial cities that were the pride of the empire in its hayday, like Dallas, being left to her out of luck. You fail to see Bush pointing in the direction taken now by Obama.

Besides, in your response, you don't touch on AGENDA 21 and the New World Order which the countries are hurrying to usher in. Why do you thing countries are speeding up to a frantic pace the changing of so many laws and militarizing the police and you see the nations bankrupting their countries? The UNITED NATIONS is pushing its agenda for the nations to usher in the new system based on electronic money, micro-chipping the world population, AGENDA 21, CODEX ALIMENTARIUS, RESOURCE BASED ECONOMY, SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT, the NEW WORLD ORDER, and many other subjects. Nationality, like being a US CITIZEN is becoming obsolete; do some reading about the coming United Nations' sponsored GLOBAL VILLAGE. Do some serious reading.

Of course, the ignorance on the previous subjects may lead you to quickly label everything as conspiracy theory, therefore, I highly recommend you search the United Nations involvement on the changes happening in your country and around the world, as they work in symphony with the subjects I touch in this post.

Too bad this forum lacks the scripts for  this decade and a video cannot be seen in the same post and page, but I already complained about it. Here, let me throw you a link, so you can start your research.

"Agenda 21" The UN's diabolical plan for the world is explained on the "Glenn Beck Show"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esJY2SK_4tE

Yellow Magician.  :cool:
Title: Re: <<<<<<< USA Entering a New Phase >>>>>>
Post by: Enchia on August 07, 2014, 04:07:18 AM
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"Agenda 21" The UN's diabolical plan for the world is explained on the "Glenn Beck Show"

Lol, Glenn Beck is your source of information.
Title: Re: <<<<<<< USA Entering a New Phase >>>>>>
Post by: Shinichi on August 07, 2014, 05:06:31 AM
I see your Beck and raise you one Kaku.

Civilization Types:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GooNhOIMY0

A global government isn't a conspiracy. It should be considered as nothing more than a simple step in social evolution, if this back water rock even makes it that far. It's progress, and it's what the people want. Like it not, the internet has globalized the world, and everyone is starting to think of people in other countries the way Americans think of people in other states.



~:Shin:~
Title: Re: <<<<<<< USA Entering a New Phase >>>>>>
Post by: The Yellow Magician on August 07, 2014, 09:59:53 AM
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"Agenda 21" The UN's diabolical plan for the world is explained on the "Glenn Beck Show"

Lol, Glenn Beck is your source of information.

If you don't like Glenn Beck, there are many other sources to read from or watch videos of. Prefer Michiu Kaku? LOL.

What matters is that people become less ignorant of the facts. You can choose your level of information as well...
Title: Re: <<<<<<< USA Entering a New Phase >>>>>>
Post by: The Yellow Magician on August 07, 2014, 10:21:31 AM
I see your Beck and raise you one Kaku.

Civilization Types:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GooNhOIMY0

A global government isn't a conspiracy. It should be considered as nothing more than a simple step in social evolution, if this back water rock even makes it that far. It's progress, and it's what the people want. Like it not, the internet has globalized the world, and everyone is starting to think of people in other countries the way Americans think of people in other states.



~:Shin:~

Thanks for the video, Shin. The guy is really a Scientist? Can I present my facts by speaking to you about a cartoon of Tom & Jerry or you prefer some about the Pink Panther?

Michio Kaku in the video speaks about his favorite prejudices or personal ideas about civilization, which no one has seen or there are hard facts one can research about HIS supposed types of civilization. Yet, he speaks matter-of-factedly as if he has seen such types of civilization, while the fact is that humanity hasn't seen other than what we have had. The rich elite in the planet wants to install a new kind of civilization based on globalization. This guy isn't a scientist but a propagandist. I piss on "scientists" of such a short stature and on that kind of "science".

A "Scientist" uses movies to present the propaganda he wants to spread. What type of science does the US now have?  :confused: At least Glenn Beck shows a book you can search for and read and a lot of people with names you can research to find if his facts are correct...

Raise me to harder facts, Shin. That short "scientist" is similar to the presstitutes of the trusting US free press who read the teleprompter with the news that the government gives them about the crisis being over, which they have read every three months since September 11, green shoots, turning the corner, the new economy, and so many more phrases.
Title: Re: <<<<<<< USA Entering a New Phase >>>>>>
Post by: kobok on August 07, 2014, 02:41:40 PM
Still, you fail to see that Bush, in his presidency a few years back, tried to get rid of Social Security for the very same reasons. There is no money to continue funding it and, thus, the solution is to create a new healthcare that will lower the standards, in line with a sinking economy that is about to falter by losing its hegemony, by bringing in Obamacare. The industrial jobs that enjoyed good pay are now in China and you only need industrial cities that were the pride of the empire in its hayday, like Dallas, being left to her out of luck. You fail to see Bush pointing in the direction taken now by Obama.

Well let me summarize by simply saying Bush is an idiot.  Both literally, as in his brain does not function well, and in terms of his analysis of policy.  Bush attempted to get rid of Social Security because this safety net contradicts Republican philosophy for governance.  They do not like the notion of a government program administering a portion of our retirement system, because Republicans feel this detracts from their choice.  Of course, the reason for keeping it is what we learned during the Great Depression, that a government program as a portion of retirement provides a better safety net than an all-investment approach.  Thus the existence of Social Security promotes the fiscal security of society.  To accomplish his goals of privatizing Social Security, Bush basically flat out lied about it being insolvent.  This is not out of character, because Bush was prone to lying to push his policies (like claiming Iraq had WMDs).  If you believed his statement about its insolvency, then you simply bought into his silly lie.  Social Security is not insolvent because there IS NO REAL SOCIAL SECURITY TRUST FUND.  That's not how the program works, nor how it has ever worked.  Social Security started paying out money on day one, and started collecting money on day one.  The money collected from workers went to the money paid out to retirees.  And, that's STILL how it works.  The money collected from taxation on workers goes to the money paid out to retirees.  The idea of a "trust fund" grew out of this fictitious notion about the money being saved up during a time when the money being collected from payroll taxes (separate from income taxes) exceeded the money paid out to social security.  That money was not saved up, because that's not how our budget really works.  The social security trust fund cannot run out because it has never existed.  The money paid out to retirees has ALWAYS come from taxation on workers, and it will continue to do so for as long as we choose to keep the Social Security system around.  And since it is an extremely popular program, this will likely be a long time.

Besides, in your response, you don't touch on AGENDA 21 and the New World Order which the countries are hurrying to usher in.

...  Maybe because I'm not crazy?  :-P

I'm sure I explained to you before that Agenda 21 is a harmless and minor UN plan developed at a sustainability conference.  It has no teeth, is non-binding, and essentially has no effect at all other than being an advisory list of suggestions for promoting environmental sustainability.  So not only is its content pretty much harmless, since it is powerless to change anything, it is basically one of the most inconsequential things you could think to name.  I'm frankly surprised you are still engaged in conspiracy theories about it.  I thought maybe you would find new conspiracy theories to buy into by now.

do some reading about the coming United Nations' sponsored GLOBAL VILLAGE. Do some serious reading.

The UN's Global Village appears to be a simple agenda to address the serious issue of borderless cyber-crime.  There's nothing alarming to me about this.  I consider this a serious issue that does require some international cooperation.

I highly recommend you search the United Nations involvement on the changes happening in your country and around the world,

I do follow the actions of the United Nations.  Mostly the United Nations disappoints me because it is a largely ineffectual agency in a world which is rapidly becoming a single global society.  In the next few decades we will need to either restructure the United Nations or replace it with a different sort of agency which can actually get things done at a global scale.  And I do anticipate paranoia from conspiracy theorists such as yourself when this happens, but likely we sensible people will proceed forward anyway.

"Agenda 21" The UN's diabolical plan for the world is explained on the "Glenn Beck Show"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esJY2SK_4tE

Speaking of crazy...  Glenn Beck is a lunatic, and he's rambling incoherently in that video.  I have nothing to refute about that video because he doesn't actually MAKE any coherent points.  It is just 14 minutes of emphatic emotion.

A "Scientist" uses movies to present the propaganda he wants to spread. What type of science does the US now have?  :confused:

O_o  He's a mainstream scientist.  Here's one of his more important science books. (http://www.fulviofrisone.com/attachments/article/483/M%20Kaku%20-%20Quantum%20field%20theory%20(a%20modern%20introduction)(T).pdf)  Good luck understanding it.

Here (http://www.amazon.com/Visions-Science-Will-Revolutionize-Century/dp/0385484992) Michio Kaku published a book which covers the same topic as the video Shinichi linked.  You can find plenty of excerpts online for free.

At least Glenn Beck shows a book you can search for and read and a lot of people with names you can research to find if his facts are correct...

Come on now...  Are you actually taking yourself seriously?  Here's one of Glenn Beck's books for you to fact check (http://www.amazon.com/The-Real-America-Messages-Heartland/dp/0743496965).  Amazon's "Look Inside" feature lets you read a few pages before buying.  This is sufficient, because it only takes until page 2 before Glenn Beck announces his diagnosis of "borderline schizophrenic".  I will quote your beloved Glenn Beck, "We all feel a wide range of emotions, and as a borderline schizophrenic, I assure you my range is wider than it should be."  Allow me to quote the symptoms of his condition to you (source (http://www.understand-schizophrenia.com/borderline-schizophrenia.html)), "The hallmark of the diagnosis is extremely strange behaviour and presentation, speech and thinking. They do not usually experience overt episodes of psychosis, but may do say briefly when they decompensate under stress. Clinically they have odd beliefs or magical thinking, unusual perceptual experiences, paranoid behaviour, odd, eccentric or peculiar behaviour, there is excessive social anxiety and a lack of close friendships."  So why don't you go back and rewatch that Glenn Beck video where he rants emotionally with a paranoid conspiracy theory with his self-described mental condition in mind.
Title: Re: <<<<<<< USA Entering a New Phase >>>>>>
Post by: Ekstatikos on August 08, 2014, 12:22:42 AM
US people very proudly, for decades, thought itself above and beyond, separate and above from the rest of the world, while the homeland was kept safely under the wings of their Zionist master banksters in London and the politicians in Washington that puppet for them. However, by the events seen in these last two weeks, attacks that used to happen in those poor, pitiful, uneducated third-world countries, now also happen in the US, so that, together with the way of a weak and dying Dollar, sharp price increases to about everything from food to basics, ailing home prices that do not recover, high and growing unemployment and the ever increasing dependency of countless millions of USA people to be fed by their government due to their inability to do so independently, makes us, those outside the USA, think the US DESERVES A WARM WELCOME TO THE THIRD WORLD.  :cool:

Even though it is a sad spectacle to see, I thank God, we are entering the metaphysical age of no more greedy wars that used fake pretexts to rape poor nations and steal their resources for the elite banksters in the name of freedumb and demoncrazy. I am sure you are all as glad as I am.

USA has, undubitably, entering a new phase and the result will be world peace will now have a bigger chance to happen. The uni-polar world is dying and it is giving way to a multi-polar world lead by BRICS. I am sure more and more countries are going to join them. May peace prevail on Earth. Amen.  :cool:

YellowMagician, your apparent glee at what you take to be the immanent downfall of a nation, and all the pain and suffering that that would entail, shows a shocking lack of empathy. If the US has made mistakes then it is up to the globe to point out those mistakes and move forward from there. Not BRICS nor any other single group will 'lead the world', our progress depends on the cooperation of all nations, not against major world powers, but alongside them (I say this as a citizen of one of the BRICS countries).

If leadership fails, we attempt to replace that leadership as peacefully and democratically as possible, and move on. This doesn't always work, but it is better than just standing on the sidelines spitefully hoping the 'big bullies get what's coming to them'. That is not a useful way of thinking, and not something that will move this planet in the direction of progress.
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Post by: Steve on August 09, 2014, 06:11:24 PM
I have a couple of questions for you, The Yellow Magician.

Since you hate scientists and science so much, where would you prefer our knowledge and understanding of the world come from? From you? From Glenn Beck? What makes anyone else qualified to start telling people what is or is not true about the world, above and beyond what a scientist is allowed to tell people?

This is not a set of sarcastic questions, but are indeed quite seriously asked.

~Steve
Title: Re: <<<<<<< USA Entering a New Phase >>>>>>
Post by: The Yellow Magician on August 11, 2014, 08:05:44 PM
Still, you fail to see that Bush, in his presidency a few years back, tried to get rid of Social Security for the very same reasons. There is no money to continue funding it and, thus, the solution is to create a new healthcare that will lower the standards, in line with a sinking economy that is about to falter by losing its hegemony, by bringing in Obamacare. The industrial jobs that enjoyed good pay are now in China and you only need industrial cities that were the pride of the empire in its hayday, like Dallas, being left to her out of luck. You fail to see Bush pointing in the direction taken now by Obama.

Well let me summarize by simply saying Bush is an idiot.  Both literally, as in his brain does not function well, and in terms of his analysis of policy.  Bush attempted to get rid of Social Security because this safety net contradicts Republican philosophy for governance.  They do not like the notion of a government program administering a portion of our retirement system, because Republicans feel this detracts from their choice.  Of course, the reason for keeping it is what we learned during the Great Depression, that a government program as a portion of retirement provides a better safety net than an all-investment approach.  Thus the existence of Social Security promotes the fiscal security of society.  To accomplish his goals of privatizing Social Security, Bush basically flat out lied about it being insolvent.  This is not out of character, because Bush was prone to lying to push his policies (like claiming Iraq had WMDs).  If you believed his statement about its insolvency, then you simply bought into his silly lie.  Social Security is not insolvent because there IS NO REAL SOCIAL SECURITY TRUST FUND.  That's not how the program works, nor how it has ever worked.  Social Security started paying out money on day one, and started collecting money on day one.  The money collected from workers went to the money paid out to retirees.  And, that's STILL how it works.  The money collected from taxation on workers goes to the money paid out to retirees.  The idea of a "trust fund" grew out of this fictitious notion about the money being saved up during a time when the money being collected from payroll taxes (separate from income taxes) exceeded the money paid out to social security.  That money was not saved up, because that's not how our budget really works.  The social security trust fund cannot run out because it has never existed.  The money paid out to retirees has ALWAYS come from taxation on workers, and it will continue to do so for as long as we choose to keep the Social Security system around.  And since it is an extremely popular program, this will likely be a long time.

Besides, in your response, you don't touch on AGENDA 21 and the New World Order which the countries are hurrying to usher in.

...  Maybe because I'm not crazy?  :-P

I'm sure I explained to you before that Agenda 21 is a harmless and minor UN plan developed at a sustainability conference.  It has no teeth, is non-binding, and essentially has no effect at all other than being an advisory list of suggestions for promoting environmental sustainability.  So not only is its content pretty much harmless, since it is powerless to change anything, it is basically one of the most inconsequential things you could think to name.  I'm frankly surprised you are still engaged in conspiracy theories about it.  I thought maybe you would find new conspiracy theories to buy into by now.

do some reading about the coming United Nations' sponsored GLOBAL VILLAGE. Do some serious reading.

The UN's Global Village appears to be a simple agenda to address the serious issue of borderless cyber-crime.  There's nothing alarming to me about this.  I consider this a serious issue that does require some international cooperation.

I highly recommend you search the United Nations involvement on the changes happening in your country and around the world,

I do follow the actions of the United Nations.  Mostly the United Nations disappoints me because it is a largely ineffectual agency in a world which is rapidly becoming a single global society.  In the next few decades we will need to either restructure the United Nations or replace it with a different sort of agency which can actually get things done at a global scale.  And I do anticipate paranoia from conspiracy theorists such as yourself when this happens, but likely we sensible people will proceed forward anyway.

"Agenda 21" The UN's diabolical plan for the world is explained on the "Glenn Beck Show"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esJY2SK_4tE

Speaking of crazy...  Glenn Beck is a lunatic, and he's rambling incoherently in that video.  I have nothing to refute about that video because he doesn't actually MAKE any coherent points.  It is just 14 minutes of emphatic emotion.

A "Scientist" uses movies to present the propaganda he wants to spread. What type of science does the US now have?  :confused:

O_o  He's a mainstream scientist.  Here's one of his more important science books. (http://www.fulviofrisone.com/attachments/article/483/M%20Kaku%20-%20Quantum%20field%20theory%20(a%20modern%20introduction)(T).pdf)  Good luck understanding it.

Here (http://www.amazon.com/Visions-Science-Will-Revolutionize-Century/dp/0385484992) Michio Kaku published a book which covers the same topic as the video Shinichi linked.  You can find plenty of excerpts online for free.

At least Glenn Beck shows a book you can search for and read and a lot of people with names you can research to find if his facts are correct...

Come on now...  Are you actually taking yourself seriously?  Here's one of Glenn Beck's books for you to fact check (http://www.amazon.com/The-Real-America-Messages-Heartland/dp/0743496965).  Amazon's "Look Inside" feature lets you read a few pages before buying.  This is sufficient, because it only takes until page 2 before Glenn Beck announces his diagnosis of "borderline schizophrenic".  I will quote your beloved Glenn Beck, "We all feel a wide range of emotions, and as a borderline schizophrenic, I assure you my range is wider than it should be."  Allow me to quote the symptoms of his condition to you (source (http://www.understand-schizophrenia.com/borderline-schizophrenia.html)), "The hallmark of the diagnosis is extremely strange behaviour and presentation, speech and thinking. They do not usually experience overt episodes of psychosis, but may do say briefly when they decompensate under stress. Clinically they have odd beliefs or magical thinking, unusual perceptual experiences, paranoid behaviour, odd, eccentric or peculiar behaviour, there is excessive social anxiety and a lack of close friendships."  So why don't you go back and rewatch that Glenn Beck video where he rants emotionally with a paranoid conspiracy theory with his self-described mental condition in mind.


Fail again, Kobok.  :)

You take everything out of context. I said at least Glen Beck showed a book you can research, but that book is not written by Beck. You are peeing outside the bucket, Kobok, with all your scientific mind...

If Bush is an idiot, well, I agree but so is your current Black President. He is sending pink slips to your military because of the same reasons Bush wanted to shut down Social Security. And you are another one who fail to add 2 plus 2. Debt continues to grow in the US at an alarming rate with no industry left since it was taken out of the country and countries only leech their credit cards when there isn't enough income.

Hahaha.  :rolleyes: You think you are the only one understanding science. Fools think they are the only ones. Get the veil off your eyes, Kobok, Mr. scientific mind teachie. I read The Dancing Wu Li Masters, a mystical approach to quantum physics, and the Tao of Physics in 1980, over 30 years ago, among many others before you knew the term science...

I won't call it ridiculous your labeling of AGENDA 21, CODEX ALIMENTARIUS, ELECTRONIC MONEY, and the rest as conspiracy. I will just call you ignorant, since who ignores is an ignorant. You are an ignorant academic scientist teachie... aha, Kobok. 

Yellow Magician :cool:

Title: Re: <<<<<<< USA Entering a New Phase >>>>>>
Post by: The Yellow Magician on August 11, 2014, 10:07:26 PM
US people very proudly, for decades, thought itself above and beyond, separate and above from the rest of the world, while the homeland was kept safely under the wings of their Zionist master banksters in London and the politicians in Washington that puppet for them. However, by the events seen in these last two weeks, attacks that used to happen in those poor, pitiful, uneducated third-world countries, now also happen in the US, so that, together with the way of a weak and dying Dollar, sharp price increases to about everything from food to basics, ailing home prices that do not recover, high and growing unemployment and the ever increasing dependency of countless millions of USA people to be fed by their government due to their inability to do so independently, makes us, those outside the USA, think the US DESERVES A WARM WELCOME TO THE THIRD WORLD.  :cool:

Even though it is a sad spectacle to see, I thank God, we are entering the metaphysical age of no more greedy wars that used fake pretexts to rape poor nations and steal their resources for the elite banksters in the name of freedumb and demoncrazy. I am sure you are all as glad as I am.

USA has, undubitably, entering a new phase and the result will be world peace will now have a bigger chance to happen. The uni-polar world is dying and it is giving way to a multi-polar world lead by BRICS. I am sure more and more countries are going to join them. May peace prevail on Earth. Amen.  :cool:

YellowMagician, your apparent glee at what you take to be the immanent downfall of a nation, and all the pain and suffering that that would entail, shows a shocking lack of empathy. If the US has made mistakes then it is up to the globe to point out those mistakes and move forward from there. Not BRICS nor any other single group will 'lead the world', our progress depends on the cooperation of all nations, not against major world powers, but alongside them (I say this as a citizen of one of the BRICS countries).

If leadership fails, we attempt to replace that leadership as peacefully and democratically as possible, and move on. This doesn't always work, but it is better than just standing on the sidelines spitefully hoping the 'big bullies get what's coming to them'. That is not a useful way of thinking, and not something that will move this planet in the direction of progress.

I don't keep a secret I am tired of the big bully in the world always raping poor countries to steal their resources. The whole world will dance when the bully is no longer capable of raping any more nations under false pretenses of demoncrazy and freedumb. May the greed of capitalism continue to sink that sick nation, so that the world stops suffering.

I care for the good of the whole world and may that only nation that wars to steal may be damned for the good of a peaceful world.

The United States has shown no empathy and now their police is becoming as beligerant as their military was in occupied lands... What goes around, comes around. How can you now ask for empathy when you didn't raise your voice against the use of White Phosphorous in Fallujah? WTF are you talking about?

It seems to me you don't know what's coming to the United States... Get into prophecy and learn about exactly where we stand in time. Otherwise, you will be even more lost as time passes.
Title: Re: <<<<<<< USA Entering a New Phase >>>>>>
Post by: The Yellow Magician on August 11, 2014, 10:22:55 PM
I have a couple of questions for you, The Yellow Magician.

Since you hate scientists and science so much, where would you prefer our knowledge and understanding of the world come from? From you? From Glenn Beck? What makes anyone else qualified to start telling people what is or is not true about the world, above and beyond what a scientist is allowed to tell people?

This is not a set of sarcastic questions, but are indeed quite seriously asked.

~Steve

Wrong again in your assumptions.

Assuming makes an ass of you and me... Don't. I have never said I hate scientists and science. I admire some but I just see as ridiculous the idea of Kobok, accepted by his minions, to follow the scientific method to practice magic.  :) And even more, an outright out-of-mind lack of respect to expect that his way is THE ONLY WAY. Says who? Who is he to say it is the only way? Magic has existed for thousands of years, in every culture in the world, under every available system and form, and doctrine. Let freedom continue. Kobok's idea is just his way... not the way.  :rolleyes:

So, in light to that new information, shoot again, Steve.

Yellow Magician.  :cool:

Title: Re: <<<<<<< USA Entering a New Phase >>>>>>
Post by: Ekstatikos on August 12, 2014, 02:31:05 AM
I admire some but I just see as ridiculous the idea of Kobok, accepted by his minions, to follow the scientific method to practice magic.  :) And even more, an outright out-of-mind lack of respect to expect that his way is THE ONLY WAY. Says who? Who is he to say it is the only way? Magic has existed for thousands of years, in every culture in the world, under every available system and form, and doctrine. Let freedom continue. Kobok's idea is just his way... not the way.  :rolleyes:

How you got any of that from anything Kobok has said or the way people have responded to him is astonishing. Before you make grand, sweeping statements like that, YellowMagician, try to inspect your claims for fallacies such such as hasty generalization (http://www.logicalfallacies.info/presumption/hasty-generalisation/), strawman (http://www.logicalfallacies.info/ambiguity/straw-man/), and the slippery slope (http://www.logicalfallacies.info/presumption/slippery-slope/), amongst others (http://www.iep.utm.edu/fallacy/).
Title: Re: <<<<<<< USA Entering a New Phase >>>>>>
Post by: The Yellow Magician on August 12, 2014, 07:39:28 AM
I admire some but I just see as ridiculous the idea of Kobok, accepted by his minions, to follow the scientific method to practice magic.  :) And even more, an outright out-of-mind lack of respect to expect that his way is THE ONLY WAY. Says who? Who is he to say it is the only way? Magic has existed for thousands of years, in every culture in the world, under every available system and form, and doctrine. Let freedom continue. Kobok's idea is just his way... not the way.  :rolleyes:

How you got any of that from anything Kobok has said or the way people have responded to him is astonishing. Before you make grand, sweeping statements like that, YellowMagician, try to inspect your claims for fallacies such such as hasty generalization (http://www.logicalfallacies.info/presumption/hasty-generalisation/), strawman (http://www.logicalfallacies.info/ambiguity/straw-man/), and the slippery slope (http://www.logicalfallacies.info/presumption/slippery-slope/), amongst others (http://www.iep.utm.edu/fallacy/).

Greetings from France.

Absurd! Now that you are hooked in verbosity and pseudo-logic, why don't you write about empire fallacy, hierarchical fallacy and the fallacy that science furthers magic performance, now that you are at it, lad?  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: <<<<<<< USA Entering a New Phase >>>>>>
Post by: kobok on August 12, 2014, 08:05:55 AM
Fail again, Kobok.  :)

You take everything out of context. I said at least Glen Beck showed a book you can research, but that book is not written by Beck. You are peeing outside the bucket, Kobok, with all your scientific mind...

If Bush is an idiot, well, I agree but so is your current Black President. He is sending pink slips to your military because of the same reasons Bush wanted to shut down Social Security. And you are another one who fail to add 2 plus 2. Debt continues to grow in the US at an alarming rate with no industry left since it was taken out of the country and countries only leech their credit cards when there isn't enough income.

Hahaha.  :rolleyes: You think you are the only one understanding science. Fools think they are the only ones. Get the veil off your eyes, Kobok, Mr. scientific mind teachie. I read The Dancing Wu Li Masters, a mystical approach to quantum physics, and the Tao of Physics in 1980, over 30 years ago, among many others before you knew the term science...

I won't call it ridiculous your labeling of AGENDA 21, CODEX ALIMENTARIUS, ELECTRONIC MONEY, and the rest as conspiracy. I will just call you ignorant, since who ignores is an ignorant. You are an ignorant academic scientist teachie... aha, Kobok. 

Yellow Magician :cool:

Well I read that through carefully twice, and it seems you didn't reply to any of the content of my post except to make two points.  You criticized the reduction of the military size, and you criticized the rise of the debt.  Ironically your two points contradict each other.  The military size was reduced slightly as part of the successful deficit reduction agreement.  Thus to criticize both is simply to contradict your own argument.  And the only economically meaningful metric of the amount of a nation's debt is the "Debt to GDP" percentage, which you can see right here (http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-states/government-debt-to-gdp).  It's easy to see that the recession stimulus spending from 2008 through 2012 rose the Debt to GDP percentage from about 64% to about 100%, in line with the planned amount, and now this has leveled out.  The fact that it has leveled out means you are factually wrong when you say it "continues to grow".  The dollar amount continues to grow, but this is objectively meaningless.  Only the Debt to GDP ratio determines the ability to pay it down by comparing it to our increasing production.

