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Title: Meditation and time travel
Post by: fire_fist on March 29, 2011, 06:49:25 AM
What is time? How would you define time?

My bus stop is a 10 min walk from my house. I've been walking it everyday since high school and even now while im at uni, and it always took 10 min, maybe 8 min when i was abit late and walked faster. 2 months ago, i got back into psionics after i stopped about 1.5 years ago, so naturally, im starting from the basics, meditation.

Now since i dont get that much time to practice since im always busy, i take any time i can to practice, and so i decided to practice while walking to the bus stop, since its routine so i can do it everyday regularly, plus i could also train how to meditate in non-ideal conditions. Of course it wouldn't be deep meditation, but its better than nothing. After a while i got good i could shutdown thoughts almost instantly when actually meditating, but i also noticed something else.

i noticed that sometimes i got to the bus stop in just under 8 min, walking at the same pace if not slower, a distance that took 10 min. As i got even better, it took about 6 min, and now it takes me just under 5 min! Walking at exactly the same pace i normally took, sometimes even slower, it takes me half the time to travel the same distance, simply because i meditate.

i remember reading some article about some guy who noticed than any watch within a 2 meter radius around him, both analog and digital, would slow down by upto 20 min when meditating at home, and then would eventually catch up to normal time, sometime after he stopped. Another article talked about 2 reiki practitioners who set up an experiment, where one would send reiki to the other guy at some time in the morning and the other guy would be the receiver. The sender woke up at 11am, sent the reiki at 12 noon with the intent that the receiver would recieve it at 10am, and sure enough, the receiver later said that he felt the reiki at 10am, so basically the sender sent the reiki into the past.

This leads me to think that time isn't as rectilinear ( 1 dimensional, forward only) as we are led to believe. Which brings me to the question, what is time? How would you define time?

Have you had/heard of any similar experiences?

Title: Re: Meditation and time travel
Post by: Iatros on March 29, 2011, 09:51:18 AM
I would define time as consciousness' way of separating a unified reality into smaller, comprehensible parts in an orderly fashion. An x^0 reality (perception of unity, point) is therefore perceived as an x^1 reality (perception of linear time, line).

From then on, think of mundane events as other lines, which can intersect linear reality at only one point. Okay. Now, take a hypothetical force which is equivalent to x^2. Two intersections in the timestream. Etcetera.

In extension, increased understanding of reality allows for increasingly complex manipulations of it, and the confrontation of x^0 (enlightenment, ascension) equates its transcendence.
Title: Re: Meditation and time travel
Post by: Wren on March 29, 2011, 03:11:48 PM
RetroPK  :wink:
Title: Re: Meditation and time travel
Post by: Akenu on March 30, 2011, 12:33:36 AM
@fire_fist: Regarding Reiki:
On Reiki II you will get ability to send energy on distance... and also into present, future and past. Symbol for this is called Hon-Sha-Ze-Sho-Nen
If you have any experience with energy working I can learn you how to use this symbol :)
Title: Re: Meditation and time travel
Post by: supadude on March 30, 2011, 07:28:45 AM
my dad has adhd and he finds that he cannot calm down unless he goes for a walk, my dad sometimes would travel miles in short amounts of time, he says "walking helps me clear my head" he sometimes would be amazed himself  when he looked at the time when he got back and when i ask him about it he says he just walks at his normal pace as well. and this walking meditation is great for him because he gets agitated easily and cant sit down for two minutes to do any focal meditation. I know your on to something so keep looking into this.


Walking meditation = real life Super speed?
Title: Re: Meditation and time travel
Post by: Akenu on March 30, 2011, 07:39:21 AM
Time is just illusion...
Title: Re: Meditation and time travel
Post by: supadude on March 30, 2011, 08:53:33 AM
Time is just illusion...

to the individual, but to a mass of singular consciousness's, linear flow of time exists because so many are observing each others objective reality, which creates an subjective reality for all to observe. but when one breaks away and observes only his/her objective reality, the observer's perception of it will change their objective reality and carry over into the subjective when others observe your objective reality instead of the subjective reality.
Title: Re: Meditation and time travel
Post by: Akenu on March 30, 2011, 08:57:17 AM
I think you have substituted objective and subjective on few occasions :).

From point of God there is no time and no place, point is everywhere and everything is in one point (this is hard to explain as it cannot be imagined). Our brain is simply not build to imagine such thing as timeless "non-space" :).
Title: Re: Meditation and time travel
Post by: Steve on March 30, 2011, 04:30:17 PM
Oddly enough, I've experienced similar things; when walking while meditating, I can sometimes get to destinations a lot faster even when I'm purposefully walking slower (that's part of the meditation I use) than when I'm fully awake and walking fast. And when I'm at work, I seem to get so much more work done when I'm barely cognizant of what I'm doing due to meditation (I'm mostly doing paperwork now, so I don't have to worry about things like getting run over lol), compared to when I'm fully awake and alert and still doing my work quickly, though this is a subjective indicator as I have no objective means of comparing the two properly.

