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Title: Initiation Into Hermetics Commentary
Post by: Veos on October 26, 2008, 01:44:48 AM
    I decided to keep the Commentary in pdf form as it looks better that way and is easier to work with.  I hope you enjoy it.  You will notice that it is a little more formal in the introduction than most articles, and that is because the pdf is intended for a larger audience than just Veritas, as I am releasing it to some other circles of people and other online communities as well so that everyone can benefit from it.  I have attached the commentary.

~Fra.Veos   
Title: Re: Initiation Into Hermetics Commentary
Post by: taaraka on October 26, 2008, 02:45:35 AM
Thank you for this comemetery Veos.

Namaste
Title: Re: Initiation Into Hermetics Commentary
Post by: Saer on October 26, 2008, 05:47:49 AM
Yes, indeed, thank you.
Title: Re: Initiation Into Hermetics Commentary
Post by: Kichara on October 26, 2008, 08:32:13 AM
I have only had time to read the introduction and Step I, but already it has answered many questions that have been floating around in my head.

Thank you very much Veos.

Namaste
Title: Re: Initiation Into Hermetics Commentary
Post by: Fireblade on October 26, 2008, 08:57:56 AM
This is great. I just finished it and it has made several things more clear.
Thank you Veos
Title: Re: Initiation Into Hermetics Commentary
Post by: Jesse9209 on October 26, 2008, 12:30:56 PM
The first thing I have to say is this is a really great little book , i'm sure it will help me immensly when I run into problems. I've had trouble with the step one mental exercises though i've gotten better at it recently and I've talked to various people about it, I've also read in a book I'm not sure which one but It was either Kundlina Yoga or another book by the same author, that its better to train concentration fairly extensivly before trying to empty the mind which is a differnt order than bardon teaches.

 Whats worked best for me is learning to concentrate with the step two exercises a little bit then started practicing step oen and it was much more natural and my mind naturally was much more silent. I ussually do a little of both each day not always the same amount. Obviously your of the opinion that its better to train in the order Bardon teaches which is probably best if you can do it. I've talked to another magician who says that for him he had to work on the step two mental concentrations up higher before emptying his mind for 10 minutes, I have much less experience and knowledge than you or Bardon, I just wanted to know your opinon on practicing like that.

Also I've been practicing pranayama like you told me to a few weeks ago and I think that has been a part of whats helped me recently since i've had more success in my practice since then.  
Title: Re: Initiation Into Hermetics Commentary
Post by: Schlagzeug on October 26, 2008, 06:04:47 PM
Quote from: Veos
The average student in our Ashram spends [...] 8-10 hours a day once they learn to replace most of their
sleep with deep meditation.
At what point in IIH could this be achieved? How?
Title: Re: Initiation Into Hermetics Commentary
Post by: Veos on October 26, 2008, 07:31:03 PM
Quote from: Veos
The average student in our Ashram spends [...] 8-10 hours a day once they learn to replace most of their
sleep with deep meditation.
At what point in IIH could this be achieved? How?


Yoga
Title: Re: Initiation Into Hermetics Commentary
Post by: Lexie on October 27, 2008, 11:30:19 AM
Thank you Veos!
Title: Re: Initiation Into Hermetics Commentary
Post by: Entity on October 28, 2008, 03:48:39 PM
Exceptional. Actually cleared up a lot of questions for even me... EVEN ME. I mean... seriously? ME? Great job, thanks.
Title: Re: Initiation Into Hermetics Commentary
Post by: lexusfox on October 29, 2008, 04:27:53 PM
Clarifying, concise and down-to-earth material. I'm translating it right now to Portuguese - of course, with the author's permission. It will help many Portuguese speakers around the world in their way in IIH.
Title: Re: Initiation Into Hermetics Commentary
Post by: Micky-P on October 30, 2008, 06:26:13 AM
Brilliant work Veos, this has helped immensely and cleared up a lot of uncertainties. 
Title: Re: Initiation Into Hermetics Commentary
Post by: Rina.Yaxow on November 06, 2008, 08:12:52 AM
Thanks Veos. :)

I have one question, if anyone knows... Franz Bardon is still alive? I have no idea about the autor, so please, enlighten me. x) :) I'd be very grateful.
Title: Re: Initiation Into Hermetics Commentary
Post by: Rawiri on November 06, 2008, 08:17:04 AM
Afraid not. Franz Bardon died in 1956 (or something like that).
Title: Re: Initiation Into Hermetics Commentary
Post by: Veos on November 06, 2008, 12:13:22 PM
  Franz Bardon is presumed dead.  I say presumed because no one ever actually saw his dead body other than the alleged government.  When the Government released his body it was encased in a galvanized steel coffin that was sealed shut.  Neither his friends or his family or anyone who knew him were allowed by the government to see his dead body.  They just had to assume it was his.  Lumir Bardon, his son, and his student Dr. M.K mention that there was rumor that he had been taken away to Russia to work with the Government on spagyric medicines and psychic abilities.  Chances are that he died when they said he did, but he wouldn't be the first famous magician to have faked his death.  Just some food for thought.     
Title: Re: Initiation Into Hermetics Commentary
Post by: taaraka on November 07, 2008, 11:21:25 AM
Geez...Thanks Veos, for that info....it would make sense that the Russians (KGB) would want someone of his skill level. If memory serves in the late 50's the Russian Government was very active in pursuing psychic/magical abilities for application in warfare, gathering intelligence, etc... This is how remote viewing originally was developed...When our Government discovered this was going on years later (and must of had some effect) is when remote viewing was developed here...among other things.

Did you find this info an Bardon on the internet or, is there a book on his life floating around out there?
Title: Re: Initiation Into Hermetics Commentary
Post by: Hech on November 07, 2008, 01:48:57 PM
It's not likely that he survived due to the karma of the body. You have to remember what he went through to incarnate and teach Viktor Bardon. Because of this, though a great Adept, he was forced to limit himself in many ways (which just makes him that much more amazing).
Title: Re: Initiation Into Hermetics Commentary
Post by: taaraka on November 07, 2008, 07:04:51 PM
So Hech, your saying he was a walk-in ?   I better google his history...was not aware of this.
Title: Re: Initiation Into Hermetics Commentary
Post by: Kichara on November 07, 2008, 07:29:02 PM
his father was a christian mystic who fervently wanted a teacher. Divine providence granted this wish by sending the soul or spirit(I can't keep it straight which one survives right now) into his son's body and franz started teaching his father.

TADA!
Title: Re: Initiation Into Hermetics Commentary
Post by: Hech on November 07, 2008, 09:41:33 PM
It doesn't matter which one survives in your average person. Bardon had made immortal his mental and astral bodies. He took the body of the former inhabitant and consequently took the karma of the body also.
Title: Re: Initiation Into Hermetics Commentary
Post by: Asguard on November 16, 2008, 07:11:27 PM
Bardon says that you can change your destiny or your past through akashic records ¿that's true?
Title: Re: Initiation Into Hermetics Commentary
Post by: Kichara on November 16, 2008, 07:19:01 PM
if you go into the akasha and have skill in...I guess "doing stuff" there then you can do just about anything you want.
Title: Re: Initiation Into Hermetics Commentary
Post by: Asguard on November 17, 2008, 07:12:00 PM
So.. is really possible change akashic records? I heard that is impossible.

That it would mean that you can even change the past. Right?
Title: Re: Initiation Into Hermetics Commentary
Post by: Hech on November 17, 2008, 10:24:32 PM
You can't change the akashic records, nor can you change the past. (And that's if you even manage to get to the akashic records.)
Title: Re: Initiation Into Hermetics Commentary
Post by: Jesse9209 on November 18, 2008, 04:13:21 AM
You can place "causes" in akasha through focus, will, faith, and conviction while in akashic trance as in step 6 or can place energies into akasha like an electromagnetic volt as described in step 9. A very amazing method that can create powerful results.
Title: Re: Initiation Into Hermetics Commentary
Post by: RubyRose on November 18, 2008, 02:17:06 PM
While it is assumed possible to volt akashic causes, the fact remains that:
A: It takes a great deal of skill to even simply VIEW these records, and even then, akashic causalities are still restrained by the universal laws.
B: One with the power to do so would never do it against the will of Providence (karma will never be changed by a true adept)
C: The Akashic Records are just that, records. The records are comprised of the reflective memory of nature, and they are simply a memory. You cannot change the course of your destiny by an alteration to the records, no more than you could alter the course of history by changing something in a history book.

Veos, the article is fantastic and I thank you.

RR

Title: Re: Initiation Into Hermetics Commentary
Post by: Hech on November 18, 2008, 04:11:32 PM
The Memory of Nature and the Memory of God (Akashic Records) are two different things, if my terminology is correct.
Title: Re: Initiation Into Hermetics Commentary
Post by: RubyRose on November 21, 2008, 07:20:52 PM
I think are right, though I did say the Akashic records are COMPRISED of the memory of nature. If my understanding is correct, the Akasha holds the memory of nature as well as many other spheres.

RR
Title: Re: Initiation Into Hermetics Commentary
Post by: Rodz on November 05, 2015, 12:44:14 AM
https://tdssanctuary.wordpress.com/2015/11/04/a-criticism-of-frater-veoss-commentary/
Title: Re: Initiation Into Hermetics Commentary
Post by: Messiaen on November 08, 2015, 05:21:19 AM
https://tdssanctuary.wordpress.com/2015/11/04/a-criticism-of-frater-veoss-commentary/

Thank you very much for this criticism, it was enlightening. It's saddening me that Veos and Prophecy abused the IIH and try to comment it while they most likely never practiced it on their own. I nearly went into their trap at the beginning, as I was starting with IIH, and fall for their words. Another reason why you should practice the IIH completely alone and follow bardon's words instead of searching for help on a forum or persons. You may never know who they are and if they really possess practical knowledge.
Title: Re: Initiation Into Hermetics Commentary
Post by: Steve on November 09, 2015, 12:39:52 PM
https://tdssanctuary.wordpress.com/2015/11/04/a-criticism-of-frater-veoss-commentary/
Hey Rodz, out of curiosity, who are the three people attributed to writing that criticism? The article lists them as "By Raphael, Jade, and Orion", but the site itself only mentions one person, Daniel Murawsky, on the "Who are we?" page. I was guessing then that Daniel borrowed the article from another place, but I cannot find it using a google search, so perhaps they specifically wrote it for Daniel?

The reason I'm asking is that the person doing the criticism mention multiple times that they don't "believe" that Veos had completed IIH, so I'm curios as to what their credentials are to criticize (notwithstanding, of course, that everyone is free to criticize, but the weight of an expert's criticism is worth more than a lay person's criticism). Daniel Murawsky mentions that his site is for people who are former students of Prophecy and Veos, so that speaks for itself as to his credential to criticize.


I mean, I very much agree with their overall, and constant, reminders to do the exercises and system as Bardon wrote them rather than modifying them, but I do not agree with all of their criticisms. I will flat out state that I have not completed IIH, and am not even practicing the system, but some of the criticisms are not about the system; for instance, they claim:

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Many of these essays and courses include exercises from IIH that have been cherry picked from the system. For example, in Prophecy’s “Elemental Magic Class” that is available for viewing on Veritas Society, he takes both Bardon’s depth point meditation and clairvoyance exercise out of the context of IIH and throws them into his curriculum. Neither of these exercises can be practiced without the rest of IIH to go along with it. You cannot pick and choose whatever exercises you like from IIH and throw them into a system of magical training you design.
Well, that's not true at all. Each of the exercises in IIH are not new or unique to Bardon, and many of them (if not all of them) can be found in many other systems that long predate Bardon (I mean, really, does anyone honestly believe Bardon was the first to create an exercise for void meditation, or focal meditation, or for examining one's self and writing down all of the various qualities one has and then categorizing them?). So clearly, these exercises do not require one another in the order that Bardon set out. But I would say that Bardon set them out in a good order for a good reason, and that's not because the order is immutable but because it works well that way.

They also state:

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It may seem like you just follow the instructions and you are a magician, and the more time you put into the exercises each day, the faster you will become an adept. Someone who practices an hour a day will progress twice as fast as someone who practices half an hour a day, so the longer you practice each day, the faster you will advance, right?

Actually, this is not the case at all, and anyone who is taught to believe this has been deceived.

Regarding the idea of spiritual evolution, this is something that consists of more than just sitting in a closet all day practicing mystical exercises.
etc etc
While the end part about spiritual evolution being more than just the exercises is indeed true, the exercises are what's required to become a Magician, as distinct from just some spiritually evolved person. And in that regard, it's like any other system of training: the more effort and time you put into it, the more you'll get out of it, faster than you would if you did not put so much time into it. Does that mean that if you put in twice the effort per day then you will automatically achieve milestones in half the time? No. But you will advance faster, over the long run. If you think you haven't seen any advancement in the x number of years you've been practicing, imagine how many more x years of practicing you'd see no advancement if you were putting in half the effort each day that you currently are.

~Steve