Your previous predictions here in 2012 that this upward slope at the time indicated our economy was about to imminently collapse were just bogus.  It stabilized and recovered as planned.  You were wrong.  Whether you based it on website reading, conspiracy theory videos, astrology, or attempted revelations from the Spirit, your predictions were wrong.  Now that this is evident you should show some integrity, accept having been incorrect, and move on to other ideas.
Title: Re: <<<<<<< USA Entering a New Phase >>>>>>
Post by: The Yellow Magician on August 12, 2014, 08:16:37 AM

Well let me summarize by simply saying Bush is an idiot.  


Well, we finally agree on something. Robin Williams speaks on his stupidity. But you stay short on his shortcomings: he is also a liar just like the rest of American presidents and maybe he is a great representation of the drugged American people.

RIP, Robin Williams, who said:
 .....'No, no, no…it’s much worse. This train goes way off the track towards GMOs, Chemtrails, New World Order, Human Trafficking and a slew of other horrendous issues that pull my interests away from normal-everyday-annoying-bull-crap-type-stressors and into hours of concern which leads to hours of research, where I learn about even bigger and nastier atrocities that are supposedly hidden from us…which in turn leads to way more concern and ultimately, depression....' http://ri.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0LEVzfOKepT6EwAH45XNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTEzMmYxM2I5BHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDMQRjb2xvA2JmMQR2dGlkA1ZJUDEzMV8x/RV=2/RE=1407883855/RO=10/RU=http%3a%2f%2fbarenakedtalk.wordpress.com%2f2014%2f07%2f02%2fright-brain-heaven-left-brain-hell%2f/RK=0/RS=LPltS.ViBQvkK0BMdvrwcJ8BzDo-

The United States is in such a sorry state of affairs, that only comedians can speak truth, while the media and the intellectuals are bought and paid for. Please watch the following videos, Kobok:
Robin Williams on the US Presidents and Hopefuls
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KW2jSLuHlz4 HAHAHAHA

 :) USA is an empire that is laughable and this is evident, here:
Weapons of Self-Destruction
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IG3LgusJ3Q

Again, Rest in Peace, Robin Williams.

Yellow Magician.

Title: Re: <<<<<<< USA Entering a New Phase >>>>>>
Post by: Shinichi on August 12, 2014, 08:26:27 AM
I admire some but I just see as ridiculous the idea of Kobok, accepted by his minions, to follow the scientific method to practice magic.  :) And even more, an outright out-of-mind lack of respect to expect that his way is THE ONLY WAY. Says who? Who is he to say it is the only way? Magic has existed for thousands of years, in every culture in the world, under every available system and form, and doctrine. Let freedom continue. Kobok's idea is just his way... not the way.  :rolleyes:

How you got any of that from anything Kobok has said or the way people have responded to him is astonishing. Before you make grand, sweeping statements like that, YellowMagician, try to inspect your claims for fallacies such such as hasty generalization (http://www.logicalfallacies.info/presumption/hasty-generalisation/), strawman (http://www.logicalfallacies.info/ambiguity/straw-man/), and the slippery slope (http://www.logicalfallacies.info/presumption/slippery-slope/), amongst others (http://www.iep.utm.edu/fallacy/).

Greetings from France.

Absurd! Now that you are hooked in verbosity and pseudo-logic, why don't you write about empire fallacy, hierarchical fallacy and the fallacy that science furthers magic performance, now that you are at it, lad?  :rolleyes:

In your self proclaimed twenty seven years of practice, have you completely failed to actually study the history of magic, metaphysics, and mysticism?

From the mathematical and musical genius of such mystics as Pythagoras, to the alchemists of the Middle Ages, to Crowley's love of Chemistry -- the entire history of magic is full of scientists, and to the scientific endeavor of quite simply refining ones ideas and practices as one grows and learns more. If not for this pursuit, if not for this constant questioning of inherited tradition and the pushing forward of ideas and methodologies, many of the worlds ancient traditions would not exist.

Buddha did not develop Buddhism because it was a tradition and path already available, he developed Buddhism because the traditions others tried to teach him were not working for the majority of people around him. Buddha applied the scientific method, because doing so is a perfectly natural thing. It's just how we learn -- something either works or it doesn't.

Kobok being a student of science has nothing to do with the simple historical fact that countless magicians and mystics throughout history have been, in some measure or another, students of what we have come to call science. There is no fallacy in this.



~:Shin:~
Title: Re: <<<<<<< USA Entering a New Phase >>>>>>
Post by: kobok on August 12, 2014, 08:39:13 AM
RIP, Robin Williams, who said:
 .....'No, no, no…it’s much worse. This train goes way off the track towards GMOs, Chemtrails, New World Order, Human Trafficking and a slew of other horrendous issues that pull my interests away from normal-everyday-annoying-bull-crap-type-stressors and into hours of concern which leads to hours of research, where I learn about even bigger and nastier atrocities that are supposedly hidden from us…which in turn leads to way more concern and ultimately, depression....' http://ri.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0LEVzfOKepT6EwAH45XNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTEzMmYxM2I5BHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDMQRjb2xvA2JmMQR2dGlkA1ZJUDEzMV8x/RV=2/RE=1407883855/RO=10/RU=http%3a%2f%2fbarenakedtalk.wordpress.com%2f2014%2f07%2f02%2fright-brain-heaven-left-brain-hell%2f/RK=0/RS=LPltS.ViBQvkK0BMdvrwcJ8BzDo-

Your quote is ridiculous and wrong.  Robin Williams did not say that.  That blog was written by Lynette Landing, owner of "barenakedtalk".  If you scroll down she clearly states, "I mentioned in a former post" and links to a post with a photograph of herself.
Title: Re: <<<<<<< USA Entering a New Phase >>>>>>
Post by: The Yellow Magician on August 12, 2014, 09:00:55 AM
RIP, Robin Williams, who said:
 .....'No, no, no…it’s much worse. This train goes way off the track towards GMOs, Chemtrails, New World Order, Human Trafficking and a slew of other horrendous issues that pull my interests away from normal-everyday-annoying-bull-crap-type-stressors and into hours of concern which leads to hours of research, where I learn about even bigger and nastier atrocities that are supposedly hidden from us…which in turn leads to way more concern and ultimately, depression....' http://ri.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0LEVzfOKepT6EwAH45XNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTEzMmYxM2I5BHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDMQRjb2xvA2JmMQR2dGlkA1ZJUDEzMV8x/RV=2/RE=1407883855/RO=10/RU=http%3a%2f%2fbarenakedtalk.wordpress.com%2f2014%2f07%2f02%2fright-brain-heaven-left-brain-hell%2f/RK=0/RS=LPltS.ViBQvkK0BMdvrwcJ8BzDo-

Your quote is ridiculous and wrong.  Robin Williams did not say that.  That blog was written by Lynette Landing, owner of "barenakedtalk".  If you scroll down she clearly states, "I mentioned in a former post" and links to a post with a photograph of herself.


Agree on that. What about the videos where he destroys your little beloved empire? Any truths you can confess in his speech?
Title: Re: <<<<<<< USA Entering a New Phase >>>>>>
Post by: The Yellow Magician on August 12, 2014, 09:13:43 AM
I admire some but I just see as ridiculous the idea of Kobok, accepted by his minions, to follow the scientific method to practice magic.  :) And even more, an outright out-of-mind lack of respect to expect that his way is THE ONLY WAY. Says who? Who is he to say it is the only way? Magic has existed for thousands of years, in every culture in the world, under every available system and form, and doctrine. Let freedom continue. Kobok's idea is just his way... not the way.  :rolleyes:

How you got any of that from anything Kobok has said or the way people have responded to him is astonishing. Before you make grand, sweeping statements like that, YellowMagician, try to inspect your claims for fallacies such such as hasty generalization (http://www.logicalfallacies.info/presumption/hasty-generalisation/), strawman (http://www.logicalfallacies.info/ambiguity/straw-man/), and the slippery slope (http://www.logicalfallacies.info/presumption/slippery-slope/), amongst others (http://www.iep.utm.edu/fallacy/).

Greetings from France.

Absurd! Now that you are hooked in verbosity and pseudo-logic, why don't you write about empire fallacy, hierarchical fallacy and the fallacy that science furthers magic performance, now that you are at it, lad?  :rolleyes:

In your self proclaimed twenty seven years of practice, have you completely failed to actually study the history of magic, metaphysics, and mysticism?

From the mathematical and musical genius of such mystics as Pythagoras, to the alchemists of the Middle Ages, to Crowley's love of Chemistry -- the entire history of magic is full of scientists, and to the scientific endeavor of quite simply refining ones ideas and practices as one grows and learns more. If not for this pursuit, if not for this constant questioning of inherited tradition and the pushing forward of ideas and methodologies, many of the worlds ancient traditions would not exist.

Buddha did not develop Buddhism because it was a tradition and path already available, he developed Buddhism because the traditions others tried to teach him were not working for the majority of people around him. Buddha applied the scientific method, because doing so is a perfectly natural thing. It's just how we learn -- something either works or it doesn't.

Kobok being a student of science has nothing to do with the simple historical fact that countless magicians and mystics throughout history have been, in some measure or another, students of what we have come to call science. There is no fallacy in this.



~:Shin:~

I have read from a few mystics from the past and from other cultures, yeah. Magicians of old were closer to mysticism, my kind, not new newbies like you and Kobok and many others who are self-proclaimed "scientists", Shin.

I wouldn't add Crowley like a must read, unless you are a Satanist. Oh, well. I would gladly read everything of the works of Bombastus Theophrastus of Hohainhem, a free spirit and a great magician and Doctor of his time, who healed many royals. My line is not yours, for what I see. Am I wrong, then, Shin?  :confused: You mean I should follow your line, Shin? What do you want me to do with what I have gotten in 27 years of experience? Toss my system and follow yours? How long have you been a student? How long has Kobob been into magic? Maybe 27 years between the two, at the most? Kids think they are proficient when they move a psy wheel for the first time.

Yellow Magician.  :cool:
Title: Re: <<<<<<< USA Entering a New Phase >>>>>>
Post by: Shinichi on August 12, 2014, 09:43:08 AM
One of the most universal teachings in all forms of mysticism and spirituality, one of the most basic and wide spread ideas, is that Ego has a tendency to act up loudly so that Spirit is difficult to discern.

If in 27 years if practice you are still obsessed with "my way" and "your way," with "me" and "my" and "I," then there is indeed a point being missed somewhere in "your" way.

My way is nothing special, indeed. You are claiming to have practiced longer than I have been alive, indeed.

And yet, for all my youth and ignorance, I am humble enough to learn, and I am at peace enough to stand in harmony with others even when I disagree with them. It took me only a couple of years to understand that dogma, that fanatically clinging to "my" way, will only hinder my growth and close me off from the wisdom and experience of everyone around me.

Age and years of experience, truly, have little to do with wisdom. I don't see the point in obsessing over numbers when I have learned as much from children as I have old sages.



~:Shin:~
Title: Re: <<<<<<< USA Entering a New Phase >>>>>>
Post by: kobok on August 12, 2014, 09:45:07 AM
What about the videos where he destroys your little beloved empire?

You mean his comedy routine?  I thought it was mostly pretty funny like he intended (at least while thinking back to 2008), and I laughed.  I don't really see an empire anywhere, nor did I see a nation destroyed by a comedy routine that is mostly about highlighting quirks of politicians.

How long has Kobob been into magic?

I've been practicing psi for about 20 years now.

I notice you've engaged in the ad hominems and distractions.  But you seem to have avoided replying to the actual substance of the discussion from this post (http://forums.vsociety.net/index.php/topic,21750.msg221468.html#msg221468).
Title: Re: <<<<<<< USA Entering a New Phase >>>>>>
Post by: Ekstatikos on August 12, 2014, 10:38:12 AM
Greetings from France.

Absurd! Now that you are hooked in verbosity and pseudo-logic, why don't you write about empire fallacy, hierarchical fallacy and the fallacy that science furthers magic performance, now that you are at it, lad? 

...

I wouldn't add Crowley like a must read, unless you are a Satanist.

(http://abload.de/img/1398366971163jujus.jpg)

Lol wow, I'm out. Have fun gents.
Title: Re: <<<<<<< USA Entering a New Phase >>>>>>
Post by: The Yellow Magician on August 12, 2014, 02:20:00 PM
Fail again, Kobok.  :)

You take everything out of context. I said at least Glen Beck showed a book you can research, but that book is not written by Beck. You are peeing outside the bucket, Kobok, with all your scientific mind...

If Bush is an idiot, well, I agree but so is your current Black President. He is sending pink slips to your military because of the same reasons Bush wanted to shut down Social Security. And you are another one who fail to add 2 plus 2. Debt continues to grow in the US at an alarming rate with no industry left since it was taken out of the country and countries only leech their credit cards when there isn't enough income.

Hahaha.  :rolleyes: You think you are the only one understanding science. Fools think they are the only ones. Get the veil off your eyes, Kobok, Mr. scientific mind teachie. I read The Dancing Wu Li Masters, a mystical approach to quantum physics, and the Tao of Physics in 1980, over 30 years ago, among many others before you knew the term science...

I won't call it ridiculous your labeling of AGENDA 21, CODEX ALIMENTARIUS, ELECTRONIC MONEY, and the rest as conspiracy. I will just call you ignorant, since who ignores is an ignorant. You are an ignorant academic scientist teachie... aha, Kobok. 

