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Title: Swordplay & Energy - Class (LOG)
Post by: Silverdawn on March 15, 2004, 01:09:27 PM
Title: Swordplay & Energy
Date / Time : Monday, 15 March - 21:00 GMT (started seven minutes ago)
Instructors: Defender, Darkduck
 
This class has been organized sponteneously because of a full chatroom and willing participants. A log is attached to this post.
 
~Silverdawn
Title: Swordplay & Energy - Class
Post by: Silverdawn on March 16, 2004, 10:11:51 AM
Updated. Log attached. Feel free to give feedback!
Title: Swordplay & Energy - Class
Post by: Trillis on March 16, 2004, 10:34:08 AM
Whoah. Nice *appluase* That opened new doors for me. Thanks alot Def, Silver, DD and all who helped.

*Waits for Prophecy's Occult Swordsplay Article*
Title: Swordplay & Energy - Class
Post by: theinvokerking on March 16, 2004, 04:03:30 PM
Wow vary nice! good job. :p

*Waits for Prophecy's Occult Swordplay article* :cow:
Title: Swordplay & Energy - Class
Post by: Draconic Feathers on March 16, 2004, 07:50:49 PM
Ok, one big question: What is the purpose behind all of this? What are the benefits of becoming one with the blade, manipulating energy through it etc., in a fight? I'm not doubting anything here, I just want to make some things clear.
Title: Swordplay & Energy - Class
Post by: Darkduck on March 16, 2004, 11:06:30 PM
For example, without looking at your hand, you know the exact position your hand is in. And usually your hand-eye coŲrdination is (for most people) good enough to catch a fly mid-air. Imagine those qualities alone (there are more) being 'transported' into your weapon of choice.
Title: Swordplay & Energy - Class
Post by: Faijer on March 17, 2004, 01:10:56 AM
I'd like to apologise for disappearing from that class so suddenly, my dad needed the computer, and it's the only one that's hooked up to the Broadband currently. Hopefully I'll have the connection back upstairs soon.
Title: Swordplay & Energy - Class
Post by: SnowWolf on March 17, 2004, 04:36:15 PM
Draconic Feathers: In any kind of combat, especially swordsmanship, things move very quickly - so quickly in fact that even if your eyes are good enough to see what's going on, the time it takes to for your brain to contact the rest of your body inhibits the effectiveness of any counter strikes. The only way to overcome this is to practice the techniques you mentioned.

SnowWolf
Title: Swordplay & Energy - Class
Post by: Athiril on March 18, 2004, 06:56:57 AM
excellent, thank you very much, i have been wanting something like this for quite some time, thanks again, i'll get it and read it tommorow (it's late)

 :D  :D
Title: Swordplay & Energy - Class
Post by: dude2dudey on March 18, 2004, 12:34:10 PM
i missed the class because i knew jack about it but if your talking bout kung fu and using a blade then i wouldnt mind having a look into it i cant be assed right now because i just cant i usefd to do kung fu and stuff like that....until i quit....
Title: Swordplay & Energy - Class
Post by: Wei_Tu_hui on March 19, 2004, 02:20:46 PM
Um....could someone e-mail it to me. I can download it but it doesn't let me view it.
Title: Swordplay & Energy - Class
Post by: Draconic Feathers on March 19, 2004, 02:28:26 PM
Dude2dudey - what does kung fu have to do with blades? More importantley, what does kung fu have to do with this? Please don't post completley unrelated things like that again.

P.S. - please don't stop using periods -_-

Silver - When do you think the official article will be available? I've been awaiting this thing for months lol
Title: Swordplay & Energy - Class
Post by: Tsumaru on March 24, 2004, 12:41:18 AM
Very nice indeed. Thanks a lot Defender and Darkduck! Beautiful!

Oh, and if the admins don't mind, for those who want to read it in a slightly more comforting format, I'm currently putting it into a word document written like any normal article with paragraphs and all. I, personally, have a lot of trouble reading chatroom logs, and because I keep an archive of all these articles, so I can read it easier next time I put it like this. So if the admins don't object, anybody who wants that format, just tell me and I'll email it or something. =)

Once again, great class there, guys! Thanks! =D
Title: Swordplay & Energy - Class
Post by: Darkduck on March 24, 2004, 12:55:20 AM
Quote from: Tsumaru
Very nice indeed. Thanks a lot Defender and Darkduck! Beautiful!

Oh, and if the admins don't mind, for those who want to read it in a slightly more comforting format, I'm currently putting it into a word document written like any normal article with paragraphs and all. I, personally, have a lot of trouble reading chatroom logs, and because I keep an archive of all these articles, so I can read it easier next time I put it like this. So if the admins don't object, anybody who wants that format, just tell me and I'll email it or something. =)

Once again, great class there, guys! Thanks! =D


Thanks a bunch for that Tsu. PM me or defender when you are done, we can post the entire article then, of course giving you plenty credit for the re-formatting.
Title: Swordplay & Energy - Class
Post by: Swipster on March 24, 2004, 01:17:56 AM
-Edited by darkduck-
Title: Swordplay & Energy - Class
Post by: Darkduck on March 24, 2004, 01:23:36 AM
Your last warning just expired, goodbye.
Title: Swordplay & Energy - Class
Post by: Tsumaru on March 24, 2004, 02:22:43 AM
I was just reading that guy's post history and when I returned to the topic, you'd edited it. The fact is, I got to read what he said. Yay! I'm special!

Anyway, back on topic. I've pretty much got everything perfect in it, except for this one part.

Quote
[14:10] Masamune, the peaceful blade, forged by a peaceful
  smithy, was said to be so strong, when placed in a river, leaves would
  float AROUND it. Murasame, on the other hand, forged by a student of
  the Masamune smith, was created with destruction in mind. It would cut
  leaves when standing in a river, the opposite of the friendly Masamune.
[14:10] * Trillis has joined #VAcademy
[14:10] Anything else? I believe class is about done ^_^
[14:11] so when you mentioned weapons bonding with the
  wielder...in this case, it would mean the the wielder would have, lets
  say, a peacefull state of mind if they were to wield the masamune?
[14:11] Indeed. Masamune wouldn't drive them into a killing
  spree, to put it bluntly, but the blade itself would have effect on the
  wielder.

That very last message. Did you mean to say Masamune, because it seems more fitting of Marasume. I picked that up when reading over it and even thought it's just a little trival thing, I just wanted to change it if you had made a mistake. If that's what you meant, maybe I'm just braindead and misunderstand. Maybe in a month or so when I'm awake again I might understand =P

Anyway, once I get that cleared up it'll be done.

Oh, and btw, it ended up similar to the old old Chi articles. As in...

DD: Hi people
Defender: Yeah, whatever, teaching
Other guy: Question thingy!

However, I only put a name when a new person started talking. I also gave names to students, but put "(Student)". Next to it. You know what, I'll just quote part.

Quote
DraconicFeathers (Student): How would one apply that with a steel sword? Would it be similar, but with adjustments to match the wavelength of steel, or completely different?

Darkduck: With a 'live' blade it is a lot different. Perhaps Iíll answer that in a later session if you donít mind.

Time to continue then. There is a moment that the two energies come together. This moment is quite hard to describe, you will have to settle for "believe me, you'll notice alright". At that point, that bokken adjusts to your needs, and becomes one with your energy in an instant. On an energetic ground, you and the bokken have become one, your energy completely in the bokken, but the bokken also in you, allowing you to "understand the blade".

With practice, it will become easier and easier to quickly bond with the sword. If you break your training, there will be a lot of your energy still residing in the bokken, as it has become YOUR weapon. Literally. Close off in whatever way you see fitting. Be sure to bow in respect. I hope this short guide on Aiki with weaponry was informative. ^_^

Defender: Sidenote: And this applies to my section as well. When doing something like this, it is VITALLY important that you are able to bond with your weapon very quickly. If you are actually in a fight you will need to act instantly, without even thought.

Darkduck: Indeed. With practice, it doesn't even take an action anymore, the moment you touch that particular weapon, you are one with it.


There's just a whole clunk I found somewhere, to demonstrate what I mean. If you want, I can change the formatting before I send it away to you if you don't particularly like the way I did it. Up to you.

So anyway, clear up the above thing about Masamune and Murasame, tell me if the formatting style is alright and then I'll finish it all up and send it off. Coolies. ^_^
Title: Swordplay & Energy - Class
Post by: Darkduck on March 24, 2004, 02:30:59 AM
What it says there, is that masamune would not drive someone into a random killing spree, because of the peaceful nature of the blade...it looks fine by me, or my lysdexia is acting up again O_o.

Edit: oh, and about the format: most excellent :D
Title: Swordplay & Energy - Class
Post by: Tsumaru on March 24, 2004, 02:35:41 AM
Quote from: Darkduck
What it says there, is that masamune would not drive someone into a random killing spree, because of the peaceful nature of the blade...it looks fine by me, or my lysdexia is acting up again O_o.

Edit: oh, and about the format: most excellent :D

Lysdexia eh? =P

Aah, I gotcha for the thing. I was under impression you were saying, though Masamune was forged with the idea of destruction, it wouldnt necessarily drive you senselessly into a killing spree, but would still effect you. My bad. I told you it was probably me misunderstanding. =P

Anyway, it's all been perfectededed now, so I'm about to pm it to ya.


EDIT: Uhh....cant you put attachments on PMs, or am I even more braindead then I first though? o.O
Title: Swordplay & Energy - Class
Post by: Darkduck on March 24, 2004, 03:07:32 AM
Check your PM-thingy Tsu. Instructions found there. Please deliver the money too...oh, wrong movie. Anyway, pm-thingy.
Title: Swordplay & Energy - Class
Post by: GunBlade on March 24, 2004, 03:08:21 AM
anyone know anywhere in south aus (pref adelaide) where i can get a cheep (sotta good quality) sword from, because ive looked everywhere on site and i can only seem to find shipped from USA. and that costs a bomb. ^_^ any help would be apreaciated. thanks :)
Title: Swordplay & Energy - Class
Post by: Tsumaru on March 24, 2004, 03:23:39 AM
http://www.google.com.au and choose the "Find pages only from Australia" option. If you also use specifics with "Adelaide" in the search, you're probably more likely to get a result.

Or simply http://www.yellowpages.com.au and check under Martial Arts & Supplies in SA - Adelaide. That should work.
Title: Swordplay & Energy - Class
Post by: GunBlade on March 24, 2004, 03:30:42 AM
your a smart one Tsumaru, *sticks shifty eyes on you*
Title: Classes
Post by: shenshadow on April 13, 2004, 10:52:00 AM
Is there any way i need to sign up for classes or what happens?? Do i just join the forum? Sorry for being such a noobie.. :elephant:
Title: Swordplay & Energy - Class
Post by: Draconic Feathers on April 13, 2004, 11:03:01 AM
Well, if you're planning on sticking around it's probably best to join the forum :P

As for the classes, just pay attention to any announcement threads in the class forum, and you should be able to attend them in the IRC channel (which can also be accessed via the java client on this site).

As far as I know, there hasn't been another class held or scheduled as of yet. Try checking out the log of the last class in the articles section to see what the classes are like.
Title: i love that
Post by: shenshadow on April 13, 2004, 04:30:15 PM
ok thanks for the info, and how do i get on the veritas channel of MiRC?
but especially, the song, your signature!
  With my feet upon the ground I lose myself
between the sounds and open wide to suck it in,
I feel it move across my skin.
I'm reaching up and reaching out,
I'm reaching for the random or what ever will bewilder me.
And following our will and wind we may just go where no one's been.
We'll ride the spiral to the end and may just go where no one's been.

Spiral out. Keep going, going...   -James Keenan Maynard

true art there.....
Title: Swordplay & Energy - Class
Post by: Draconic Feathers on April 13, 2004, 06:06:49 PM
1. To get to the Veritas channel in mIRC, log on to the server Sorcery.net, and join channel #VAcademy. Or, highlight the monitor icon at the very top of the page, and click "chat", which will send you the site's java network (which allows you to access the channel straight from the site)

2. Wow, some one else who appreciates Tool...I thought I was alone there for a bit. Yes, it's wonderfull isn't it? And it's from the best song in the world...Lateralus (also from the best album/CD ever created, Lateralus). I also hope that you noticed some of the things hidden in the wonderfull peice of art included with the CD...for instance, the flaming eyes are on chakra points (palms, third eye, throat, solar plexus).

P.S. - It's Maynard James Keenan*, and you have to remember, Maynard's only 1/4th of the band....
Title: yes
Post by: shenshadow on April 14, 2004, 10:14:03 AM
ya i found out, the IRC chat its just a bunch of BS tho..... the SPAM
ohh ya the name is wrong, but that 1/4th of the band wrote the lyrics...
trust me i LOVE their guitar and drummer is CRAZY
i am into a perfect circle also.... almost more than tool now.
If a "class" is in mIRC, then is it in a private room, so its just the serious members or no? :eek:
Title: sign
Post by: shenshadow on April 14, 2004, 10:21:53 AM
hee hee hee..... signature. :fightmonk :fightmonk
Title: Swordplay & Energy - Class
Post by: Draconic Feathers on April 14, 2004, 11:58:19 AM
Quote from: shenshadow
ya i found out, the IRC chat its just a bunch of BS tho..... the SPAM
ohh ya the name is wrong, but that 1/4th of the band wrote the lyrics...
trust me i LOVE their guitar and drummer is CRAZY
i am into a perfect circle also.... almost more than tool now.
If a "class" is in mIRC, then is it in a private room, so its just the serious members or no? :eek:

 Agh, I know what you mean about the chat -_- Most of it is random idle chat with tons of spam. But when the channel is being used for a class, the OP's moderate the channel, so only OP's can talk. The "students" then PM questions to OP's, which are the answered in the main chat during occasional pauses in the class.

Hehe, I love Adam Jones and Danny Carey too ^_^ We can't forget Justin Chancellor and Paul da'Mour...they're really great Bass players...but lets try to keep this thread on topic.

P.S. - I love APC too lol
Title: Swordplay & Energy - Class
Post by: shenshadow on April 14, 2004, 05:31:13 PM
Ya, good idea ill stay on topic, but i just no i got a fellow APC fan, so when i quote him, dont say anything Oo ok so energy and swordplay....
these are two good combinations :elephant:
Title: Swordplay & Energy - Class
Post by: Draconic Warrior on May 14, 2004, 04:58:10 PM
:elephant:  Bravo that is great this is a class I realy like it. My favorite weapon is the sword and this is what I needed for my combat.
Title: swordplay and energy
Post by: GhostWolf on May 14, 2004, 11:51:00 PM
now dd and def. did a good job as a basics...

but there is a lot more...especially if your going in for more occult exercises

now those exercises require a bit of time and usually that you have a specific weapon (tho also a lot of occult sword play requires using a specific weapon as well)

how ever there are ways of using energy in swordplay...obviously applicable to other martial arts as well...

any half decent warrior should be able to attune to any weapon that he has trained with in a quick space of time...the idea being that the weapon become as part of your body...not just an energetic concept

whilst fighting you can use your own energy to do things...you can add energy to strikes and to defences...you can even take energy from repeated attacks from opponent and then counter attack with that build up of energy rather than use your own

you can reap energy from an opponent and his attacks

you can cause slow leaks in energy from your opponent

as to the more occult practices...you can imbue the weapon with its own spirit/soul/personality...or bless it through a deity/demonic entity

you can raise energy through the earth or from deities for yourself

so these are some more ideas
however im not going into the details of how to do these things...

since i would only teach these things personally...duty of care etc

this also implies that you would have some reasonable level of skill in weilding such weapon

play with weapons at your own risk...i take no responsibility for playing with above ideas

oh and i gorgot something...ive just added this bit....as to the use of the scabbard....well go and look at the myths of arthur and excalibur...it was excaliburs scabbard that held the magic which prevented the wearer from bleeding to death from any wound...note that the scabbard was enchanted by morgaine and was actually stolen from arthur before his final battle...

and if you look into arts such as ninjutsu the scabbard was a very useful tool...u didnt always remove the blade from the scabbard to fight

also the difference between metal and wood weapons...arguments for both
i have kids so sharp steel swords tend to be a bad idea...just a family safety issue
however steel is a metal and metal conducts electricity and energy where wood stores it...
metal is more open to being controlled (ie you forge it with fire physical and mental) where wood is worked "with"

wood and steel weapons are no better or worse than the other...it is the way that a weapon is weilded
Title: Swordplay & Energy - Class
Post by: wavemaster of psi on May 17, 2004, 06:07:39 PM
Quote from: GhostWolf
now dd and def. did a good job as a basics...
... etc etc


my moto is train or get your ass kicked
Title: Swordplay & Energy - Class
Post by: Spartan62 on June 11, 2004, 06:38:00 PM
Just a question but, do you people get in sword fights often? :confused:
Title: Re: Swordplay & Energy - Class (LOG)
Post by: Maleus on October 15, 2006, 11:24:46 AM
how can i join this class? im new at this forums :P
Title: Re: Swordplay & Energy - Class (LOG)
Post by: Darkflame on October 15, 2006, 10:08:31 PM
Did you see the date? This lecture was over two years ago.
Title: Re: Swordplay & Energy - Class (LOG)
Post by: Maleus on October 24, 2006, 04:36:51 PM
actually i only saw it now =P oops  :confused: