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Title: Morphosephram - The Handbook of Shadows
Post by: CanisLupusArctos on February 13, 2009, 08:26:48 AM
I hope i dont bother anyone with this topic, but i baught the M.T.H.O.S from William R Wraithe, I know the Golden Dawn and some others dont like him, because they say he released some of their secrets to the puplic and the book is to dangerous.

But I would like to know some other opinions and views, i am really interested in that book and i would like to know if the rituals are such dangerous as it seems to be. I searched the web, but i found only a bit of information. I dont want to annoy anybody with this thread. If i do so please tell me.
Title: Re: Morphosephram - The Handbook of Shadows
Post by: Big Boss on February 13, 2009, 08:44:15 AM
I don't have any comments on the book (never heard of it, though I seriously doubt you could cause yourself or anyone else any major harm by merely reading a book.) though I will say that you can go ahead and be as annoying as you want as long as you don't break the rules.

Seriously, we have plenty of annoying people here and knowing that you actually care if you are annoying or not shows us that you aren't really going to be trouble.
Title: Re: Morphosephram - The Handbook of Shadows
Post by: Steve on February 13, 2009, 10:35:31 AM
Well, a google search for the book name and the author name come up with a lot of sites talking about using it to become a werewolf... hopefully if it contains anything close to even one secret of the GD it would have more content than that in it.

A search of the author's name brings up only a couple of small websites. Nothing in wikipedia or any other large website, and nothing at all tying his name to the GD. Unless someone more knowledgable about this author and/or book comes along and says otherwise, I'm going to go with the idea that his book is being hyped up.

~Steve
Title: Re: Morphosephram - The Handbook of Shadows
Post by: kobok on February 13, 2009, 12:56:21 PM
they say he released some of their secrets to the puplic and the book is to dangerous.

Many groups are out there that like to keep their techniques secret.  Most of the people here, however, believe that techniques are better refined when they see the light of day and face open analysis.  Most claims of techniques being "too powerful" or "too dangerous" to be discussed openly turn out to either not be so powerful, or not be so dangerous.  However by keeping things a secret, groups are often able to maintain a mystique of something being powerful or unique even if it is not.

Well, a google search for the book name and the author name come up with a lot of sites talking about using it to become a werewolf...

You didn't by any chance notice the name of the original poster?
Title: Re: Morphosephram - The Handbook of Shadows
Post by: CanisLupusArctos on February 13, 2009, 01:45:27 PM
There are three main sections in the book with a number of different rituals to complete the goal of the section and a lot of other stuff, like meditation technics, shields, sigils and recipes for ingridients. I heard a lot about his writer and i hoped to find some verified information about him and the book. I dont think the book is a fake or hyped, cant explain it, i feel it. And its a little bit strange, when you read the book its seems to change. You discover passages and phrases and your sure there was no such passage before.
Title: Re: Morphosephram - The Handbook of Shadows
Post by: Grimmjow on February 13, 2009, 05:18:18 PM
Perhaps you can make a PDF of the book so we can read it?
Title: Re: Morphosephram - The Handbook of Shadows
Post by: CanisLupusArctos on February 13, 2009, 11:14:59 PM
You can buy it as a pdf file at lulu.com, it would be a copyright violation if i post a pdf document of the book. Sry, i thaught someone has read it and know the writer or has some information about both.
Title: Re: Morphosephram - The Handbook of Shadows
Post by: Tankdown on February 14, 2009, 02:03:05 PM
There are three main sections in the book with a number of different rituals to complete the goal of the section and a lot of other stuff, like meditation technics, shields, sigils and recipes for ingridients. I heard a lot about his writer and i hoped to find some verified information about him and the book. I dont think the book is a fake or hyped, cant explain it, i feel it. And its a little bit strange, when you read the book its seems to change. You discover passages and phrases and your sure there was no such passage before.
Don't be confusing yourself with the book
Title: Re: Morphosephram - The Handbook of Shadows
Post by: CanisLupusArctos on February 14, 2009, 11:39:12 PM
Thanks for the advice, but some usefull information would be nice.
Title: Re: Morphosephram - The Handbook of Shadows
Post by: amorfati on February 15, 2009, 12:51:16 AM
Are you trying to become a werewolf?...

Seriously?...
Title: Re: Morphosephram - The Handbook of Shadows
Post by: CanisLupusArctos on February 15, 2009, 08:55:44 AM
I wanna merge with my animal spirit wolf. Its not my goal to become a werewolf, that could be a side effect but i dont know that and its not a werewolf like the movie thing, its more shapeshifter like.
Title: Re: Morphosephram - The Handbook of Shadows
Post by: Cheezee on February 15, 2009, 09:15:09 AM
Pretty much bogus I'd estimate. The human body isn't made to contain a nonhuman spirit, nor is it made to morph in any way.
Title: Re: Morphosephram - The Handbook of Shadows
Post by: Dea on February 15, 2009, 10:11:55 AM
It does, however, have the capacity to change one's personality to include believed traits of an animal. If that's what you're going for, a bit of simple meditation would work wonders.
Title: Re: Morphosephram - The Handbook of Shadows
Post by: Cheezee on February 15, 2009, 10:13:01 AM
Yes.
Title: Re: Morphosephram - The Handbook of Shadows
Post by: Big Boss on February 15, 2009, 10:13:40 AM
Berserkerganger would do something like that, merging with the spirit animal. The concept is taking on the ferocity of an animal that you desire to be more like and to take that into battle. Going into such a frenzied trance takes a while to do properly, so they say.

However, I'm not sure you can really literally merge with an animal spirit. I don't claim to know everything about the Metaphysical anatomy of the soul, but it sets off a lot of my natural alarms.

See what happens, give it a try. If it doesn't work out, try to take a different approach to achieve the same ends (IE: Meditating upon the qualities of the animal you admire.)

Also, I just remember, I seem to recall something about ancient Asian warriors merging with demon spirits in order to improve their effectiveness in combat. May be worth looking into.
Title: Re: Morphosephram - The Handbook of Shadows
Post by: Cheezee on February 15, 2009, 10:17:26 AM
That would generally be invocation I guess.
Title: Re: Morphosephram - The Handbook of Shadows
Post by: amorfati on February 15, 2009, 11:57:07 AM
Could I do the same kind of merge with my spirit guide, Ron Paul?
Title: Re: Morphosephram - The Handbook of Shadows
Post by: Tankdown on February 15, 2009, 01:07:11 PM
Or you could just take steroids, they pretty much have the same side effects.
Title: Re: Morphosephram - The Handbook of Shadows
Post by: Cheezee on February 15, 2009, 01:23:27 PM
amorfati: Trolling is and art. You still have to practice to make it look good.
Title: Re: Morphosephram - The Handbook of Shadows
Post by: kobok on February 15, 2009, 01:33:05 PM
The concept is taking on the ferocity of an animal that you desire to be more like and to take that into battle.

Or one could just study a Kung Fu path with animal styles.
Title: Re: Morphosephram - The Handbook of Shadows
Post by: CanisLupusArctos on February 15, 2009, 02:11:37 PM
lol

its a serious intent not a joke...

I try several ways to this goal, meditation is one way and its also necessary for the magical way.

And the problem with the mass, the ability of the human soul to merge with the animal spirit and the ability to transform is explained in the book in a very logical way.

 
Title: Re: Morphosephram - The Handbook of Shadows
Post by: amorfati on February 15, 2009, 05:52:53 PM
amorfati: Trolling is and art. You still have to practice to make it look good.
I'm sorry that I sometimes post lighthearted comments.
Title: Re: Morphosephram - The Handbook of Shadows
Post by: Big Boss on February 15, 2009, 05:54:50 PM
The concept is taking on the ferocity of an animal that you desire to be more like and to take that into battle.

Or one could just study a Kung Fu path with animal styles.


Ah, but then you miss out on the pants-shittingly fear-inducing otherworldly rage emanating from the very eyes of the viking that is running at you with ungodly speed. :)
Title: Re: Morphosephram - The Handbook of Shadows
Post by: Cheezee on February 16, 2009, 04:33:19 AM
amorfati: Trolling is and art. You still have to practice to make it look good.
I'm sorry that I sometimes post lighthearted comments.

It's not like you can't psot stuff like that at all, I'm not trying to say that. I do it, too :P
However, you could do that outside the main boards :)
Title: Re: Morphosephram - The Handbook of Shadows
Post by: Sethair on February 16, 2009, 07:50:36 AM
The concept is taking on the ferocity of an animal that you desire to be more like and to take that into battle.

Or one could just study a Kung Fu path with animal styles.


Ah, but then you miss out on the pants-shittingly fear-inducing otherworldly rage emanating from the very eyes of the viking that is running at you with ungodly speed. :)

Thank God somebody said it!


Well, what do you have to lose? Just give it a shot and let us know.
Title: Re: Morphosephram - The Handbook of Shadows
Post by: unicornangel on February 18, 2009, 09:02:31 AM
not trying to offend anyone, but some native american societies also believed in animal spirits being guides and "brothers"
Title: Re: Morphosephram - The Handbook of Shadows
Post by: Steve on February 18, 2009, 09:22:49 AM
The concept is taking on the ferocity of an animal that you desire to be more like and to take that into battle.

Or one could just study a Kung Fu path with animal styles.


Ah, but then you miss out on the pants-shittingly fear-inducing otherworldly rage emanating from the very eyes of the viking that is running at you with ungodly speed. :)
No you don't. Martial arts is more than enough for both the fear inducing look in the eyes and the speed.

~Steve
Title: Re: Morphosephram - The Handbook of Shadows
Post by: CanisLupusArctos on February 19, 2009, 05:20:09 AM
not trying to offend anyone, but some native american societies also believed in animal spirits being guides and "brothers"

Thats right, some rituals are near to the native american ideas... but not all, the author say the rituals come from some divine entities (demons). But i think in this forum is no one who read the book so i have to search elsewhere for some information and knowledge about it.
Title: Re: Morphosephram - The Handbook of Shadows
Post by: amorfati on February 22, 2009, 03:09:13 PM
amorfati: Trolling is and art. You still have to practice to make it look good.
I'm sorry that I sometimes post lighthearted comments.

It's not like you can't psot stuff like that at all, I'm not trying to say that. I do it, too :P
However, you could do that outside the main boards :)
Well, some kid thinking he can magickally transform into a werewolf isn't exactly something that qualifies serious responses.

Just saying.
Title: Re: Morphosephram - The Handbook of Shadows
Post by: Tankdown on February 22, 2009, 03:14:59 PM
The proof is in the pudding.
Title: Re: Morphosephram - The Handbook of Shadows
Post by: Cheezee on February 22, 2009, 04:26:43 PM
amorfati: Trolling is and art. You still have to practice to make it look good.
I'm sorry that I sometimes post lighthearted comments.

It's not like you can't psot stuff like that at all, I'm not trying to say that. I do it, too :P
However, you could do that outside the main boards :)
Well, some kid thinking he can magickally transform into a werewolf isn't exactly something that qualifies serious responses.










 

Just saying.


Lol, yea.
Title: Re: Morphosephram - The Handbook of Shadows
Post by: Sethair on February 23, 2009, 07:18:05 AM
Well, if he wants to go try and do it, let him. We say we know it doesn't work and he tries anyways, who is really at a loss? No one. Unless you want to say time spent was a loss.

If it doesn't work, then he learns it doesn't work. He was warned.
Title: Re: Morphosephram - The Handbook of Shadows
Post by: Aurafire on February 23, 2009, 09:50:58 AM
Werewolf transformation is tricky to master, but it can be done. The technique is simple. Wait for a full moon. On the nights the full moon is around literally stare into it from when the sun goes down until it rises in the morning. While staring, fuse your being with the idea of a werewolf. If everything goes correctly, you'll wind up naked, under a tree, or possibly on top of a skyscraper. After that, you just need to work on controlling the skill. Good luck!
Title: Re: Morphosephram - The Handbook of Shadows
Post by: Cheezee on February 23, 2009, 11:01:06 AM
A technique from folklore states that you have to wear a belt made of a wolf's fur while you make a pact with the devil on a full moon's night. Or something.
Title: Re: Morphosephram - The Handbook of Shadows
Post by: Aurafire on February 23, 2009, 11:06:56 AM
A technique from folklore states that you have to wear a belt made of a wolf's fur while you make a pact with the devil on a full moon's night. Or something.

That's correct to a degree. My sources more accurately state that you should be wearing apple bottom jeans and boots with the fur.
Title: Re: Morphosephram - The Handbook of Shadows
Post by: Cheezee on February 23, 2009, 12:25:01 PM
The whole club should be looking at you, too.
Once these requirements are fulfilled, you should hit the floor.
Title: Re: Morphosephram - The Handbook of Shadows
Post by: CanisLupusArctos on February 23, 2009, 11:50:07 PM
Thank you for the qualified answers. Sometimes its better to be quiet.

I did not ask you about becoming a were-creature, i asked you about a book and its author. If you dont know anything about it, just dont post crap. I thaught this is a professional board with open-minded people.

Title: Re: Morphosephram - The Handbook of Shadows
Post by: amorfati on February 24, 2009, 12:01:11 AM
Thank you for the qualified answers. Sometimes its better to be quiet.

I did not ask you about becoming a were-creature, i asked you about a book and its author. If you dont know anything about it, just dont post crap. I thaught this is a professional board with open-minded people.


We're not so open minded as to think that one could transform oneself into a werewolf. Sorry. Open mindedness and free-thinking should not be two entirely different things. We're not open-minded to the point of absurdity.

If you want to limit the discussion into just discussing one book that apparently no one knows anything about, it's your loss.

You can't limit feedback to only the answers you want to hear. (hint: I'm pretty sure that the "qualified answers" were sarcasm, if I'm wrong correct me).
Title: Re: Morphosephram - The Handbook of Shadows
Post by: Steve on February 24, 2009, 12:24:51 AM
Some are open minded, some are were-idiots who irrationally hound people at even the hint of fluff, without first stopping to ask and make sure that there really is fluff in the topic.

~Steve
Title: Re: Morphosephram - The Handbook of Shadows
Post by: Aurafire on February 24, 2009, 01:44:17 AM
I thought my instructions were pretty clear, but of course it's all up to interpretation. But would you know it, the next thing you know shorty got low, low, low.....
Title: Re: Morphosephram - The Handbook of Shadows
Post by: CanisLupusArctos on February 24, 2009, 03:18:41 AM
Just forget it, useless to write any more words. You are right, my fault to ask about a book no one knows.

@Admin

please close the thread
Title: Re: Morphosephram - The Handbook of Shadows
Post by: Cheezee on February 24, 2009, 03:44:55 AM
In b4 closed
YRAH!
Title: Re: Morphosephram - The Handbook of Shadows
Post by: Big Boss on February 24, 2009, 05:39:27 AM
You should all be ashamed for behaving like ignorant kids. CanisLupusArctos has every right to be disappointed in the behavior displayed in this thread.

I know nobody's perfect, but we're here to discuss the nature of metaphysics with each other, and that does not include making assumptions about a person's character or level of maturity. It's not conducive to any positive process and makes you look foolish and pathetic.
Title: Re: Morphosephram - The Handbook of Shadows
Post by: amorfati on February 24, 2009, 07:36:25 AM
Calling someone "closed minded" seems to be the trump card of ad hominem attacks.

Being close minded is dismissing a proposition because it does not agree with your paradigm. Dismissing a proposition because it's ridiculous isn't being closed minded in the least, it's being rational. You guys can be as politically correct as you want, but political correctness will actually limit your ability to think freely.

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ignore the fools for your view may  be right or wrong and humanity lacks so much knowledge of what is beyond this world no one can tell you either way
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constructive opinions help and close minded views only show the flaws of others.
Non sequitor much? How can you be a relativist and then talk about "constructive opinions"? There's no constructivism in the nihilistic relativism you've described. There are things that are rational, and things subject to perspective. Then, there are things that are irrational, like thinking that you can turn into a werewolf.
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Pity the closeminded and try and help them evolve, appreciate the constructive and openminded as they will help you evolve.
That's right, you'll evolve by only choosing to listen to criticism that aligns to your argument.
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for as long as you find the right path for yourself you are doing alright
What if the "right path" for me is warning people that they can't transform into werewolves?

CanisLupusArctos, I believe that it is constructive criticism for me to say that you can't transform into a wereworlf and you got conned on the book you bought.
Sorry. There's no "whatever works for you" here; you can try and trick yourself into thinking it works all you want. For your own "evolution", don't waste your time trying to become a werewolf or using this book.
Title: Re: Morphosephram - The Handbook of Shadows
Post by: CanisLupusArctos on February 24, 2009, 08:59:26 AM
I never said with any word that i want to transform into a werewolf, i want to merge with my animal spirit and thats wolf, there maybe a path leading to a beeing thats similiar to that what society is calling a werewolf. A physical transformation to a wolf would be the last step on the ladder of merging. And dont try to apply your limited view to me, i know, and i mean i really know and feel that it is possible.

The border of what you can do or not do is only your mind. There is no limit.

I want to thank the few here that give me a positive feedback. 
Title: Re: Morphosephram - The Handbook of Shadows
Post by: amorfati on February 24, 2009, 10:06:22 AM
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A physical transformation to a wolf would be the last step on the ladder of merging.
AKA: You want to transform into a werewolf.
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And dont try to apply your limited view to me, i know, and i mean i really know and feel that it is possible.
Then you're on crack.
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The border of what you can do or not do is only your mind. There is no limit.
Yes, you can convince your mind that you're a werewolf, and yes, you'll actually think you're a werewolf.

They put people like that in mental asylums.
Title: Re: Morphosephram - The Handbook of Shadows
Post by: CanisLupusArctos on February 24, 2009, 10:41:25 AM
No not a werewolf, its the last step to physical transform in the animal spirit form, its like the native american shapeshifter thing.

But if your mind is so closed and you live in a cage, then live in your cage if you like to live in it.

But thats not my way and it has nothing, absolut nothing to do with crack or any other drug. Drugs cut your way off, you loose the path, your ability to meditate even alcohol is a bad thing.

They goal is not to trick yourself, as i said the mind is your limit, if you use it and trick yourself you will be put in a mental asylum. Not to think or to want is the right path.

I think its useless to argue any further, you have your opinion and i have my beliefs.
 
Title: Re: Morphosephram - The Handbook of Shadows
Post by: amorfati on February 24, 2009, 10:47:59 AM
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No not a werewolf, its the last step to physical transform in the animal spirit form, its like the native american shapeshifter thing.
Physically transforming into a wolf is essentially the samething as becoming a werewolf and absurd and naive either way.
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But if your mind is so closed and you live in a cage, then live in your cage if you like to live in it.
Haha, isn't that the same argument they use on truthism.com and Scientology cults?
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But thats not my way and it has nothing, absolut nothing to do with crack or any other drug. Drugs cut your way off, you loose the path, your ability to meditate even alcohol is a bad thing.
I'm glad that you're enlightened enough to think you can physically transform into a wolf. What I call insanity you can call "your way".
I also find it humourous that you think you have a reliable enough
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ethos
to lecture me on the uses of drugs in regards to meditation.
I use speed regularly and it definitely helps me in magick and psioncs, as well as my studies. There are two kinds of drugs, drugs that dull and drugs that speed up your mind. The latter is quite beneficial, as I'm sure you know.
Title: Re: Morphosephram - The Handbook of Shadows
Post by: CanisLupusArctos on February 24, 2009, 11:12:57 AM
As i said do what you want to do, if you like it.

Further argumentation with you is useless, you are looking for an opponent, and i am not here for that.
Title: Re: Morphosephram - The Handbook of Shadows
Post by: amorfati on February 24, 2009, 11:14:51 AM
As i said do what you want to do, if you like it.

Further argumentation with you is useless, you are searching an opponent, and i am not here for that.
You're the one who accused everyone of being close minded because we told you you couldn't transform into a wolf.
Title: Re: Morphosephram - The Handbook of Shadows
Post by: CanisLupusArctos on February 24, 2009, 11:17:02 AM
Look we just running around and i dont want to repeat my beliefs. Its ok.
Title: Re: Morphosephram - The Handbook of Shadows
Post by: Aurafire on February 24, 2009, 12:31:13 PM
Sorry dude, werewolf falls nicely under the category of a were- creature. I should have been more broad when discussing my technique. :wink:

What uses are you looking for? I think BB(?) pointed out uses for martial arts, what uses are you interested in?
Title: Re: Morphosephram - The Handbook of Shadows
Post by: Tankdown on February 24, 2009, 01:01:08 PM
People need to make there own mistakes, and sometimes they do turn out to be true so let him try. However I will note that I don't believe you can at this moment.
Title: Re: Morphosephram - The Handbook of Shadows
Post by: Tankdown on February 24, 2009, 01:45:23 PM
You don't promote my post and then go do the EXACT same thing. Yes I think his reasons for speed are bias but that is his business for now. If you think being on speed is a bad thing then leave a small comment about it don't write a whole paragraph on what he is doing is idiotic . Its a tactic that people use to try to make themselves look innocent and the other stupid or evil.

There is a old saying that goes "have my cake, and eat it to." which means your a hypocrite. If you mock him your no better.

By all means discuss the topic but don't be throwing dirt at each other, if he has something to contribute let him do it and discuss it intellectually. To knock him out for his counter-beliefs is not only closed minded by its prejudice.

If you two are going to fight lest put down your arguments for "taking speed" and "reading this book" instead of attacking each other ONLY on that ground.
Title: Re: Morphosephram - The Handbook of Shadows
Post by: amorfati on February 24, 2009, 01:57:27 PM
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If you two are going to fight lest put down your arguments for "taking speed" and "reading this book" instead of attacking each other ONLY on that ground.
I don't need to defend why I take speed; it's my business. It's also argumentum ad hominem to say:
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and amorfati... promoting speed here is a bad idea all you do is make yourself look like a joke... because promoting speed is stupid, "even" if damageing your mind in such a way helps you, others reading might try it and harm themselves
It's also begging the question by saying "promoting speed here is a bad idea because promoting speed is stupid."
The burden of proof is not on me to defend my actions.

As for the validity of the book and werewolf transformation, the burden of proof is not on me and I've dismissed your "arguments".
Title: Re: Morphosephram - The Handbook of Shadows
Post by: AB on February 24, 2009, 02:01:02 PM






......Aaalllrighty then, back on topic perhaps ^.^ I think, that it IS possible to physically transform into a werewolf, but bloody painful and difficult... From everything that I know right now it seems completely plausible to actually toss around your genes and body so that you're a were-whatchamacallit.

   I was actually curious about this, so I've looked up the author William Wraithe and what I read on Lulu.com says he was once in the Golden Dawn. So there has to be at least some truth in his book if most of it is false and he can't be completely metaphysically uneducated...  :confused:
Title: Re: Morphosephram - The Handbook of Shadows
Post by: amorfati on February 24, 2009, 02:02:17 PM






......Aaalllrighty then, back on topic perhaps ^.^ I think, that it IS possible to physically transform into a werewolf, but bloody painful and difficult... From everything that I know right now it seems completely plausible to actually toss around your genes and body so that you're a were-whatchamacallit.

   I was actually curious about this, so I've looked up the author William Wraithe and what I read on Lulu.com says he was once in the Golden Dawn. So there has to be at least some truth in his book if most of it is false and he can't be completely metaphysically uneducated...  :confused:

I'm thrilled that you think that but could you provide a logos?
Title: Re: Morphosephram - The Handbook of Shadows
Post by: Steve on February 24, 2009, 02:36:13 PM
Amorfati and others who are flaming the OP: If you know nothing about the subject, kindly butt out of the thread. There is no need to go around saying "you're stupid because you want to do this or because you believe in that" when such beliefs are traditional in various cultures. Some of the native tribes here in Canada have, in the past, believed such things and some today still believe them. They are not the only ones, and if you small-minded people cannot realize that the universe is larger than you are then, at the very least, stop attacking someone who wants to try something in order to find out whether it actually works or not.

~Steve
Title: Re: Morphosephram - The Handbook of Shadows
Post by: Sethair on February 24, 2009, 02:59:01 PM
Amorfati and others who are flaming the OP: If you know nothing about the subject, kindly butt out of the thread. There is no need to go around saying "you're stupid because you want to do this or because you believe in that" when such beliefs are traditional in various cultures. Some of the native tribes here in Canada have, in the past, believed such things and some today still believe them. They are not the only ones, and if you small-minded people cannot realize that the universe is larger than you are then, at the very least, stop attacking someone who wants to try something in order to find out whether it actually works or not.

~Steve

Thanks Steve, very well written.


@ CanisLupusArctos

As for the whole book, just get a hold of a copy. Read it and use your judgement. If something seems out of place, its a very good possibility it is. Probably the best thing you could do is actually get that book and you have a question about something, post the questionable item from the book in the forum. Most of us will be able to post our opinion and what we think without going to a flame war.

@ Everyone

I mean, come on, guys and girls. We are here to learn and debate. Not argue and flame each other.  This whole society was based on open-mindedness, not picking (just as an example) psionics and saying magic was bullshit. Yesh, I know its a wide generalization, but the point is still there. Oh, and one more tip, before you reply, think about what you really are going to say. With that, you may make an entirely different post then you would have if you didn't, and probably for the better.
Title: Re: Morphosephram - The Handbook of Shadows
Post by: CanisLupusArctos on February 24, 2009, 03:10:37 PM

@ CanisLupusArctos

As for the whole book, just get a hold of a copy. Read it and use your judgement. If something seems out of place, its a very good possibility it is. Probably the best thing you could do is actually get that book and you have a question about something, post the questionable item from the book in the forum. Most of us will be able to post our opinion and what we think without going to a flame war.


Thanks for the offer, i will think about it. Its good to have some support here for a very difficult task.
Title: Re: Morphosephram - The Handbook of Shadows
Post by: amorfati on February 24, 2009, 03:58:47 PM
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We are here to learn and debate.
I don't see how this hasn't been a debate.
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This whole society was based on open-mindedness, not picking (just as an example) psionics and saying magic was bullshit.
Does open-mindedness mindedness should never leave the bounds of reason. Ever.
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If he is taking it for a valid medical reason rather than to try and up his thinking for the occult his reasons for taking it are justified but not his promotion of it
It is a (somewhat) valid medical reason. Okay, I'm using it to up my thinking but under the guise of a medical reason.

For those who are proposing that this kind of tranformation is possible, what is the grounds for this reasoning?

If you don't have grounds for this and are just being "hopeful", then it is irrational (by definition) to say that you can transform into a wolf.

Cheers.
Title: Re: Morphosephram - The Handbook of Shadows
Post by: amorfati on February 24, 2009, 04:43:25 PM
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We are here to learn and debate.
I don't see how this hasn't been a debate.
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This whole society was based on open-mindedness, not picking (just as an example) psionics and saying magic was bullshit.
Does open-mindedness mindedness should never leave the bounds of reason. Ever.


Cheers.

being open minded often leaves the bounds of reason,
but being open minded should try to avoid leaving the bounds of good and being helpful
it leads to amazing places such as many fiction books that have strange and wild inventions
that fiction can lead to discovery

Science thought rockets capable of going to the moon were fiction at one point
That's called expanding reason; the people who designed rockets were open-minded, but not irrational. If being open minded leaves the bounds of reason, then being open-minded is irrational. Being "good and helpful" does nothing useful, it's just weak pity. Romantic notions lead to discovery through reason, irrational notions (until reason proves them rational) are worthless bollocks.
Title: Re: Morphosephram - The Handbook of Shadows
Post by: amorfati on February 24, 2009, 05:14:39 PM

quote from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irrationality


Intentional Irrationality
Irrational is not always viewed as a negative. The Dada and Surrealist art movements, for example, embraced irrationality as a means to "reject reason and logic". Andre Breton, for example, argued for a rejection of pure logic and reason which are seen as responsible for many contemporary social problems [1].

In science fiction literature, the progress of pure rationality is viewed as a quality which may lead civilization ultimately toward a scientific future dependent on technology. Irrationality in this case, is a positive factor which helps to balance excessive reason.

In psychology, excessive rationality without creativity may be viewed as a form of self-control and protection. Certain problems, such as death and loss, may have no rational solution when they are being experienced. We may seek logical explanations for such events, when in fact the proper emotional response is grief. Irrationality is thus a means of freeing the mind toward purely imaginative solutions, to break out of historic patterns of dependence into new pattyerns that allow one to move on.

said better than me
You can't appeal to art and science fiction as an authority for an argument on metaphysics.
Your argument in no way addresses the question at hand. What makes you think that you can transform into a wolf besides romantic notions?

Also, you confuse "pure reasoning" and empirical reasoning.
Title: Re: Morphosephram - The Handbook of Shadows
Post by: amorfati on February 24, 2009, 05:32:28 PM
refer to my edit amofati

I never said I could transform
I said shapechaging has been a belief for a long time spiritually... in many cultures.. Im not planing on finding you links
Its not nice to insult belief which have been around longer than America without doing some study into it yourself...
have you spent time with a native american shaman?
do you realize they know things we don't? weither this is one of them or not I dont know but beliefs deserve respect
humanity learned things from the cultures in north and south America - research the calenders of the Mayan culture - research their building techs
lmao to give a modern day example my mother is a Doctor and has been for 40 years, she still trys to get her native american patients to teach her things as some of their herb lore (which hasn't been shared fully with anyone) is extremely advanced
I came into this thread mostly because of the way a conversation was handled. I am leaving this thread now
because it serves no use to stay, I have no knowledge to offer Canis
Well, come back when you've turned into a wolf. I don't care what's been a belief for a longtime; if it's irrational, it's irrational.
Title: Re: Morphosephram - The Handbook of Shadows
Post by: Steve on February 24, 2009, 06:02:50 PM
Amorfati: Where is your rationale to believe anything in metaphysics is possible? There is no rationale beyond "someone said it was possible" and "I witnessed/experienced it myself".

~Steve
Title: Re: Morphosephram - The Handbook of Shadows
Post by: amorfati on February 24, 2009, 06:35:19 PM
Amorfati: Where is your rationale to believe anything in metaphysics is possible? There is no rationale beyond "someone said it was possible" and "I witnessed/experienced it myself".

~Steve
Who said those two aren't credible sources subjective to reason? Jeez.

Bloody read Heidegger or Husserl and come back to me.
Title: Re: Morphosephram - The Handbook of Shadows
Post by: Steve on February 24, 2009, 09:27:10 PM
I will not read those peoples' works, as I can probably guess at what they thought anyway. In the end, their words are irrelevant in the face of reality: if something works, it doesn't matter how credible, silly, rationale, or anything else it is, it works. And the only real way to determine if something works is to continue trying until you make it work; there is no way to prove something is impossible to accomplish.

Furthermore, as I already said there are traditional beliefs about people "merging" with totem spirits, and even becoming animals due to it. So the concept isn't exactly out of fantasy novels or hollywood or anything such.

But this just drags back to the question: why flame him for believing something you don't?

~Steve
Title: Re: Morphosephram - The Handbook of Shadows
Post by: amorfati on February 24, 2009, 09:29:48 PM
I will not read those peoples' works, as I can probably guess at what they thought anyway. In the end, their words are irrelevant in the face of reality: if something works, it doesn't matter how credible, silly, rationale, or anything else it is, it works. And the only real way to determine if something works is to continue trying until you make it work; there is no way to prove something is impossible to accomplish.

Furthermore, as I already said there are traditional beliefs about people "merging" with totem spirits, and even becoming animals due to it. So the concept isn't exactly out of fantasy novels or hollywood or anything such.

But this just drags back to the question: why flame him for believing something you don't?

~Steve
It's a discussion, not an ACLU meeting.
Title: Re: Morphosephram - The Handbook of Shadows
Post by: CanisLupusArctos on February 24, 2009, 11:39:57 PM
You dont get it, this is a thread opened by me for exact the questions i put in my first post here. If you go back you will see that i did not start a discussion about the process to become a werewolf. I answered your questions, because the search of knowledge is a goal i can support, but then you started to flame, because you dont want to accept my beliefs.

I friendly ask you to leave this thread for a discussion or the answers it was opened, you told everyone your opinion, we understand your beliefings, but I will not change my mind. Because i feel the chance to reach my goal, its more than knowledge, its a deep feeling a strong belief. You can not change it, accept it!
Title: Re: Morphosephram - The Handbook of Shadows
Post by: Big Boss on February 25, 2009, 04:46:06 AM
Amorfati, stop posting in this thread.

To the rest of you, thank you for becoming constructive. Carry on.
Title: Re: Morphosephram - The Handbook of Shadows
Post by: Cheezee on February 25, 2009, 05:30:46 AM
As for the spirit thing in itself, I would start with invocation, if you haven't done so yet :)
Title: Re: Morphosephram - The Handbook of Shadows
Post by: CanisLupusArctos on February 25, 2009, 07:32:49 AM
Yes i did that a couple of times, i had some good results. When i perform a mirror meditation to look at my aura with the third eye i can see a golden wolf in it. It seems that even the LBRP did not change that, maybe its because the wolf spirit is no thread for me.
Title: Re: Morphosephram - The Handbook of Shadows
Post by: Dea on February 26, 2009, 05:35:36 PM
Canis, i'm going to direct you to an article written by a member named Prophecy.

http://forums.vsociety.net/topic/9147.0

It may have some information on what you're looking for. It has a section that deals in theory with taking the qualities of something into yourself.
Title: Re: Morphosephram - The Handbook of Shadows
Post by: CanisLupusArctos on February 27, 2009, 12:29:06 AM
Thanks a lot for this link, its very close to the information in the book and helped me a lot.
Title: Re: Morphosephram - The Handbook of Shadows
Post by: Puppy Love Barker on October 10, 2009, 12:06:56 AM
Just found out about this book myself today and well im very likely going to buy it soon myself, and form what ive read so far and looking in here im very sure at least some of it is real most likely so heres hopeinig I can find my spirit animal, open my 3rd eye, and become an wolf/werewolf! ^^
Title: Re: Morphosephram - The Handbook of Shadows
Post by: CanisLupusArctos on October 10, 2009, 12:35:00 PM
I wish you all the best on your path, if you need help, advice, or just someone to talk to feel free to message me, as well as any other one.

Sending you love and light.
Title: Re: Morphosephram - The Handbook of Shadows
Post by: vontrup on December 08, 2009, 07:41:30 AM
to @CanisLupusArctos

I have bought this book too.
e-mail me: vontrup86@gmail.com
Title: Re: Morphosephram - The Handbook of Shadows
Post by: Saile on December 19, 2009, 11:10:43 AM
Fluff storm! Take cover!
Title: Re: Morphosephram - The Handbook of Shadows
Post by: kevin on March 01, 2010, 12:51:45 PM
Hey I read this entire thread and was wondering did you have any luck on merging your spirit with wolf spirit. If you did I would love to learn how you succeeded in doing it. I was always interested in knowing if you could do things like that.
Title: Re: Morphosephram - The Handbook of Shadows
Post by: Alphawolf on May 07, 2018, 09:27:28 PM
Hey can I get a bit information about chapter 6 I know the risk but I wanna know whats the ritual about were creature