Yellow Magician :cool:

Well I read that through carefully twice, and it seems you didn't reply to any of the content of my post except to make two points.  You criticized the reduction of the military size, and you criticized the rise of the debt.  Ironically your two points contradict each other.  The military size was reduced slightly as part of the successful deficit reduction agreement.  Thus to criticize both is simply to contradict your own argument.  And the only economically meaningful metric of the amount of a nation's debt is the "Debt to GDP" percentage, which you can see right here (http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-states/government-debt-to-gdp).  It's easy to see that the recession stimulus spending from 2008 through 2012 rose the Debt to GDP percentage from about 64% to about 100%, in line with the planned amount, and now this has leveled out.  The fact that it has leveled out means you are factually wrong when you say it "continues to grow".  The dollar amount continues to grow, but this is objectively meaningless.  Only the Debt to GDP ratio determines the ability to pay it down by comparing it to our increasing production.

Your previous predictions here in 2012 that this upward slope at the time indicated our economy was about to imminently collapse were just bogus.  It stabilized and recovered as planned.  You were wrong.  Whether you based it on website reading, conspiracy theory videos, astrology, or attempted revelations from the Spirit, your predictions were wrong.  Now that this is evident you should show some integrity, accept having been incorrect, and move on to other ideas.


Greetings from German Territory.

Yada, yada, yada. Why respond to obvious lies? The world is moving away from the US Dollar, care to explain, American Apologist?
Countries Moving Away from US Dollar - Google Search
https://www.google.com/search?client=aff-maxthon-newtab&channel=t13&q=list%20of%20nations%20that%20have%20moved%20away%20from%20US%20dollar&gws_rd=ssl#channel=t13&q=Countries%20moving%20away%20from%20us%20dollar

However, the Government Accountability Office of the USA is a non-partisan office of the General Accountant and it has been giving out warnings about the faltering US economy, worth considering, for many years, now. I am surprised such a wannabe academic does not know about it. Here, Mr. self-called Scientist, pick your own link based on PLA, MLA, Chicago, and not about the contents, if you so please, but read about the impending fall of the US Dollar.

GAO: USA Unsustainable Economy - Bing
http://www.bing.com/search?q=GAO%3A+Unsustainable+Economy&go=Enviar&qs=n&form=QBRE&pq=gao%3A+unsustainable+economy&sc=0-25&sp=-1&sk=&cvid=dd6f7f3d7f3c4c0d864fae0286caad09

Accelerated Crash Course (ACC) 2014
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYyugz5wcrI

The Stimulus Packages did Nothing to the Economy
Stimulus Package, Useless - Bing
http://www.bing.com/search?q=Stimulus+Packages+Useless&go=Enviar&qs=n&form=QBRE&pq=stimulus+packages+useless&sc=1-25&sp=-1&sk=&cvid=86774274ae5b42bb9536bffb6ef60f75  
Title: Re: <<<<<<< USA Entering a New Phase >>>>>>
Post by: The Yellow Magician on August 12, 2014, 02:44:15 PM
One of the most universal teachings in all forms of mysticism and spirituality, one of the most basic and wide spread ideas, is that Ego has a tendency to act up loudly so that Spirit is difficult to discern.

If in 27 years if practice you are still obsessed with "my way" and "your way," with "me" and "my" and "I," then there is indeed a point being missed somewhere in "your" way.

My way is nothing special, indeed. You are claiming to have practiced longer than I have been alive, indeed.

And yet, for all my youth and ignorance, I am humble enough to learn, and I am at peace enough to stand in harmony with others even when I disagree with them. It took me only a couple of years to understand that dogma, that fanatically clinging to "my" way, will only hinder my growth and close me off from the wisdom and experience of everyone around me.

Age and years of experience, truly, have little to do with wisdom. I don't see the point in obsessing over numbers when I have learned as much from children as I have old sages.



~:Shin:~

Dear Shin,

Your desire to argue is useless and contradicts your "humble" ego.

You argue for no reason, just because you wanted to, at the smell of wisdom, yet, are unable to grasp it, not even see it and you are trying to give me a lesson on the "scientific way" being the obviously only way? Newbies...

Grow up, Shin, you and Kobok have a lot of way to learn. Don't let the ego think you are big shits. Not even I, after 27 years of experience is anything compared with Chinese Masters in their area of practice.

You seem to be proud to have completed your QiGong Course at Veritas, and you are one of those who hangs a diploma from the wall to show others what you have learned. EGO. I met in person a guy who was given Bachellor's in Magic by the University of California, yet the UC didn't give him any proficiency and he even wrote about it in a book. Don't let your own foolishness become so evident, Shin.

Instead of suggesting the "scientific way" as the only one, why don't you round your knowledge of a few years of practice with wisdom? I think practice, wisdom, philosophy, religion and the contact with various ways enrich magic performance. Round your knowledge. Open up, son.

Greetings. My debate is over with you. The argument is useless.

Yellow Magician.  :cool:
 
Title: Re: <<<<<<< USA Entering a New Phase >>>>>>
Post by: The Yellow Magician on August 12, 2014, 03:25:06 PM
What about the videos where he destroys your little beloved empire?

You mean his comedy routine?  I thought it was mostly pretty funny like he intended (at least while thinking back to 2008), and I laughed.  I don't really see an empire anywhere, nor did I see a nation destroyed by a comedy routine that is mostly about highlighting quirks of politicians.

How long has Kobob been into magic?

I've been practicing psi for about 20 years now.

I notice you've engaged in the ad hominems and distractions.  But you seem to have avoided replying to the actual substance of the discussion from this post (http://forums.vsociety.net/index.php/topic,21750.msg221468.html#msg221468).


Robin Williams' comedy routine is more full of truth than that of Obama, Bush, Clinton, Obama Sr. and Reagan, combined. You're right; you don't see an American empire anywhere because it has been fading. I have seen White American beggars in the border with California, on the Mexican side.

I have studied and practiced astrology, the mantic arts, and magic, especially Theurgy and Thaumaturgy, especially the latest and I have combined several ways from traditional sages, shamans and wise men, over the years. Mahayana Buddhism and Tantra, or Tantrayana were great. However, my practice is much more important to me than a set of external rules. You don't need a rose quartz to perform as some technique says... You are the instrument, the most accurate instrument there is. You don't need externals to perform. Once you do that, you don't need a blanket to be in the Himalayas, in a cold cell at night, during the winter. You are whatever you need to perform and have results. You can bring a scientist only to be baffled or be skeptic, thinking there is a trick, only to not understand that practice is what matters, and then results.

I thought Psi started around 2000 at the earliest. You know, a certain branch of magic or the mantic arts gets popular for a few years and picks up the newbies of the age. I, for starters was interested in meditation, Tarot cards and astrology in the early 80s only to start in the late 80s. Then, one adds the new systems and adds to one's repertoire. Thus, I developed my intuition until it became a tool and I sharpened it, used it as many things and gave it practical uses... you know. I began interested in performing at a distance in 1989. My first such healing was in Los Ángeles, California while my subject was in Manila, Phillipines, a few thousand miles away. Results were great. A kin was in the session to confirm whatever info I gave about the subject, the visions, images and feelings involved and the after-session results. No scientists were involved. I was in Studio City and Sherman Oaks, California, where there is a large community of seekers... That´s my early days, back in the 80s.

The more tools you have, the better you will perform. I still add to my repertoire, like simple gestures are used, and the like. I don´t mind saying this for the newbies that are behind in the same path. I was there and probably thought I was the ultimate at 5 years into the practice, myself as well... I went though that, though not as bad as some of you, guys.

I have not stayed long in a place since it becomes stagnant and it is a waste of time. It´s better to be mobile like Paracelsus was in his time.

I recommend you don't stay in only a way of doing things and only one system, if there is still time left to continue. It seems humanity will be meeting a brick wall in the coming months in so many ways...

There is a German Prophet whose prophecies are in line with what I have received and seen though astrology and in visions. Good luck being in Europe. I need to move from Central Europe, out of dodge, far from the US as well. Read some about prophecies, dude. Increase your knowledge. If you want to be worth the name, you need to know the time you´re living in. Good luck with the fall of the US.

Yellow Magician.  :cool:
Title: Re: <<<<<<< USA Entering a New Phase >>>>>>
Post by: kobok on August 12, 2014, 03:39:26 PM
Why respond to obvious lies?

I challenge you to point out even one specific thing I stated to you in which I was dishonest.

The world is moving away from the US Dollar, care to explain, American Apologist?
Countries Moving Away from US Dollar - Google Search
https://www.google.com/search?client=aff-maxthon-newtab&channel=t13&q=list%20of%20nations%20that%20have%20moved%20away%20from%20US%20dollar&gws_rd=ssl#channel=t13&q=Countries%20moving%20away%20from%20us%20dollar

Did you even read the stuff at that link before sending it to me?  There's a video about an article on rt.com, an article on rt.com from May 2014, and an article about the article on rt.com.  rt.com is Russia's state newspaper used for state propaganda, in which Russia's government is badmouthing the U.S. Dollar because they're mad over the sanctions regarding Ukraine.  You are citing state propaganda...  As a conspiracy theorist you should probably try to do better.  :)

The link on that page which is not about Russian state propaganda is from forbes.com (http://www.forbes.com/sites/billconerly/2013/10/25/future-of-the-dollar-as-world-reserve-currency/).  In it, they conduct a careful economic analysis of alternatives to the US dollar as a world favorite reserve currency, and conclude, "The dollar will continue to be the most popular world reserve currency. It’s share of total reserves may decline, but the absolute number of dollars held by foreign countries will continue to rise."  Again, I'm citing the evidence YOU gave me...  Where you tried to claim the opposite of what your presented evidence says.

However, the Government Accountability Office of the USA is a non-partisan office of the General Accountant and it has been giving out warnings about the faltering US economy, worth considering, for many years, now. I am surprised such a wannabe academic does not know about it. Here, Mr. self-called Scientist, pick your own link based on PLA, MLA, Chicago, and not about the contents, if you so please, but read about the impending fall of the US Dollar.

GAO: USA Unsustainable Economy - Bing
http://www.bing.com/search?q=GAO%3A+Unsustainable+Economy&go=Enviar&qs=n&form=QBRE&pq=gao%3A+unsustainable+economy&sc=0-25&sp=-1&sk=&cvid=dd6f7f3d7f3c4c0d864fae0286caad09

Yes, I read it back when it was published, in January of 2013.  It said the federal spending was unsustainable at the levels it was at and had to change.  And guess what, federal spending changed within months of that report.  Things have leveled out, and the same thing is not being claimed.  A problem was announced, a fix was put in place, and things got better.  The actual events of this were controversial and filled with turmoil and political bickering, but the end result actually worked...  Your looking at the announced problem without looking at the events which happened afterward in response to it is just incomplete.

(Incidentally, your repeated attempts at slights like "wannabe academic" and "self-called scientist" are quite irrelevant, and I view them as without merit.  My degrees, completed research, positions held, and publications make me an academic and scientist by definition.  No "claims" are necessary to make this true.)

Accelerated Crash Course (ACC) 2014
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYyugz5wcrI

A video is a bad format for such information, as it presents it too slowly.  But I fast-forwarded through it and looked at his charts and data.  He's covering some relevant issues, but making errors in assessing the nature of value in money.  Exponential growth in money supply is not a problem, but a feature designed into the system.  This scares people who don't understand that prices, salaries, and supply are all intentionally growing exponentially in tandem.  The only thing that's shifting in this approach is the number used to represent a piece of value.  The only thing one needs to be concerned with in projections into the future regarding sustainability is the change in ratios between these things.

The Stimulus Packages did Nothing to the Economy
Stimulus Package, Useless - Bing
http://www.bing.com/search?q=Stimulus+Packages+Useless&go=Enviar&qs=n&form=QBRE&pq=stimulus+packages+useless&sc=1-25&sp=-1&sk=&cvid=86774274ae5b42bb9536bffb6ef60f75  

Again, did you read that link, or did you just assume it would support your view?  Hint:  It shows you are wrong.  The first link bing gives me for that is factcheck.org (http://www.factcheck.org/2010/09/did-the-stimulus-create-jobs/), and it asks the question "Did the Stimulus Create Jobs?"  In its detailed reply it concludes, "Yes, the stimulus legislation increased employment, despite false Republican claims to the contrary."

So, in an attempted biased search for the stimulus package being useless, you confirmed that the stimulus package worked.  Thank you for supporting my point.

You're right; you don't see an American empire anywhere because it has been fading.

How convenient, because we didn't want an empire in the first place.

I thought Psi started around 2000 at the earliest.

You're off by somewhere between 58 and 118 years, depending on whether you meant the actual term, or the philosophy and approach.  I've written out the history here. (http://forums.vsociety.net/index.php/topic,5408.0.html)

While I was performing and reading about psi since my very early childhood, I only started systematically and rigorously practicing in 1994, so I quote this as my start date.  Psi was well established by the time I started.  I had no trouble locating detailed instructional guides, as well as very old and dusty library books about it.

if there is still time left to continue. It seems humanity will be meeting a brick wall in the coming months in so many ways...

Would you be so kind as to make a specific and precise prediction about what you think will be happening "in the coming months"?
Title: Re: <<<<<<< USA Entering a New Phase >>>>>>
Post by: Shinichi on August 12, 2014, 03:43:40 PM
Dear Shin,

Your desire to argue is useless and contradicts your "humble" ego.