I've found that it's definitely something worthwhile to do ^_^

~Steve
Title: Re: Meditation and time travel
Post by: Iatros on March 30, 2011, 08:02:15 PM
Adding this to things that I might do studies on when I'm a grad student. Obviously I wouldn't say that people were manipulating reality, but if this was a statistically significant occurrence, it would certainly raise some eyebrows.
Title: Re: Meditation and time travel
Post by: supadude on April 01, 2011, 06:39:11 PM
Im going to try sitting down with a watch and  and meditating normally, then taking that watch to my laptop and logging on to the universal clock website to see how accurate the clock is, i will provide pictures of my data and post them here

here is the website if anyone else is interested in doing this expiriment themselves
http://time.gov/ (http://time.gov/)

Title: Re: Meditation and time travel
Post by: fire_fist on April 02, 2011, 08:34:37 PM
my dad has adhd and he finds that he cannot calm down unless he goes for a walk, my dad sometimes would travel miles in short amounts of time, he says "walking helps me clear my head" he sometimes would be amazed himself  when he looked at the time when he got back and when i ask him about it he says he just walks at his normal pace as well. and this walking meditation is great for him because he gets agitated easily and cant sit down for two minutes to do any focal meditation. I know your on to something so keep looking into this.


Walking meditation = real life Super speed?

I'll definitely keep looking into this. Your comment got me thinking about another concept, teleportation. Maybe as you progress this "skill" even further, you could get to a point where you are in such a deep state that travel becomes virtually instantaneous.

@fire_fist: Regarding Reiki:
On Reiki II you will get ability to send energy on distance... and also into present, future and past. Symbol for this is called Hon-Sha-Ze-Sho-Nen
If you have any experience with energy working I can learn you how to use this symbol :)

I have some basic energy working experience under my belt. I have never dealt with reiki before though, i have only heard about it. Would that symbol you mentioned happen to be the reiki Distance symbol? I'd be keen to learn more  :)


Oddly enough, I've experienced similar things; when walking while meditating, I can sometimes get to destinations a lot faster even when I'm purposefully walking slower (that's part of the meditation I use) than when I'm fully awake and walking fast. And when I'm at work, I seem to get so much more work done when I'm barely cognizant of what I'm doing due to meditation (I'm mostly doing paperwork now, so I don't have to worry about things like getting run over lol), compared to when I'm fully awake and alert and still doing my work quickly, though this is a subjective indicator as I have no objective means of comparing the two properly.

I've found that it's definitely something worthwhile to do ^_^

~Steve
What i find interesting is that it feels like it takes exactly the same amount of time. I have tried several things. I tried walking even slower, leaving the house with exactly 5 min till the bus, i always make it and its still faster than when im rushing late. I'll keep working at it, see how much progress i make.
Title: Re: Meditation and time travel
Post by: Iatros on April 02, 2011, 08:40:36 PM
Im going to try sitting down with a watch and  and meditating normally, then taking that watch to my laptop and logging on to the universal clock website to see how accurate the clock is, i will provide pictures of my data and post them here

here is the website if anyone else is interested in doing this expiriment themselves
http://time.gov/ (http://time.gov/)



Of course, success in this would imply that meditating with the universal clock to slow it down would, what, give humanity as a whole more time? I bet that if this effect even exists objectively that it's more complicated than this.
Title: Re: Meditation and time travel
Post by: supadude on April 03, 2011, 11:55:21 AM
Im going to try sitting down with a watch and  and meditating normally, then taking that watch to my laptop and logging on to the universal clock website to see how accurate the clock is, i will provide pictures of my data and post them here

here is the website if anyone else is interested in doing this expiriment themselves
http://time.gov/ (http://time.gov/)



Of course, success in this would imply that meditating with the universal clock to slow it down would, what, give humanity as a whole more time? I bet that if this effect even exists objectively that it's more complicated than this.

no im talking about using that as a control, and using like a cell phone or a wristwatch for the expiriment
Title: Re: Meditation and time travel
Post by: Iatros on April 03, 2011, 02:18:50 PM
I know. I'm talking about hypothetically not using it as a control, but as a subject. The implications are difficult to swallow, e.g., all clocks standardized to time.gov would slow in relation to all nonstandardized clocks; prolonged success would result in the sun rising and setting at the wrong time. See what I mean?
Title: Re: Meditation and time travel
Post by: supadude on April 03, 2011, 03:32:55 PM
one may be able to do that temporarily but i believe time would naturally correct itself

i did my expiriment, i cant get the pictures up because my phone is being a peice of shit, i recorded no change mabye only nominal like a 30 sec time difference, meditated for 20 mins, got interrupted multiple times, so im not even going to try to get the pics. the phone isnt letting me email pictures to my email so i cant download them
Title: Re: Meditation and time travel
Post by: Li-Ten-Ra on April 26, 2011, 12:25:26 PM
I see time as a force that goes in one direction, but a fragile one. We have the ability to move ourselves outside of time, forward and backward as well, by simply putting enough of ourselves into the task. Chronokinesis is one of my favorite fields of study actually.
Title: Re: Meditation and time travel
Post by: Dancing_Crow on April 29, 2011, 11:39:42 AM
For me, I see time as linked to space which radiates from the center to all directions. (including above and below).

The reverse is also true for me... I see space as linked to time which radiates from all directions to the center. (including below and above).

:)
Title: Re: Meditation and time travel
Post by: Lilith on May 05, 2011, 12:32:09 PM
In Unity time is  continuously and instantaneously  emanating in all directions  and not present at the same time.
Title: Re: Meditation and time travel
Post by: Forg on May 13, 2011, 12:57:28 PM
Generally, I would call this a matter of perception rather than an alteration on the nature of time. Far to often is the 'supernatural' related to an otherwise mundane phenomena. In this case, if one is meditating while walking, your focus is deterred from the act. If you are not focusing on your pace, it's not an unlikely notion that you may have just been walking much faster and not realize that you were.

I don't recommend meditation while walking simply because if you would like to achieve deeper levels of focus (or whatever it is you might be seeking), ideally, should be an environment that minimizes distraction. That, and the fact that I've attempted walking meditation, and walking into traffic is a bad idea >_>

That being said, if you'd like some more empirical evidence, I'd suggest you invest in a pedometer that can track your speed based on your steps. (Note: this device does not track the location of sex offenders. Don't talk to strangers, kids.)
Title: Re: Meditation and time travel
Post by: Steve on May 14, 2011, 03:46:25 AM
Generally, I would call this a matter of perception rather than an alteration on the nature of time. Far to often is the 'supernatural' related to an otherwise mundane phenomena. In this case, if one is meditating while walking, your focus is deterred from the act. If you are not focusing on your pace, it's not an unlikely notion that you may have just been walking much faster and not realize that you were.
Generally, I would call this a matter of perception as well. However, when I'm fully awake and alert, I walk fast; I've met only a handful of people over the course of my life who naturally walk as fast as I do. When I'm meditating, my pace slows down so considerably that I really don't need an external device to show I'm walking a lot slower; it's not a matter of "losing awareness of how fast I'm walking" because I don't "walking meditate" that way. Verification is two-fold: when I'm fully awake and alert I walk with a forward slant such that my center of balance is constantly falling forward and I'm pushing myself forward to prevent myself from falling over, versus when I'm meditate-walking and my center of balance is very relaxedly over my feet and I feel content enough in a relaxed pace that I spend very little energy in moving it (which is NOT to say that I need to spend very little energy to move it quickly); secondly, when I'm fully awake and alert I walk at a pace where my friends have to jog to keep up with me or I have to constantly stop and wait for them, versus when I'm walking at a meditative pace I have to "hurry" myself just a little in order to keep up with the same friends.

Plus, I time myself based on well-used paths that I time myself on many times while awake and alert before I time myself while meditating and still time myself during each again and again. I can't say that my case is the result of metaphysical phenomenon, but I do know that it's not merely me losing track of my own pace or the time.

~Steve
Title: Re: Meditation and time travel
Post by: Mindlessinvalid on May 14, 2011, 06:45:26 PM
Well, I have quite a bit of experience with two possible metaphysical explanations, however due to observations I've made in my own experimentations I can tell you that supadude's experiment will be likely inconclusive.

The FTMCS explanation: Time is a function of space and can be dilated and compressed but not reversed. The past is only immutable if not in a state of quantum uncertainty. If one performs an operation on time, an equal shift will happen toward the opposite operation when tension(the active manipulation of time) as ceased. This is my explanation for the events surrounding invocations and channellings of FTMCS.

The Causal Slip: Time is immutable, no functions may be enacted on time. Causal deviations where Causality bleeds into the realm of effect can imitate the effects of time manipulation. No hypothetical explanation for the lag that occurs from such operations at this time because of insufficient understanding of the mechanics at play.

Given what I've seen, any deviation from the idea that any action will rubberband back into continuity after the tension is released is likely fudged research (false documentation), but I'd like to see any results anyone else has come up with regardless of the findings so I can revise my hypothesis.

Chronomancy is basically my baby.