You argue for no reason, just because you wanted to, at the smell of wisdom, yet, are unable to grasp it, not even see it and you are trying to give me a lesson on the "scientific way" being the obviously only way? Newbies...

The truth of this matter is actually the opposite. My actions here, and my discussions with you, are not a contradiction of my humility -- for when a certain experience of Spirit is achieved, one is able to tune into Intuition more. And when someone is acting on intuition more than not, the easiest way to describe the outcome is "because I wanted to." Also, I'm a fun loving person, so a little humor never hurt -- and I do indeed have an Ego. Everyone does.

As for what "smell" I'm arguing at, well, at least I'm not claiming my ideas to be absolute wisdom. I'm open to a wide variety of ideas, methods, and wisdom from a wide variety of sources. I am a true follower of Odin -- I seek wisdom, where ever it may rest and whatever the cost. For indeed, proficiency and practical wisdom are more important than ideological dogmas.

Arguing for no reason is not for me to decide. I had a desire to say what I did, I felt intuitively what to say, and I said it. As much as this tends to get me into trouble, it's still my natural way of speaking and interacting with the world. Is it pointless? I don't know, but my Spirit does. As in many such cases, perhaps I will only understand in retrospect. Perhaps I will learn something from this interaction, this clash of views. Perhaps you will learn something. Perhaps, more likely,  one of the many people who will silently read these interactions will learn something.

Grow up, Shin, you and Kobok have a lot of way to learn. Don't let the ego think you are big shits. Not even I, after 27 years of experience is anything compared with Chinese Masters in their area of practice.

I have grown up quite a lot over the past years, and I grow up every day -- because I am willing to learn. There is no "not even I" in my spiritual path, because truly, I am only a vehicle for higher things.

You seem to be proud to have completed your QiGong Course at Veritas, and you are one of those who hangs a diploma from the wall to show others what you have learned. EGO. I met in person a guy who was given Bachellor's in Magic by the University of California, yet the UC didn't give him any proficiency and he even wrote about it in a book. Don't let your own foolishness become so evident, Shin.

I wear what is in my signature as a way of honoring the person who held that class, and everything he has done for me and for this forum. In most cases, my walls are bare and for good reason.

Scholarly study of magic also has its place in the world, for Magicians have always had a love for scholarly pursuit.

Instead of suggesting the "scientific way" as the only one, why don't you round your knowledge of a few years of practice with wisdom? I think practice, wisdom, philosophy, religion and the contact with various ways enrich magic performance. Round your knowledge. Open up, son.

Nobody is suggesting that science is the only way. I, in particular, am only suggesting that your apparent disdain for science is unfounded. Is it wisdom to despise science, when so many sages have been scientists and have loved the sciences of their day? The only reason to despise science, as a mystic and magician, is if your practices and pursuits are incorrect -- for an experiment or three can determine whether or not it is. And if you care more about being right than finding the truth, there is no wisdom in that.

Not to mention, science is not even a "way" to begin with. It's just a tool and a method of refining ideas, which is why everyone uses it regardless of paradigm. Perhaps you are too obsessed with the word and the ideological dogmas attached to it to see its practical wisdom.

Am I really the one who is not open to wisdom?

The argument is useless.

Quite. Yet, it is not time for me to step away. Taking this mystic direction may prove to be a bit more interesting.



~:Shin:~
Title: Re: <<<<<<< USA Entering a New Phase >>>>>>
Post by: The Yellow Magician on August 12, 2014, 05:58:54 PM
Greetings from France.

Absurd! Now that you are hooked in verbosity and pseudo-logic, why don't you write about empire fallacy, hierarchical fallacy and the fallacy that science furthers magic performance, now that you are at it, lad? 

...

I wouldn't add Crowley like a must read, unless you are a Satanist.

(http://abload.de/img/1398366971163jujus.jpg)

Lol wow, I'm out. Have fun gents.

A Satanist. I see.
Title: Re: <<<<<<< USA Entering a New Phase >>>>>>
Post by: The Yellow Magician on August 15, 2014, 03:03:33 AM
Why respond to obvious lies?

I challenge you to point out even one specific thing I stated to you in which I was dishonest.

There are many, not only one. All of the dispensations you used to "explain" the falling of the US, which is contradicted by a long list of economists.

HARVARD Economist Predicts ECONOMIC COLLAPSE in 2014. DOOMSDAY For The US DOLLAR
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkbRk50CWUE

The world is moving away from the US Dollar, care to explain, American Apologist?
Countries Moving Away from US Dollar - Google Search
https://www.google.com/search?client=aff-maxthon-newtab&channel=t13&q=list%20of%20nations%20that%20have%20moved%20away%20from%20US%20dollar&gws_rd=ssl#channel=t13&q=Countries%20moving%20away%20from%20us%20dollar

Did you even read the stuff at that link before sending it to me?  There's a video about an article on rt.com, an article on rt.com from May 2014, and an article about the article on rt.com.  rt.com is Russia's state newspaper used for state propaganda, in which Russia's government is badmouthing the U.S. Dollar because they're mad over the sanctions regarding Ukraine.  You are citing state propaganda...  As a conspiracy theorist you should probably try to do better.  :)

The link on that page which is not about Russian state propaganda is from forbes.com (http://www.forbes.com/sites/billconerly/2013/10/25/future-of-the-dollar-as-world-reserve-currency/).  In it, they conduct a careful economic analysis of alternatives to the US dollar as a world favorite reserve currency, and conclude, "The dollar will continue to be the most popular world reserve currency. It’s share of total reserves may decline, but the absolute number of dollars held by foreign countries will continue to rise."  Again, I'm citing the evidence YOU gave me...  Where you tried to claim the opposite of what your presented evidence says.

The US also badmouths any poor and defenseless country it wants to invade to rob it of its resources to increase the profits of American corporations, or to place a puppet as President in such country. Be fair. Throw the same courtesy to others. Besides, most facts against the US are correct and TRUE and rightfully given, and should be taken in consideration. Nobody grows so fat in so little time, acting kind and not being a SOB bastard who is not there to rob anyone through their institutions and if that fails, by war.

I don't worry about propaganda. The Pentagon, Wall Street, the White House and the US Department of State, the Trilateral;Commission and other offices also have their propaganda outlets and personages to spread it. All world powers do the same. Pravda means truth in Russian and the US sheeple think theirs is STILL the FREE PRESS....  
:biggrin:

However, the Government Accountability Office of the USA is a non-partisan office of the General Accountant and it has been giving out warnings about the faltering US economy, worth considering, for many years, now. I am surprised such a wannabe academic does not know about it. Here, Mr. self-called Scientist, pick your own link based on PLA, MLA, Chicago, and not about the contents, if you so please, but read about the impending fall of the US Dollar.

GAO: USA Unsustainable Economy - Bing
http://www.bing.com/search?q=GAO%3A+Unsustainable+Economy&go=Enviar&qs=n&form=QBRE&pq=gao%3A+unsustainable+economy&sc=0-25&sp=-1&sk=&cvid=dd6f7f3d7f3c4c0d864fae0286caad09

Yes, I read it back when it was published, in January of 2013.  It said the federal spending was unsustainable at the levels it was at and had to change.  And guess what, federal spending changed within months of that report.  Things have leveled out, and the same thing is not being claimed.  A problem was announced, a fix was put in place, and things got better.  The actual events of this were controversial and filled with turmoil and political bickering, but the end result actually worked...  Your looking at the announced problem without looking at the events which happened afterward in response to it is just incomplete.

(Incidentally, your repeated attempts at slights like "wannabe academic" and "self-called scientist" are quite irrelevant, and I view them as without merit.  My degrees, completed research, positions held, and publications make me an academic and scientist by definition.  No "claims" are necessary to make this true.)

You are not rounded off in your knowledge or are loop sided, regardless of the degrees, research and publications you claim to have.

Fail, Kobok.

Comptroller General of the US, David Walker took in a tour in 2005 to warn people. This video was published in You Tube in 2009. Your reading about it in 2013 and claiming it is already solved is irrelevant and proves your information is not fresh, when it happens.


Why US Economy will Collapse - I.O.U.S.A. the movie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UuCgxDbOgqM


Accelerated Crash Course (ACC) 2014
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYyugz5wcrI

A video is a bad format for such information, as it presents it too slowly.  But I fast-forwarded through it and looked at his charts and data.  He's covering some relevant issues, but making errors in assessing the nature of value in money.  Exponential growth in money supply is not a problem, but a feature designed into the system.  This scares people who don't understand that prices, salaries, and supply are all intentionally growing exponentially in tandem.  The only thing that's shifting in this approach is the number used to represent a piece of value.  The only thing one needs to be concerned with in projections into the future regarding sustainability is the change in ratios between these things.

NOTHING can grow exponentially, especially when it is DEBT notes and not money backed by value. The US dollar is backed by faith, only. It is based on faith people have, but countries are moving away from the US Dollar.
Countries Moving Away From Dealings With The US Dollar
http://americancontractor.com/countries-moving-away-from-dealings-with-the-us-dollar

US Dollar Is DEAD!! - Australian PM Announces Direct Yuan Australian Dollar Trading
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-BSYu46lt0

Donald Trump Fall of the dollar Economic collapse
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wj_mVC9RYg

The Stimulus Packages did Nothing to the Economy
Stimulus Package, Useless - Bing
http://www.bing.com/search?q=Stimulus+Packages+Useless&go=Enviar&qs=n&form=QBRE&pq=stimulus+packages+useless&sc=1-25&sp=-1&sk=&cvid=86774274ae5b42bb9536bffb6ef60f75  

Again, did you read that link, or did you just assume it would support your view?  Hint:  It shows you are wrong.  The first link bing gives me for that is factcheck.org (http://www.factcheck.org/2010/09/did-the-stimulus-create-jobs/), and it asks the question "Did the Stimulus Create Jobs?"  In its detailed reply it concludes, "Yes, the stimulus legislation increased employment, despite false Republican claims to the contrary."

So, in an attempted biased search for the stimulus package being useless, you confirmed that the stimulus package worked.  Thank you for supporting my point.

The, if the stimulus package worked creating jobs, the deficit would be a superavit, which the US hasn't had in over 15 years. The interest rate is stil near zero in order to maintain the economy from collapsing and when the interest rate is increased, public and public debt in the US will be virtually unpayable due to the lack of jobs, thus killing the US Dollar.

You're right; you don't see an American empire anywhere because it has been fading.

How convenient, because we didn't want an empire in the first place.
You had one. Now the US is being pushed aside militarily, politically, economically, and in every area such as lifestyle and health

I thought Psi started around 2000 at the earliest.

You're off by somewhere between 58 and 118 years, depending on whether you meant the actual term, or the philosophy and approach.  I've written out the history here. (http://forums.vsociety.net/index.php/topic,5408.0.html)
While I was performing and reading about psi since my very early childhood, I only started systematically and rigorously practicing in 1994, so I quote this as my start date.  Psi was well established by the time I started.  I had no trouble locating detailed instructional guides, as well as very old and dusty library books about it.

if there is still time left to continue. It seems humanity will be meeting a brick wall in the coming months in so many ways...

Would you be so kind as to make a specific and precise prediction about what you think will be happening "in the coming months"?

Ah, change of tone.I have received some information but there is a prophet who has much more detailed information. I will open a thread to present his predictions. The US is a major actor in his prophecies. I will place it in the main hall.

I will stop posting in this as well as other threads, since I said what I had to and whatever people respond has already been answered by me and repeating is not worth my time. If people wanted to become more open minded or better informed, they would do so. Everybody has a right to remain as ignorant and as closed minded as he pleases.


Yellow Magician  :cool:
Title: Re: <<<<<<< USA Entering a New Phase >>>>>>
Post by: The Yellow Magician on August 15, 2014, 03:19:15 AM
1000's GATHER IN 100 US CITIES TONIGHT.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgTTXuYcrLA

Today marks the 5th day of protests for the killing of a US youngster, who happens to be Black, at the hands of militarized police, like there now is in every town and city in the USA. Michael Brown, an 18 years old, was unarmed and I question if they had to kill him.

There have been riots in Fergurson, MO for 5 days in a row as people are fed up of being treated like their lives do not count and as worthless after having fed the US empire for all of their lives, only to  have less and less rights and more and more obligations while police treats them, as I said, as worthless scum. Other cities are joining, since this is not the first incident and mostly, assassinations by police have been left untreated by a real,effective Judicial system.

May Michael Brown rest in peace. 

Yellow Magician.  :cool:
Title: Re: <<<<<<< USA Entering a New Phase >>>>>>
Post by: Shadowx089 on August 15, 2014, 07:35:31 PM
The only new phase I see us entering is a change that will make USA more unstable than it has been in a long long time.  I often wonder if civil war will happen again in the next few decades. The police are as militarized as the army. Their funds are from sources that shouldn't exist. Whats worse is that I see a distinct separation between Government and People. I feel if a battle would occur it will probably be Brother against Brother and Father against Son and so forth, due to the fact that those who serve the Government will most likely follow orders blindly thinking the can force the People to submit and scatter like they always do. Then realize after the massacre happens that it was far more serious than they thought. Families and friends will be broken apart on that day. 
Title: Re: <<<<<<< USA Entering a New Phase >>>>>>
Post by: The Yellow Magician on August 15, 2014, 07:51:34 PM
Can you access Video here? Do you have 15 minutes? This Guy Sounds like a Nutter... but is Spot On... World Economy in 15 minutes... DOOM!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V59Toqg5l54
Title: Re: <<<<<<< USA Entering a New Phase >>>>>>
Post by: kobok on August 16, 2014, 02:40:24 PM
Why respond to obvious lies?

I challenge you to point out even one specific thing I stated to you in which I was dishonest.

There are many, not only one. All of the dispensations you used to "explain" the falling of the US, which is contradicted by a long list of economists.

When you say someone is lied, you are making an affirmative claim that they intentionally stated a thing as true which they consider to be false.  It is a statement about a person's character, not their knowledge.  Are you intending to state what your words are saying, that you believe I ACTUALLY think the US is falling but I am simply PRETENDING I don't think this when speaking to you?

HARVARD Economist Predicts ECONOMIC COLLAPSE in 2014. DOOMSDAY For The US DOLLAR
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkbRk50CWUE

He was predicting a bank run in January of 2014.  This is a fear NOT shared by the overwhelming majority of economists.  It also, notably, has not happened, and it is 8 months since then.  Although it sounds like he was basing his argument on the fact that his bank was giving him a bad interest rate for the million dollars he was keeping in his checking account (?).  This is silly, because he was using a bank known for low interest rates, keeping savings money in checking instead of a savings account, and keeping a million dollars in savings during a high growth recovery, where he could have made another million easily just by sticking it in stocks over the past few years.  These don't sound like very good economic choices from an economist.

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Did you even read the stuff at that link before sending it to me?  There's a video about an article on rt.com, an article on rt.com from May 2014, and an article about the article on rt.com.  rt.com is Russia's state newspaper used for state propaganda, in which Russia's government is badmouthing the U.S. Dollar because they're mad over the sanctions regarding Ukraine.  You are citing state propaganda...  As a conspiracy theorist you should probably try to do better.  :)

The link on that page which is not about Russian state propaganda is from forbes.com (http://www.forbes.com/sites/billconerly/2013/10/25/future-of-the-dollar-as-world-reserve-currency/).  In it, they conduct a careful economic analysis of alternatives to the US dollar as a world favorite reserve currency, and conclude, "The dollar will continue to be the most popular world reserve currency. It’s share of total reserves may decline, but the absolute number of dollars held by foreign countries will continue to rise."  Again, I'm citing the evidence YOU gave me...  Where you tried to claim the opposite of what your presented evidence says.

The US also badmouths any poor and defenseless country it wants to invade to rob it of its resources to increase the profits of American corporations, or to place a puppet as President in such country. Be fair. Throw the same courtesy to others. Besides, most facts against the US are correct and TRUE and rightfully given, and should be taken in consideration. Nobody grows so fat in so little time, acting kind and not being a SOB bastard who is not there to rob anyone through their institutions and if that fails, by war.

I don't worry about propaganda. The Pentagon, Wall Street, the White House and the US Department of State, the Trilateral;Commission and other offices also have their propaganda outlets and personages to spread it. All world powers do the same. Pravda means truth in Russian and the US sheeple think theirs is STILL the FREE PRESS....  
:biggrin:

You did not address the points I made.  I have no comment other than to point out that your reply addressed and countered nothing.

Comptroller General of the US, David Walker took in a tour in 2005 to warn people. This video was published in You Tube in 2009. Your reading about it in 2013 and claiming it is already solved is irrelevant and proves your information is not fresh, when it happens.

That might be true if I had first learned how to read in 2013...  (Hint:  I didn't.)

The US dollar is backed by faith, only. It is based on faith people have, but countries are moving away from the US Dollar.

The primary price-point of the US dollar is not based on other countries using it as an exchange reference or reserve currency.  IF THAT WERE TRUE, then the value of most other currencies around the world would be ZERO.  Think about that for a moment before you reply...

The fundamental value of the US dollar is based on the quantity of it that Americans receive as income compared to the goods and services they attempt to purchase with that income.  This is how it works for every currency, in every nation.  If my paycheck is $X, and I need milk, and really want a laptop, the prices of the milk and laptop are determined by how much money I and everyone else can afford to spend on the milk and laptop.  These collective transactions set the exchange rate between the USD and "stuff".  The value of the USD to other currencies is based on the stuff being the same.  I can drive or ship a laptop across the US-Canadian border, so the value of a laptop in the US is roughly the same as in Canada.  The conversion factor between the US dollar and Canadian dollar are thus determined by the relative costs of things like a laptop in the two countries and in their currencies.  If you double the salary of everyone in the U.S. overnight, they will have twice as much money to spend on stuff, and the prices of everything will leap up to twice what it was, which would cover the new cost of the salaries.  It would then take twice as much USD to buy one Canadian dollar after such an event, but the rest would be relatively unchanged.  The only other effect this has is making existing debt easier to pay off and devaluing liquid savings.  (Savings as cash, rather than investments, which would stay fixed to value.)

NOTHING can grow exponentially, especially when it is DEBT notes and not money backed by value.

I think this is the crux of your belief that the economy is at risk.  But it is mistaken, because currency very much CAN grow exponentially, and there's no rule of mathematics that says it can't.  In fact, fiat currency is one of the few things that definitely can grow exponentially, because it can be created by the administrating authority at a fixed rate.  This is a cornerstone of modern economic theory, and there are good reasons to intentionally grow currency exponentially at a fixed rate.  First, this produces price predictability and salary predictability.  People have a good sense not only for what milk and other things cost today, but what it will cost next year.  People can also have a fair sense for what the typical salaries will be like a year from now, and what they will be able to get for a given salary, because the value of things is kept predictable.  If you constrain the supply of a currency (like, say, with bitcoin), then the relationship between currency and value can contract and expand wildly by economic events.  A fiat currency with predictable inflation resolves this uncertainty, making the currency a more accurate representation of true value.

The only question then is why establish policy that intentionally keeps a positive small rate of inflation, instead of keep policy targeting 0% inflation or negative inflation?  This is because of the effect of inflation on savings, debt, and investment.  A positive rate of inflation provides an incentive for investment, because it is equivalent to a predictable value decrease on currency shoved in a blanket.  Thus it by policy rewards money that is put to work doing things.  At the same time, a positive rate reduces debt in a predictable manner, providing an incentive for a small amount of risk, which is required for an economy to advance.

Please make a genuine effort to understand the above two paragraphs, because this concept forms the cornerstone for our entire economic policy, and for why it has been consistently working for so long despite people who are afraid of it and constantly predicting doom.
Title: Re: <<<<<<< USA Entering a New Phase >>>>>>
Post by: Felidae on August 17, 2014, 10:23:05 AM
Then there is the viewpoint the economy should be destroyed and every bit of effort people place into continuing that STUPID GAME should immediately cease, and the governments that essentially put guns to peoples heads to play that STUPID GAME be disbanded peacefully if possible, burned down in RIGHTEOUS INSURRECTION if not.
Title: Re: <<<<<<< USA Entering a New Phase >>>>>>
Post by: kobok on August 17, 2014, 12:14:47 PM
Then there is the viewpoint the economy should be destroyed and every bit of effort people place into continuing that STUPID GAME should immediately cease, and the governments that essentially put guns to peoples heads to play that STUPID GAME be disbanded peacefully if possible, burned down in RIGHTEOUS INSURRECTION if not.

That uhm...  I don't think that's a very common viewpoint.
Title: Re: <<<<<<< USA Entering a New Phase >>>>>>
Post by: Felidae on August 17, 2014, 02:24:37 PM
Why not? It's the only reasonable response to this shit.
Title: Re: <<<<<<< USA Entering a New Phase >>>>>>
Post by: Constructman on August 17, 2014, 04:27:01 PM
Then there is the viewpoint the economy should be destroyed and every bit of effort people place into continuing that STUPID GAME should immediately cease, and the governments that essentially put guns to peoples heads to play that STUPID GAME be disbanded peacefully if possible, burned down in RIGHTEOUS INSURRECTION if not.


And what would you replace it with? And by economy, do you mean the academic nightmare that is today's stock market, trading networks, yadda yadda yadda, or do you mean the elimination of even the simplest barter systems?

"An economy or economic system consists of the production, distribution or trade, and consumption of limited goods and services by different agents in a given geographical location. The economic agents can be individuals, businesses, organizations, or governments. Transactions occur when two parties agree to the value or price of the transacted good or service, commonly expressed in a certain currency."
Title: Re: <<<<<<< USA Entering a New Phase >>>>>>
Post by: Felidae on August 17, 2014, 04:51:36 PM
Replace it with whatever you decide in the moment to replace it with and serve as the basis for your economic actions. The destruction of the economy is not the destruction of economic systems, it is the destruction of an economic system that people serve rather than economic systems that are voluntarily consented to and which serve people. Once the freedom to make an explicit choice is implemented, rather than it existing as something over people, something that people must either passively accept or try to live(and be harassed; people who do this aren't peacefully left alone much of the time if they're found) in what little remains of the wild(and cause severe ecological disruption while one is at it) to avoid, then the matter will take of itself quickly enough-a a thousand solutions, not just a single one.
Title: Re: <<<<<<< USA Entering a New Phase >>>>>>
Post by: Steve on August 18, 2014, 12:35:03 AM
Replace it with whatever you decide in the moment to replace it with and serve as the basis for your economic actions.
I vote not to destroy it in the first place. I'm sure enough people would vote the exact same thing, despite there being some people who are unsatisfied with the way things currently are, that the situation would remain largely the same as it is right now.

So then, as the minority, what right does the minority have to tell the majority that the majority has to accept a complete destruction and overhaul of the situation just because the minority puts a metaphorical gun to the majority's head? (that gun being slogans like "join us, or else. we're going to destroy the system whether you like it or not")

The fact is that it is not the government who has created the American economy the way that it is today, and nor is it big corporations. It is the people who have done this. Some people have had more influence than others in shaping it, and both the government and big businesses have put in their influence in shaping it, but the economy would not be what it is today without the effort of the vast majority of individuals who have put in countless time and effort in shaping it as well. You can't just undo all that because you, a single person out of 260 million Americans, doesn't like what's become of it all.

Now, if 131 million Americans agreed with you, then there would be some changes happening. Major changes, regardless of what kind of influence the big businesses or government tried to throw around. But that's not happening, is it? It's because 260 million Americans have been contributing lots of effort to get things to where they are today... AND are continuing their efforts to build a better system for their own future and their childrens' futures.

The people speak through their actions, and are still speaking today. If you don't like it, you certainly don't have to and you can work towards creating a better future. Those who agree with you will work with you, but don't expect to change the entire system for 260 million people if your group is only comprised of a few 10's of thousands.


Also, in response to TYM's 15 minute video: 15 minutes is not enough time to talk about the world economy :P Here's an hour long video about the history of human population and how we got to where we are today by Hans Rosling https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eA5BM7CE5-8 yet it's still better at explaining why the world isn't as bad off as some people believe.

~Steve
Title: Re: <<<<<<< USA Entering a New Phase >>>>>>
Post by: Felidae on August 18, 2014, 10:24:07 AM
"I vote not to destroy it in the first place. I'm sure enough people would vote the exact same thing, despite there being some people who are unsatisfied with the way things currently are, that the situation would remain largely the same as it is right now."
I'm pretty sure they wouldn't. In fact, I find the idea they would to be insane considering that all I hear anyone do is complain about their participation in the economy in one way or another-if people would do that and not be willing to change when they have another option, then at least those willing to change wouldn't be held back by their uncertainty.
The majority shouldn't have the right to impose itself on the minority either, yet it constantly does. The end of absolute majoritarian tyranny would be only another benefit of making economic systems a matter of explicit consent.
Title: Re: <<<<<<< USA Entering a New Phase >>>>>>
Post by: Steve on August 18, 2014, 03:44:51 PM
considering that all I hear anyone do is complain about their participation in the economy in one way or another
Well that's mostly because the people who complain tend to be the people who speak up the most. Those of us who are fine with our situation aren't going to constantly praise it (in contrast to the constant grumbling that the dissatisfied do) so you're naturally going to hear more complaining than praising for the current system. Also, for many of us, when we get to a point where we don't like something, we might grumble about it but eventually we do something about our situation by changing it; if I hate my job, I'll go get a new one. If I hate certain subcultures, I'll avoid them and instead associate with subcultures that I do like.

What many don't realize is that there are sub-economies within the overall economy as well, and if you don't like the sub-economy that you are living and working within, you can try to find another one that makes you happier.

The majority shouldn't have the right to impose itself on the minority either, yet it constantly does. The end of absolute majoritarian tyranny would be only another benefit of making economic systems a matter of explicit consent.
Actually, there isn't really an "absolute majoritarian tyranny". As explained above, those who don't like the way that the majority are doing something can create subcultures, sub-societies, and sub-economies of their own; and the minorities do. Think of the idea of "Chinatown" in any major city centre.

But the fact that it takes people to create an overall society and overall economy the way that it turns out, and the fact that the American people have been the ones creating their society and economy themselves over the past few hundred years, should tell you that the way things have turned out today is not the will of the minority who are supposedly "in power", but instead is due to the effort and will of the majority. That means that society as it stands in America, or any other democratic or semi-democratic place, is what the people who live there generally want it to be. It may not be perfect, but neither are the people who are creating it.

And when you hear grumblings and complaining and lots of people saying "I don't like the way the system is, we need to change it", that you could hear literally 2.6 million people complain about it, yet that's still only 1% of the American population who gets a vote on how things actually get to turn out. So the amount of grumbling you hear is not necessarily reflective of the will of the 99% of society.

~Steve
Title: Re: <<<<<<< USA Entering a New Phase >>>>>>
Post by: kobok on August 18, 2014, 05:49:20 PM
Replace it with whatever you decide in the moment to replace it with and serve as the basis for your economic actions. The destruction of the economy is not the destruction of economic systems, it is the destruction of an economic system that people serve rather than economic systems that are voluntarily consented to and which serve people. Once the freedom to make an explicit choice is implemented, rather than it existing as something over people, something that people must either passively accept or try to live(and be harassed; people who do this aren't peacefully left alone much of the time if they're found) in what little remains of the wild(and cause severe ecological disruption while one is at it) to avoid, then the matter will take of itself quickly enough-a a thousand solutions, not just a single one.

I can see you are upset with aspects of the economy we experience, and thus you are advocating for the destruction of it.  But let's distill what you're saying down to its core essentials by first addressing the fundamental question of what an economy is, and why we have one.

An economy exists to solve the fundamental problem that you're not really "entitled" to anything.  You are born naked and dumb, without tools, toys, or skills.  So starting from this perspective, let's say at some point you want a glass of milk with dinner.  How do you get that glass of milk?  You're not intrinsically entitled to a glass of milk, meaning there is no natural mechanism by which one will materialize in front of you.  You aren't even born with a cow, and you're not even intrinsically entitled to a cow.  This is a pretty serious problem if you think about it carefully.  The fact is, you intrinsically need a system of cooperation with other members of society which can help you to get that glass of milk.  But other people have no intrinsic reason to work hard preparing a glass of milk for you, and taking care of a cow for your sake.  You have to give them a reason, or an incentive.

Now you know these things already, but the reason I bring it up in such explicit terms is because you said, "the destruction of an economic system that people serve rather than economic systems that are voluntarily consented to and which serve people".  See, the problem is, since you fundamentally start out with no cow and no milk, the other people out there aren't going to serve you milk unless you are willing to serve them...  But the interactions with those other people ARE the economic system.  So you HAVE to serve an economic system if you want the economic system to serve you.  This isn't a product of any one economic system, but it's intrinsic to the nature of reality.  Economic structures like money and financial systems just provide us with a framework for solving this preexisting problem.

If at any point you don't like your interactions with an economic system, here is the best advice you'll ever get:  Look for ways to significantly increase your usefulness.  If you can become perceived as more useful, then the system will serve you more.
Title: Re: <<<<<<< USA Entering a New Phase >>>>>>
Post by: The Yellow Magician on August 30, 2014, 05:39:46 PM
considering that all I hear anyone do is complain about their participation in the economy in one way or another
Well that's mostly because the people who complain tend to be the people who speak up the most. Those of us who are fine with our situation aren't going to constantly praise it (in contrast to the constant grumbling that the dissatisfied do) so you're naturally going to hear more complaining than praising for the current system. Also, for many of us, when we get to a point where we don't like something, we might grumble about it but eventually we do something about our situation by changing it; if I hate my job, I'll go get a new one. If I hate certain subcultures, I'll avoid them and instead associate with subcultures that I do like.

What many don't realize is that there are sub-economies within the overall economy as well, and if you don't like the sub-economy that you are living and working within, you can try to find another one that makes you happier.

The majority shouldn't have the right to impose itself on the minority either, yet it constantly does. The end of absolute majoritarian tyranny would be only another benefit of making economic systems a matter of explicit consent.
Actually, there isn't really an "absolute majoritarian tyranny". As explained above, those who don't like the way that the majority are doing something can create subcultures, sub-societies, and sub-economies of their own; and the minorities do. Think of the idea of "Chinatown" in any major city centre.

But the fact that it takes people to create an overall society and overall economy the way that it turns out, and the fact that the American people have been the ones creating their society and economy themselves over the past few hundred years, should tell you that the way things have turned out today is not the will of the minority who are supposedly "in power", but instead is due to the effort and will of the majority. That means that society as it stands in America, or any other democratic or semi-democratic place, is what the people who live there generally want it to be. It may not be perfect, but neither are the people who are creating it.

And when you hear grumblings and complaining and lots of people saying "I don't like the way the system is, we need to change it", that you could hear literally 2.6 million people complain about it, yet that's still only 1% of the American population who gets a vote on how things actually get to turn out. So the amount of grumbling you hear is not necessarily reflective of the will of the 99% of society.

~Steve

People still feel detached from the current situation by thinking the crisis hasn{t reached them, yet. When it does, it will be too late for them to move, to accomodate or to be adsorved into the fluid main stream events that will soon change the world.

 :cool:
Title: Re: <<<<<<< USA Entering a New Phase >>>>>>
Post by: The Yellow Magician on August 30, 2014, 05:44:43 PM
Replace it with whatever you decide in the moment to replace it with and serve as the basis for your economic actions. The destruction of the economy is not the destruction of economic systems, it is the destruction of an economic system that people serve rather than economic systems that are voluntarily consented to and which serve people. Once the freedom to make an explicit choice is implemented, rather than it existing as something over people, something that people must either passively accept or try to live(and be harassed; people who do this aren't peacefully left alone much of the time if they're found) in what little remains of the wild(and cause severe ecological disruption while one is at it) to avoid, then the matter will take of itself quickly enough-a a thousand solutions, not just a single one.

I can see you are upset with aspects of the economy we experience, and thus you are advocating for the destruction of it.  But let's distill what you're saying down to its core essentials by first addressing the fundamental question of what an economy is, and why we have one.

An economy exists to solve the fundamental problem that you're not really "entitled" to anything.  You are born naked and dumb, without tools, toys, or skills.  So starting from this perspective, let's say at some point you want a glass of milk with dinner.  How do you get that glass of milk?  You're not intrinsically entitled to a glass of milk, meaning there is no natural mechanism by which one will materialize in front of you.  You aren't even born with a cow, and you're not even intrinsically entitled to a cow.  This is a pretty serious problem if you think about it carefully.  The fact is, you intrinsically need a system of cooperation with other members of society which can help you to get that glass of milk.  But other people have no intrinsic reason to work hard preparing a glass of milk for you, and taking care of a cow for your sake.  You have to give them a reason, or an incentive.

Now you know these things already, but the reason I bring it up in such explicit terms is because you said, "the destruction of an economic system that people serve rather than economic systems that are voluntarily consented to and which serve people".  See, the problem is, since you fundamentally start out with no cow and no milk, the other people out there aren't going to serve you milk unless you are willing to serve them...  But the interactions with those other people ARE the economic system.  So you HAVE to serve an economic system if you want the economic system to serve you.  This isn't a product of any one economic system, but it's intrinsic to the nature of reality.  Economic structures like money and financial systems just provide us with a framework for solving this preexisting problem.

If at any point you don't like your interactions with an economic system, here is the best advice you'll ever get:  Look for ways to significantly increase your usefulness.  If you can become perceived as more useful, then the system will serve you more.


More BS from the teachie.... :wink:

The US has to fall and even adopt the strategies Cuba adopted after the fall of their financial system, the USSR. In other simple words, the US has a pile of shit karma waiting to be dealt with. Fasten your steatbelts, boys. ... and that includes you, Kobok.

El poder de la comunidad. Como Cuba sobrevivio al "pico del petróleo"
The Piwer of the Community. How Cuba Survived "Peak Oil".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vj_DV5ltdes

Yellow Magician  :cool:
Title: Re: <<<<<<< USA Entering a New Phase >>>>>>
Post by: Steve on September 01, 2014, 11:11:49 AM
People still feel detached from the current situation by thinking the crisis hasn{t reached them, yet. When it does, it will be too late for them to move, to accomodate or to be adsorved into the fluid main stream events that will soon change the world.

...

More BS from the teachie.... :wink:

The US has to fall and even adopt the strategies Cuba adopted after the fall of their financial system, the USSR. In other simple words, the US has a pile of shit karma waiting to be dealt with. Fasten your steatbelts, boys. ... and that includes you, Kobok.

El poder de la comunidad. Como Cuba sobrevivio al "pico del petróleo"
The Piwer of the Community. How Cuba Survived "Peak Oil".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vj_DV5ltdes

Yellow Magician  :cool:
More BS from the wannabe.... :wink:

There are potential problems that the USA is facing, but these are well known about in economic/market, geological, and political analysis and not what you think they are. Still better to fix a system than to try and destroy it immediately in order to theorize that there could "possibly" be a better one to put up, "maybe". A better way of handling it would be to figure out a new system, and then integrate it a piece at a time in a method that doesn't fuck over 100% of the people, all at once, for no good reason.

Weren't you going to be gone for a year?

~Steve
Title: Re: <<<<<<< USA Entering a New Phase >>>>>>
Post by: The Yellow Magician on September 03, 2014, 01:08:42 AM
People still feel detached from the current situation by thinking the crisis hasn{t reached them, yet. When it does, it will be too late for them to move, to accomodate or to be adsorved into the fluid main stream events that will soon change the world.

...

More BS from the teachie.... :wink:

The US has to fall and even adopt the strategies Cuba adopted after the fall of their financial system, the USSR. In other simple words, the US has a pile of shit karma waiting to be dealt with. Fasten your steatbelts, boys. ... and that includes you, Kobok.

El poder de la comunidad. Como Cuba sobrevivio al "pico del petróleo"
The Piwer of the Community. How Cuba Survived "Peak Oil".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vj_DV5ltdes

Yellow Magician  :cool:
More BS from the wannabe.... :wink:

There are potential problems that the USA is facing, but these are well known about in economic/market, geological, and political analysis and not what you think they are. Still better to fix a system than to try and destroy it immediately in order to theorize that there could "possibly" be a better one to put up, "maybe". A better way of handling it would be to figure out a new system, and then integrate it a piece at a time in a method that doesn't fuck over 100% of the people, all at once, for no good reason.

Weren't you going to be gone for a year?

~Steve

You can take the horse to the water, yet, you cannot force him to drink, despite the facts presented, right, Stevee?

No, I decided to bring a splinter that nobody of the deniers can deny, using logic, and it seems it worked.  :wink: You sound all worked out and without a solid argument. After the culling, called War and Ebola, the current system will fall "of its own" due to price increases, no work, and utter chaos and a dwindling consumer base that will be mostly in the cemeteries or lying in the middle of the streets.

After the chaos, AGENDA 21, CODEX ALIMENTARIUS, ELECTRONIC MONEY and the NEW WORLD ORDER and an ELECTRONIC CHIP in your right hand or in your forehead (the Bible calls it THE MARK OF THE BEAST are waiting to finally be pushed on the handful that survive.

Yellow Magician.  :cool:
Title: Re: <<<<<<< USA Entering a New Phase >>>>>>
Post by: Steve on September 03, 2014, 08:11:34 AM
People still feel detached from the current situation by thinking the crisis hasn{t reached them, yet. When it does, it will be too late for them to move, to accomodate or to be adsorved into the fluid main stream events that will soon change the world.

...

More BS from the teachie.... :wink:

The US has to fall and even adopt the strategies Cuba adopted after the fall of their financial system, the USSR. In other simple words, the US has a pile of shit karma waiting to be dealt with. Fasten your steatbelts, boys. ... and that includes you, Kobok.

El poder de la comunidad. Como Cuba sobrevivio al "pico del petróleo"
The Piwer of the Community. How Cuba Survived "Peak Oil".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vj_DV5ltdes

Yellow Magician  :cool:
More BS from the wannabe.... :wink:

There are potential problems that the USA is facing, but these are well known about in economic/market, geological, and political analysis and not what you think they are. Still better to fix a system than to try and destroy it immediately in order to theorize that there could "possibly" be a better one to put up, "maybe". A better way of handling it would be to figure out a new system, and then integrate it a piece at a time in a method that doesn't fuck over 100% of the people, all at once, for no good reason.

Weren't you going to be gone for a year?

~Steve

You can take the horse to the water, yet, you cannot force him to drink, despite the facts presented, right, Stevee?

No, I decided to bring a splinter that nobody of the deniers can deny, using logic, and it seems it worked.  :wink: You sound all worked out and without a solid argument. After the culling, called War and Ebola, the current system will fall "of its own" due to price increases, no work, and utter chaos and a dwindling consumer base that will be mostly in the cemeteries or lying in the middle of the streets.

After the chaos, AGENDA 21, CODEX ALIMENTARIUS, ELECTRONIC MONEY and the NEW WORLD ORDER and an ELECTRONIC CHIP in your right hand or in your forehead (the Bible calls it THE MARK OF THE BEAST are waiting to finally be pushed on the handful that survive.

Yellow Magician.  :cool:
I am not "all worked out" and I don't need a solid argument against your claims. Reality itself will be the proving point as to whether you are right or wrong. Hence why I am quoting your posts, to retain your predictions that you adore so much so that you cannot modify the message later :)

Also, the so-called "facts" that you presented are incredibly skewed towards the bias of disaster DESPITE humanity having survived MANY far worse plagues and wars in the past. Seriously man, try reading some uplifting prophecies, or even just uplifting books in general, rather than all the doom-ey ones. Open your eyes, and stop seeing only what you want to see.

~Steve
Title: Re: <<<<<<< USA Entering a New Phase >>>>>>
Post by: The Yellow Magician on September 03, 2014, 05:14:01 PM
Replace it with whatever you decide in the moment to replace it with and serve as the basis for your economic actions. The destruction of the economy is not the destruction of economic systems, it is the destruction of an economic system that people serve rather than economic systems that are voluntarily consented to and which serve people. Once the freedom to make an explicit choice is implemented, rather than it existing as something over people, something that people must either passively accept or try to live(and be harassed; people who do this aren't peacefully left alone much of the time if they're found) in what little remains of the wild(and cause severe ecological disruption while one is at it) to avoid, then the matter will take of itself quickly enough-a a thousand solutions, not just a single one.

I can see you are upset with aspects of the economy we experience, and thus you are advocating for the destruction of it.  But let's distill what you're saying down to its core essentials by first addressing the fundamental question of what an economy is, and why we have one.

An economy exists to solve the fundamental problem that you're not really "entitled" to anything.  You are born naked and dumb, without tools, toys, or skills.  So starting from this perspective, let's say at some point you want a glass of milk with dinner.  How do you get that glass of milk?  You're not intrinsically entitled to a glass of milk, meaning there is no natural mechanism by which one will materialize in front of you.  You aren't even born with a cow, and you're not even intrinsically entitled to a cow.  This is a pretty serious problem if you think about it carefully.  The fact is, you intrinsically need a system of cooperation with other members of society which can help you to get that glass of milk.  But other people have no intrinsic reason to work hard preparing a glass of milk for you, and taking care of a cow for your sake.  You have to give them a reason, or an incentive.

Now you know these things already, but the reason I bring it up in such explicit terms is because you said, "the destruction of an economic system that people serve rather than economic systems that are voluntarily consented to and which serve people".  See, the problem is, since you fundamentally start out with no cow and no milk, the other people out there aren't going to serve you milk unless you are willing to serve them...  But the interactions with those other people ARE the economic system.  So you HAVE to serve an economic system if you want the economic system to serve you.  This isn't a product of any one economic system, but it's intrinsic to the nature of reality.  Economic structures like money and financial systems just provide us with a framework for solving this preexisting problem.

If at any point you don't like your interactions with an economic system, here is the best advice you'll ever get:  Look for ways to significantly increase your usefulness.  If you can become perceived as more useful, then the system will serve you more.


Aaron Russo's Documentary ''America Freedom To Fascism'' Dir cut.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKeaw7HPG04
Title: Re: <<<<<<< USA Entering a New Phase >>>>>>
Post by: The Yellow Magician on September 03, 2014, 05:24:00 PM
considering that all I hear anyone do is complain about their participation in the economy in one way or another
Well that's mostly because the people who complain tend to be the people who speak up the most. Those of us who are fine with our situation aren't going to constantly praise it (in contrast to the constant grumbling that the dissatisfied do) so you're naturally going to hear more complaining than praising for the current system. Also, for many of us, when we get to a point where we don't like something, we might grumble about it but eventually we do something about our situation by changing it; if I hate my job, I'll go get a new one. If I hate certain subcultures, I'll avoid them and instead associate with subcultures that I do like.

What many don't realize is that there are sub-economies within the overall economy as well, and if you don't like the sub-economy that you are living and working within, you can try to find another one that makes you happier.

The majority shouldn't have the right to impose itself on the minority either, yet it constantly does. The end of absolute majoritarian tyranny would be only another benefit of making economic systems a matter of explicit consent.
Actually, there isn't really an "absolute majoritarian tyranny". As explained above, those who don't like the way that the majority are doing something can create subcultures, sub-societies, and sub-economies of their own; and the minorities do. Think of the idea of "Chinatown" in any major city centre.

But the fact that it takes people to create an overall society and overall economy the way that it turns out, and the fact that the American people have been the ones creating their society and economy themselves over the past few hundred years, should tell you that the way things have turned out today is not the will of the minority who are supposedly "in power", but instead is due to the effort and will of the majority. That means that society as it stands in America, or any other democratic or semi-democratic place, is what the people who live there generally want it to be. It may not be perfect, but neither are the people who are creating it.

And when you hear grumblings and complaining and lots of people saying "I don't like the way the system is, we need to change it", that you could hear literally 2.6 million people complain about it, yet that's still only 1% of the American population who gets a vote on how things actually get to turn out. So the amount of grumbling you hear is not necessarily reflective of the will of the 99% of society.

~Steve

The One Percent - YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmlX3fLQrEc
Title: Re: <<<<<<< USA Entering a New Phase >>>>>>
Post by: The Yellow Magician on September 03, 2014, 05:35:31 PM
People still feel detached from the current situation by thinking the crisis hasn{t reached them, yet. When it does, it will be too late for them to move, to accomodate or to be adsorved into the fluid main stream events that will soon change the world.

...

More BS from the teachie.... :wink:

The US has to fall and even adopt the strategies Cuba adopted after the fall of their financial system, the USSR. In other simple words, the US has a pile of shit karma waiting to be dealt with. Fasten your steatbelts, boys. ... and that includes you, Kobok.

El poder de la comunidad. Como Cuba sobrevivio al "pico del petróleo"
The Piwer of the Community. How Cuba Survived "Peak Oil".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vj_DV5ltdes

Yellow Magician  :cool:
More BS from the wannabe.... :wink:

There are potential problems that the USA is facing, but these are well known about in economic/market, geological, and political analysis and not what you think they are. Still better to fix a system than to try and destroy it immediately in order to theorize that there could "possibly" be a better one to put up, "maybe". A better way of handling it would be to figure out a new system, and then integrate it a piece at a time in a method that doesn't fuck over 100% of the people, all at once, for no good reason.

Weren't you going to be gone for a year?

~Steve

You can take the horse to the water, yet, you cannot force him to drink, despite the facts presented, right, Stevee?

No, I decided to bring a splinter that nobody of the deniers can deny, using logic, and it seems it worked.  :wink: You sound all worked out and without a solid argument. After the culling, called War and Ebola, the current system will fall "of its own" due to price increases, no work, and utter chaos and a dwindling consumer base that will be mostly in the cemeteries or lying in the middle of the streets.

After the chaos, AGENDA 21, CODEX ALIMENTARIUS, ELECTRONIC MONEY and the NEW WORLD ORDER and an ELECTRONIC CHIP in your right hand or in your forehead (the Bible calls it THE MARK OF THE BEAST are waiting to finally be pushed on the handful that survive.

Yellow Magician.  :cool:
I am not "all worked out" and I don't need a solid argument against your claims. Reality itself will be the proving point as to whether you are right or wrong. Hence why I am quoting your posts, to retain your predictions that you adore so much so that you cannot modify the message later :)

Also, the so-called "facts" that you presented are incredibly skewed towards the bias of disaster DESPITE humanity having survived MANY far worse plagues and wars in the past. Seriously man, try reading some uplifting prophecies, or even just uplifting books in general, rather than all the doom-ey ones. Open your eyes, and stop seeing only what you want to see.

~Steve

You used your usual verborreah but no solid denial. You seem out of center...  :wink:

Prophecies are what they are. You cannot ask to get just nice, uplifting, lovely messages. When you have a Remote View session, you don't filter what you see, otherwise the information will be useless. Besides, you are accustomed to seeing your country win in every situation, even if cheating, faulty, useless actions were done by it. You just have a bias and your blindfold does not let you see, which is in your own detriment. Same for Kobok. Oh, well. Birds of a feather...
Title: Re: <<<<<<< USA Entering a New Phase >>>>>>
Post by: Shinichi on September 03, 2014, 06:00:25 PM
The One Percent - YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmlX3fLQrEc

(http://www.brimg.net/images/20111024-agi-floor-percentiles.png)

The Top 1 Percent: How Much Do They Earn? (http://www.bankrate.com/finance/taxes/top-1-percent-earn.aspx)

The issue of the income gap aside (which is not unique to America, nor is it anything new), the general "one percent" thing is an exaggerated propaganda campaign contrived by a protest movement that, for all practical purposes, is long dead. The rich are powerful, but they don't always get what they want. Many billionaires behind the losing team learn this every election.



~:Shin:~
Title: Re: <<<<<<< USA Entering a New Phase >>>>>>
Post by: The Yellow Magician on September 05, 2014, 02:16:53 AM
The One Percent - YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmlX3fLQrEc

(http://www.brimg.net/images/20111024-ag-floor-percentiles.png)

The Top 1 Percent: How Much Do They Earn? (http://www.bankrate.com/finance/taxes/top-1-percent-earn.aspx)

The issue of the income gap aside (which is not unique to America, nor is it anything new), the general "one percent" thing is an exaggerated propaganda campaign contrived by a protest movement that, for all practical purposes, is long dead. The rich are powerful, but they don't always get what they want. Many billionaires behind the losing team learn this every election.



~:Shin:~

I respect your view. You deserve your fate, Shin. Go on, lick the soles and don't take your blinders off. Is the taste good? Just wait a few weeks more to see if you like a stronger taste of manure.

Yellow Magician.  :cool:

P.S.

Global Wealth Inequality - What you never knew you never knew
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWSxzjyMNpU

Wealth Inequality in America
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPKKQnijnsM
Title: Re: <<<<<<< USA Entering a New Phase >>>>>>
Post by: Constructman on September 05, 2014, 05:47:09 AM
The One Percent - YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmlX3fLQrEc

(http://www.brimg.net/images/20111024-agi-floor-percentiles.png)

The Top 1 Percent: How Much Do They Earn? (http://www.bankrate.com/finance/taxes/top-1-percent-earn.aspx)

The issue of the income gap aside (which is not unique to America, nor is it anything new), the general "one percent" thing is an exaggerated propaganda campaign contrived by a protest movement that, for all practical purposes, is long dead. The rich are powerful, but they don't always get what they want. Many billionaires behind the losing team learn this every election.



~:Shin:~

I respect your view. You deserve your fate, Shin. Go on, lick the soles and don't take your blinders off. Is the taste good? Just wait a few weeks more to see if you like a stronger taste of manure.

Yellow Magician.  :cool:

Okay, okay, okay. I've watched long enough.

Yellow, this condescending attitude and failure to adhere to standard process of argument doesn't help anybody. You express your view, he expresses his view, but what do you do? You just blow him off. You don't do anything to defend your viewppint:; rather, you heap on the ad hominem by calling him ignorant and predict something happening to him (I would say without source, but I'm assuming you're referring back to your original one percent point).

Explain why he'll be tasting manure soon. Explain why he's wrong. Argue the point, tear him down. But don't blow him off.

To everybody else: if this guy doesn't learn manners and proper debate conventions really soon, we really ought just to ignore him. He could be a troll, for all we know.
Title: Re: <<<<<<< USA Entering a New Phase >>>>>>
Post by: Searcher on September 05, 2014, 06:57:05 AM
we really ought just to ignore him. He could be a troll, for all we know.

Your in good company Yellow because I'm supposed to be one?

Although I do not agree with everything you say YM, I too made a similar prediction about America. Luckily we in the UK have distanced ourselves and put protective measures in place, we call it ring fencing.

Searcher
Love and peace to all
Title: Re: <<<<<<< USA Entering the Final Phase >>>>>>
Post by: The Yellow Magician on September 05, 2014, 04:00:22 PM
we really ought just to ignore him. He could be a troll, for all we know.

Your in good company Yellow because I'm supposed to be one?

Although I do not agree with everything you say YM, I too made a similar prediction about America. Luckily we in the UK have distanced ourselves and put protective measures in place, we call it ring fencing.

Searcher
Love and peace to all

Thank you, Searcher. I know. After all, anyone who doesn't agree with the "official" point of view, is a troll.  :biggrin: Gotta line with the Holy, Divine and Supreme Council of egos, or face negative karma, which is useless, save it can control the sheeple down. By your karma rating I see you're an independent thinker. Way to go.

Thanks for confirming the prophecy.  :) Even though I wished it wouldn't happen, I received the information. I should pass it up. Now, that if people get a chip on the shoulder like some here, I am not so sure I want it to be of use to them.  :wink: Let them eat cake.

My point is that I don't have to prophecy to the liking of anyone. Prophecies are given by a higher source as they will happen, and we cannot use make-up to make them look more appealing to certain people.

Yellow Magician.  :cool:

Baba Vanga stated Obama would be the last US President...
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1401383/pg1
Title: Re: <<<<<<< USA Entering the Final Phase >>>>>>
Post by: Constructman on September 05, 2014, 04:04:06 PM
I didn't say that you were a troll because of the content of your sayings. I said it because you seemed to be adamant about using ad hominem, deferring back to unverifiable sources, sometimes being a prick when arguing; you say what you gotta say, but can please, please, please be more civil about it and not blow up in the face of argument?
Title: Re: <<<<<<< USA Entering the Final Phase >>>>>>
Post by: The Yellow Magician on September 06, 2014, 05:46:09 AM
I didn't say that you were a troll because of the content of your sayings. I said it because you seemed to be adamant about using ad hominem, deferring back to unverifiable sources, sometimes being a prick when arguing; you say what you gotta say, but can please, please, please be more civil about it and not blow up in the face of argument?

Well,
if you set rules for what you call verifiable data, differently for me, than for you, that's fucked up. You and your friends want to pick and choose what you will accept and what not. I took some visions from Steve and I didn't ask him to prove them to me, because he won't be able to. Get your shit together, with your fucking scientific method you use, for starters. Otherwise, an argument on any matter isn't possible. Besides, your buddies have abused the ban button once on me, just for not conforming, and have told me not to revive threads that have had no new post in the last 60 days. I see no rules about that. I have not prohibited anything to you that isn't in your own rules.

Be fair, when you ask for something, or the only thing left is scream and yell.

Isn't America abused her use of democracy by giving the world slavery, thieving resources and going to kill the innocent in their own land? Be a good American and play by the same rules than the rest of the world. PLAY FAIR, or quit bullshitting. Grow some honesty.

Yellow Magician.  :cool: