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Title: Marijuana = psy-o-rama?
Post by: Telemetry on December 17, 2003, 07:05:52 PM
I, for one, enjoy a smoke every now and then, especailly on sundays. So as would be expected, I had run into some pretty nice crystal bud from some big grower my bro knows *it being sunday*. When I say crystal bud I mean it had crystaline THC thinly encrusted all over it. Crystal bud is known to produce deep, thaughtful, relaxed, cerebral highs. So, I was pretty damn spaced out and feeling philosophical. All of a sudden something went 'twang' and I thaugh:

"I'v never really tryed to properly make a psyball..... lets give it a go!" - or something like that to the stoned equivilant

And off I went. I'v never been able to readily feel psy, or my so called 'third eye', but, in this state of drug induced ability, it was like a tingleing ball of power, just sitting there, in the middle of my forhead, makeing my intire head warm. Another thing was how damn easy it was to channel it, down my arms, into my hands, into a construct. I was even expanding and condenceing it. It was all like I had been doing it for years. I ended up with a sizeable psyball which had a teriffic gravity to it, it was like pushing in on a baloon with both hands, except there was no baloon and around the size of a kiwi fruit.

My point: I'm pretty damn sure that Marijuana has some rather astounding effects on psy-ability. I plan to get radical a few more times and nut out weither it really is a large amount of psy that I previously could not controll, OR if what is happening is the Marijuana is increaseing my perceptive abilities so that what little psy I had was easily felt, futher evidence of this possibility is when I was expanding and condenceing the psyball, it didn't seem to be working at the kind of speed I was thinking it would. My thaughts would be that this was because there wasent as much psy as I thaught there was, hence pointing to an overexadgeration of my perceptive abilities as opposed to the actual psysical outcome.

The third, and most usually assumed possiblity, was that because that weed was so damn strong, and the fact I had smoked a decent amount of it, I was hallucinating. But I personally think that this is not true due to a large amount of pryor experience with pot.

1) What do you think was happening?
2) Have you ever had any "drugs + psy" related experiences?


Telemetry.
Title: Marijuana = psy-o-rama?
Post by: Kaster on December 17, 2003, 07:36:17 PM
I've seen this argued to death before and what it breaks down to is this:

Pot slows the mind and its nerons, making psionics HARDER

Drugs like THC cause, oh I don't know, hallicinations!

So bleh!
Title: Marijuana = psy-o-rama?
Post by: SereneChaos on December 17, 2003, 07:37:51 PM
i personally don't listen to closely to people who can't spell psi...
and stoners as well...
i have problems with people that think it's okay to do that stuff...personal things i'd rather not talk about, but i stray.

secondly, most psions, or people who have practiced using psi energy for a long period of time, and are experienced, don't draw energy from their third eye. It gives you headaches, and is not supposed to be used to draw energy from. most psions draw from their solar plexus, which is located 1 inche below the bottom of your sternum and about 2 inches inward. here is located a large cluster of nerves. Psi is believed to be a by-product of the firing of nerves, so therefore, there would theoretically be more psi around an area of high nerve activity. That is why most psions think of this as their "pool" of energy.
Title: Marijuana = psy-o-rama?
Post by: the pita on December 17, 2003, 07:45:00 PM
If you think drugs are going to help or ehance your abilities then you dont have any abilites to speak of. other than ignorance. as always read my sig below.
Title: Marijuana = psy-o-rama?
Post by: F8te on December 17, 2003, 07:46:52 PM
I'm not going to touch this one, because I wouldn't be certain.  I do have theories, however, if you for some reason you'd like to hear.

There's a website you may want to check out that has a lot of information you may find of interest (http://www.erowid.org/ (http://www.erowid.org/))*.  I've also linked a specific page on mystical experiences with Cannabis (as you may know: Any of several mildly euphoriant, intoxicating hallucinogenic drugs, such as ganja, hashish, or marijuana, prepared from various parts of this plant.) You can find the page here:http://www.erowid.org/experiences/subs/exp_Cannabis_Mystical_Experiences.shtml (http://www.erowid.org/experiences/subs/exp_Cannabis_Mystical_Experiences.shtml).*  This is the full page on experiences: http://www.erowid.org/experiences/subs/exp_Cannabis.shtml (http://www.erowid.org/experiences/subs/exp_Cannabis.shtml#Mystical_Experiences).*

F8te

*Veritas doesn't endorse the use of drugs, but is open to discussion for educational purposes
Title: Marijuana = psy-o-rama?
Post by: the pita on December 17, 2003, 08:17:07 PM
Quote from:
*Veritas doesn't endorse the use of drugs, but is open to discussion for educational purposes[/QUOTE




Tell me what educational purposes are there in the use of illegal drugs, Im from the UsofA were it is illegal. I would like to hear this one.
Title: Marijuana = psy-o-rama?
Post by: Kasei Knight on December 17, 2003, 08:52:00 PM
Well, discussion of medications and drugs would certainly yield some kind of gain in knowledge, would it not? Just my humble opinion, but I believe you have taken that quote, Pita, the wrong way.
Title: Marijuana = psy-o-rama?
Post by: Wayrath on December 17, 2003, 08:58:51 PM
First off.  Let's cut the crap.  Pita, you need to learn to deal with the fact that some people have alternative lifestyles.  His question is a very honest and very respectable question.  Just because something is illegal in the "UsofA" (as you put it), doesn't mean that's the ONLY way.  It's not illegal in Amsterdam.  Or is Amsterdam not as important as the US? If you're going to learn one thing from this, learn that the US is not always, and as of late very often not, right.  Now then.  Anything can have an educational purpose, so don't knock some one elses choices.  Now then. on to the point of my post.  These are my experiences.  I went into a phase where i figured that drugs were a very acceptable choice into "alternate states of conciousness" and they are.  Truly they are, and your experiences CAN be very real.  But thats the thing.  They kick you into these states the "easy way."  and DO get you there.  but in the long run, it only hinders your progress into feeling and existing in these states permenently.  It took me quite some time to figure that out, but personally i'm glad i went through it.  Because i experienced it firsthand.  Marijuana can relax you and make you more open to psychic experiences, but i guarantee you that the next day or next few weeks, if you attempt to make a psi-ball or whatever you want, it'll be 10x more difficult.  So yes, it can help, but only for a very short time and in the long run it's going to hinder you.  So anyway, make your own choices, experience everything you want to, and see how you feel.  Just think about everything :).

Good luck.  :)
Title: Marijuana = psy-o-rama?
Post by: Telemetry on December 17, 2003, 09:03:45 PM
"Pot slows the mind and its nerons, making psionics HARDER"

Incorrect. Mental ability and speed of thaught remains the same if not made quicker, the problem is that you tend to try and think about several things at once. What IS slowed is basic motor function. I say that from experience.


"i personally don't listen to closely to people who can't spell psi...
and stoners as well..."

Oh, I'm sorry, I didnt know that ones spelling "characteristics" dictated the intire scale of their mental ability, guess I should listen to you more, I'm sure I would learn to be ever so deeply minded. You don't know me. So don't think you can put me in a steriotype and 'walk away' looking any less of a moron than cheif potato masher at the mong factory.

Maby I could be ironic and say: "I personally don't listen too closely to people who can't put capital letters at the start of their sentences and who have a substandard grasp of english grammar."

Because of the first two lines of your reply, I didn't think it necessary to read futher.


"If you think drugs are going to help or ehance your abilities then you dont have any abilites to speak of. other than ignorance."

So, by my reconing, you're saying that if 'silverdawn' decided to explore the possibilities of drugs enhanceing psyonic ability, and he observed a genuine belief that they would work, he would, in fact, have no abilities at all. Other than ignorance. Well. Aren't you the informative one. No offence was taken on my part, I just thaught I should point out the gleaming little flaw in that arrogant, hollow, facade of a contradiction.


F8te - thankyou for the links. Most helpful.


"Tell me what educational purposes are there in the use of illegal drugs, Im from the UsofA were it is illegal. I would like to hear this one."

Well, following the spirit of the origional post: To understand the effects of drugs, both illicit and legal, on psy. This of coarse would be used as referance to future investigations and understandings of psy as a concept and an energy, and, if you will, a way of life, although I doubt that last one. You might wan't to look into why most drugs are illegal. The actual reasons behind why they were made illegal. Marijuana is an interesting one, mainly boiling down, after all the crap and propaganda, to Americans haveing less that kind views on mexicans and an overly dominating government that likes to stay on top of everything it can. I don't want to explain that futher. You can go find out yourself.


"Veritas doesn't endorse the use of drugs"
Good thing I didn't do that.


I am now, in a slightly irritated way, going to remind you what I was asking:

1) What do you think was happening?
2) Have you ever had any "drugs + psy" related experiences?

Not:
"Tell me your opinion on drugs."
"Show me how to be closed minded and abnoxious about things you have little knowledge of."
"Say something, and then contradict it within 5 lines."

And one more, which I want to go into because it's easy to piss me off:

"Pretenciously tell me why you feel it is ok to steriotype people because they choose to do something which on a small, personal, scale: involves noone but the person doing that particular thing"

that was in relation to:

"i have problems with people that think it's okay to do that stuff...personal things i'd rather not talk about, but i stray."


Thankyou to those who are constructive and can answer and/or aid a question.
For everyone else: May your loins shrivel and spew black acid.

Telemetry.

I dont think I want to reply on this thread anymore, takes to long, but I will be looking out for any HELPFUL answers/aids anyone has to offer. Thankyou.
Title: Marijuana = psy-o-rama?
Post by: F8te on December 17, 2003, 09:05:19 PM
Quote from: the pita
Tell me what educational purposes are there in the use of illegal drugs, Im from the UsofA were it is illegal. I would like to hear this one.


You don't think there is any knowledge gained from discussing this topic?  I did not say use drugs, either.  The discussion ON drugs and mystical experiences is what 'educational purposes' was directed at.  Would you just like to disregard them because America labels them illegal?  Do you not understand that some drugs also have medicinal properties?  Have you ever heard of the use of drugs in Native American rituals?  There is much more I could bring up, but I won't bother.  The point is, there is more to "illegal drugs" than we may be aware of -- or, in some cases, want to be aware of.
Title: Marijuana = psy-o-rama?
Post by: Yaksha on December 17, 2003, 09:49:53 PM
I've had some deal of experience with this in the past.

Psychedelics such as Marijuana, LSD, Psilocybin Mushrooms (but not necessarily non-psychedelics that may also cause sensory effects such as speed, coke, sleep medications, opium, caffeine, and so on), psychedelics amplify a person's awareness of the state of their own energies (psi, qi, ect.)

This being the case, many people's first experience in really paying attention to their own energies comes directly from their experience with psychedelic drugs. There is a slight danger though, because excessive use of those drugs can cause a severe depletion of those energies that you are listening to while on the drugs.
So don't smoke that pot all the time. No more than once or twice a week at most, or else you'll be loosing energy faster than you can learn from your energy.
Now that you've had an experience, stop smoking all together - just quit - and try to reproduce that experience once you're sober. If you can't do that, then you haven't really learned anything - so keep trying sober until you have it down perfect.

You can use drugs as guides to begin with, but it should not become a habit or a casual recreational thing. Every time you use a drug of this sort, have a purpose for using it that you say to yourself before dosing and work through the experience with that goal in mind.

IMPORTANT!:
Like any medication, there are some guidelines you should follow so the "medicine" doesn't make you sicker.
Here are some guidelines for those of you who absolutely must use these tools:

pot: Smoking isn't good for the lungs. Either swallow the smoke or cook it into some butter and use it in a recipie like garlic bread, cookies, or brownies. Don't use it very often - twice a week at most, or else it will begin to deplenish your qi and will make you lazy and ruin your posture which will further restrict qi flow.
If you do smoke it often, take breaks from it for a month or two to allow your lungs to cleanse themselves.

Strong hallucinogens (acid, mushrooms, dmt, peyote ect.): Don't use more than once a month or for more than six months in a row. An occasional binge won't cause any problems, but doing it once a week for many weeks certainly WILL cause mental problems, though mental trouble can be avoided if you abstain once mental problems are noticed. Eventually, they will work themselves out if you stay off the stuff. Abstain twice as long as it takes for the problems to completely go away.
Especially if taking large doses, don't go to public or dangerous locations unless you have a very powerful self-discipline and controll. Its advisable to have a sober friend whom you trust or someone you trust who is well experienced along with you to keep you out of trouble. They won't completely change your personality or anything like that, but they might make you reckless.

This is stuff I know from personal experience and by watching people who have taken it too far. If you follow my advise, the only troubles you will have from taking psychedelics are legal troubles.
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That being said, yes, these drugs are quite useful for developing psi and for a great number of other uses, but the same effects can be obtained through qigong, yoga, or meditation.

Don't consider this message to be an endorsement of the mentioned drugs, but rather a factual representation of the drugs taken from extensive real life experience with them.

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1) What do you think was happening?
2) Have you ever had any "drugs + psy" related experiences?

If you want to know, you'll have to talk with me in private. As you can now see, this isn't the best place to talk about this stuff in the open.
Title: Marijuana = psy-o-rama?
Post by: Kaster on December 17, 2003, 10:31:33 PM
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Scientists generally agree that pot dulls the mind for about 12 to 24 hours, and users will suffer on cognitive tests until the drug washes out of their system


So guess what;

 :D
Title: Marijuana = psy-o-rama?
Post by: Telemetry on December 18, 2003, 05:01:05 AM
I;m stone d again and im here to telll you that simon birch shit is scarey, fureacking midgets are bad shit, because i cxant deal with the deaformism and shit ites weirdd and GOD DAMNB HOLY HELL MAN! ITS BATT COUNTRY ROUNFD HERE! WE CANT STOP NOT NOW ITS SO SCAREYT, the lighs have stoped and fuck its getting seemy

theyre gone, THIS MAGNIFICANT STUPEFYRING FRAE Can only be describe :doggie: d BY A DICTORATE AT JOURNALISM!YOU SCURVEY SHIESTER BASTARD!

UHHHHHHHH YOU CANT DO THIS TO ME, I WILL REVENGE! THE POSTAL SERVICE HAS NO RIGHT, NO RIGHT TO TAKE MY LAWN DUSTINGS!
Title: Marijuana = psy-o-rama?
Post by: Yaksha on December 18, 2003, 05:21:05 AM
you are like the kid that drinks non-alchoholic beer and then stumbles around and acts drunk. Stop hamming it up.  :elephant:  :elephant:  :elephant:
Title: Marijuana = psy-o-rama?
Post by: Telemetry on December 18, 2003, 05:25:39 AM
you, my dfriend, are rather lucky im now on the comedown, you do not know my qualities or quantaties, or my tricks, so pah to you mr ditchweed
Title: Marijuana = psy-o-rama?
Post by: Silverdawn on December 18, 2003, 05:25:52 AM
Personally, I'm waiting for Darkduck's comments on this. ;)
Title: Marijuana = psy-o-rama?
Post by: Telemetry on December 18, 2003, 05:28:46 AM
HIM, MHIM, youve got a point, that will be interesting.

maby if it will be funny........... ok

but maby if it wont be, suppose these posts could........ dissapate, before he never saw themm, like they were never there....
Title: Marijuana = psy-o-rama?
Post by: Darkduck on December 18, 2003, 05:33:06 AM
I adore marijuana ^_^ but for a different reason.

I suffer from migraine attacks. Somehow, a good ol' blunt can make the migraine a lot more bearable. Admitted, a mind-numbing attack that'll have my head exploding from every photon hitting my eyes is ruled out, but during a mild attack, it helps a lot.

I never really noticed any effects on myself. I don't study psi, so I wouldn't know about that, but I do know that my ability to place/translate energetic patterns in the 3D-world is hightened so much, I basically see in full-colour through a house. Which is quite nice, since weed enhances many things (sight, colours, sounds). Plus, I can't normally see colour without getting a headache, so I like it :D plus, getting stoned with my friends and doing all kinds of crazy stuff always has been a fun favorite ;)

Drugs are bad, I heartily admit that. Even being part Irish, I hardly drink, and I'm not getting near hard-drugs. But hash and weed don't bother me at all. And trust me, stoned during math class...is downright amazing ;)
Title: Marijuana = psy-o-rama?
Post by: Calvin on December 18, 2003, 07:13:24 AM
*Falls over laughing... :D *
LOL DD, I would never have imagined you smoked... :elephant:
Title: Marijuana = psy-o-rama?
Post by: CanadianBuddhist on December 18, 2003, 07:51:47 AM
Marijuana does not cause hallucinations Kaster. It is more harmless than most of the stuff people put in their bodies. It's only bad for the lungs if you smoke it. Coke(the drink) is worse for you than mary jane. You ever watch those commercials advertising some prescription drug with 100 goddamn side effects. People take those without a second thought. The truth is, marijuana is not that bad for you, and for me, it helps in astral projection.
Title: Woohoo
Post by: Darkduck on December 18, 2003, 08:00:16 AM
Marijuana is kinda bad for your lungs if you smoke it yes. But... *grin* if you just toke it from a bong, you'll not only get better results, but also keep your lungs tar-free (if you normally roll a joint with tobacco instead of a pure one) :D

Oh, and frequent flyers will also be tickled by the words 'space cake' and 'high tea'... :D
Title: Marijuana = psy-o-rama?
Post by: Emre on December 18, 2003, 08:59:21 AM
Quote from: Darkduck
Marijuana is kinda bad for your lungs if you smoke it yes. But... *grin* if you just toke it from a bong, you'll not only get better results, but also keep your lungs tar-free (if you normally roll a joint with tobacco instead of a pure one) :D

Oh, and frequent flyers will also be tickled by the words 'space cake' and 'high tea'... :D


lool

Marijuana is sometimes really good... but it can also be addictive.
Title: Marijuana = psy-o-rama?
Post by: Darkduck on December 18, 2003, 09:08:41 AM
A cup of coffee is more addictive than a joint.

And basically anything is addictive. Too much is never good, which includes weed.
Title: Marijuana = psy-o-rama?
Post by: qi_master on December 18, 2003, 09:24:06 AM
When I was 13 my friends had me take a puff of some laced chronic. I almost went to the hospital. I haven't touched anything sense. I use to like the affects of high THC levels, but for my personally it just isn't worth it. Just y'all be carefull what you take into your body, because it might be more than what you thought. It was for me.
Title: Marijuana = psy-o-rama?
Post by: Here and There on December 18, 2003, 10:46:27 AM
I sure have had fun reading this thread. Personally, I don't think pot is bad for you, unless, as previously mentioned, you smoke it, then it hurts your lungs. I would not smoke weed, but just because it is against my religion. Yet, I still think that most of you just immagine you are astral projecting or making a psi ball because you are high. Marijuanna, makes your immagination go wild.
*Note* I am not neccissarily(sp?) disagreeing with anyone, I am just saying your immagination can convince you of things that may not be true.
Title: Marijuana = psy-o-rama?
Post by: the pita on December 18, 2003, 11:12:35 AM
I for one can understand about what you can get out of doing some drugs weather they are legal or illegal. I was doing drugs before most of you were even a though. I beneifted from various drugs. But i just hope no one here goes out and copies any of you who are contiuing to drugs without a doctors superivision. remmeber this is a place to learn , yes and drugs may help in many areas but, to some one else it may be there down fall, ther are addicts in this world and im sure there are some here. and dont kid youselfs. So remeber what you say here influnces others to go out and try to do what you do.We each have responsiblity here and to talk about the beneifets of illegal drugs just may lead someone out their to do something stupid , just because it may work for you , it may harm someone else. But i really do understand the use of drugs. I had my time to expermint and based on 25 years of drug experiance i know. illegal drugs and alot of doctor perscribed drugs are garanteed to fuck you up if you contimue to use the. just my thoughts and  life experiances. being 39 and a ex drg addict, i have all the knowledge of what drugs can do to you. And there is no reason to do drugs at all.
The nature high of life is all you need to acheive what you are looking for. you just have to open you eyes and look. Have fun guys, i was there too. LOL
Title: Marijuana = psy-o-rama?
Post by: SereneChaos on December 18, 2003, 11:50:37 AM
i'm personally opposed to illegal drug use, because one of my friends died as result from it. He was stoned and tried to drive and ended up getting in a crash, killing not only himself, but the two people in the car he hit. you can see why i don't like the fact that some people who i respect use this drug, and it saddens me to see that many people think it's OKAY or COOL to use that crap.
Title: Marijuana = psy-o-rama?
Post by: Yaksha on December 18, 2003, 12:14:09 PM
He didn't die cuz he was high, he died because he was high and driving. For a some people thats a dangerous combination.
Its not usually even comparable to driving drunk, but it really effects some people's driving a lot.
Title: Marijuana = psy-o-rama?
Post by: The Quiet Storm on December 19, 2003, 07:13:52 PM
I beleive that every plant on this earth has at least some healing properties. They all have a purpose. Though, smoking may not be the way to ingest ANYTHING properly. Even though I have never cooked, or vaporized marijuana, I'd rather do that then smoke it. I am going to invest in a vaporizer in the next couple of months.

I think the reason the body gets depleted of energy while high is because it is smoked, and the body needs to use energy to release the toxins of out of the body.

THC heals, and promotes feelings of well being. We have cannaboid receptors and THC receptors in our brain.

Ask yourself why would we have those in our body?

Why do marijuana plants have BUDS? What other plants have buds like that? Obviously they are for a special purpose... chemicals can be extracted from them and ingested. Pure THC, and cannaboids have very powerful healing properties.

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I sure have had fun reading this thread. Personally, I don't think pot is bad for you, unless, as previously mentioned, you smoke it, then it hurts your lungs. I would not smoke weed, but just because it is against my religion. Yet, I still think that most of you just immagine you are astral projecting or making a psi ball because you are high. Marijuanna, makes your immagination go wild.


What is psi? Isn't psi all about imagination? So is projection, and chi movement, it is all about imagining it happening... so that leaves me to the question "what really is a hallucination?" Is it just a part of the untapped brain that is being revealed to us? Our imagination being tapped and manifesting in a dream like state, so it looks real?

Think about it... all the chemicals really do is bring it out of our brains. It is all in our heads, the chemicals just make it easier to access these "portals" of higher consciousness.

It can be done with yoga and meditation, but marijuana (not a drug.... just a plant to me) can help in the spiritual journey if used like 10 times in one's life just to learn from it.... or at the very least use it in moderation. Too much of anything is harmful (as if you didn't already know that).

This is just my humble opinion.

BTW.... I used to smoke for about 1 and a half years, about 3 times a week with buddies. But because of some personal ego problems caused by the bad reputation of the substance I don't smoke with people anymore.... just by myself.... because otherwise it will be a bad experience filled with paranoia, and the lowest confidence and feelings of impending doom... and shame. But I have not smoked in about 3 months.... I do not plan to ever smoke anything in my life, I will invest in a vaporizer, and ingest the plant using other methods.
Title: Marijuana = psy-o-rama?
Post by: Telemetry on December 19, 2003, 07:20:43 PM
Promote that man.

Telemetry.
Title: Marijuana = psy-o-rama?
Post by: MaceMan on December 19, 2003, 09:27:39 PM
Quote from: SereneChaos
i'm personally opposed to illegal drug use, because one of my friends died as result from it. He was stoned and tried to drive and ended up getting in a crash, killing not only himself, but the two people in the car he hit. you can see why i don't like the fact that some people who i respect use this drug, and it saddens me to see that many people think it's OKAY or COOL to use that crap.
Thank you SereneChaos, for stating how drugs can KILL.
 
Bottom Line: It is not worth it to do drugs just to increase your psionic abilites TEMPORAIRLY; The trade off is too much.
Title: Marijuana = psy-o-rama?
Post by: Yaksha on December 19, 2003, 09:41:22 PM
Quote from: MaceMan
Thank you SereneChaos, for stating how drugs can KILL.
 
Bottom Line: It is not worth it to do drugs just to increase your psionic abilites TEMPORAIRLY; The trade off is too much.


While I agree with your serious tone, I do not agree with what you said.

Drugs, if used properly, will not kill you. If someone's driving on high doses of pot, or if they drink too much alcohol, or if they take a tenstrip of acid in a sword factory, they are just asking to die. Drugs are like knives or fire, they can be used without any harm at all if you know how, but if you've never heard of knives or fire before, and you start playing with it, you will get hurt. You have to know the rules before you play the game. If you don't know, don't try it or you will get hurt.
Title: Marijuana = psy-o-rama?
Post by: MaceMan on December 19, 2003, 10:01:15 PM
I said can, which means there is a possiblity, but I still would rather not chance it.
Title: Marijuana = psy-o-rama?
Post by: darksheep on December 19, 2003, 10:08:51 PM
Dont do herion its bad for you.... but a bit of weed here and there does nothing but good for a kid down on his luck....
Title: Marijuana = psy-o-rama?
Post by: Nekojin_Fenix on December 19, 2003, 10:24:26 PM
Drugs are bad for you, mmmkay?
Interesting topic though, good conclusion by most of you.
for the sake of kindness, thanks for sharing your opinions, good read. >.>
Title: Marijuana = psy-o-rama?
Post by: SereneChaos on December 20, 2003, 06:27:43 AM
yaksha, are you implying that my friend WANTED to die you asshole?
you are very lucky that i can't get to you easily in real life b/c i have a feeling i might do some damage if i could. how dare you say that, you didn't even know him, he was a better person than your inconsiderate self, except the fact that he fell in with the wrong kids a while back. but now, it doesn't matter any more because he's dead, and all ass mongrels like you can do is just say, well, he WANTED to die, so too bad. I'm ashamed to even have you a part of this community.
Title: Marijuana = psy-o-rama?
Post by: The Quiet Storm on December 20, 2003, 10:22:02 AM
Quote from: SereneChaos
yaksha, are you implying that my friend WANTED to die you asshole?
you are very lucky that i can't get to you easily in real life b/c i have a feeling i might do some damage if i could. how dare you say that, you didn't even know him, he was a better person than your inconsiderate self, except the fact that he fell in with the wrong kids a while back. but now, it doesn't matter any more because he's dead, and all ass mongrels like you can do is just say, well, he WANTED to die, so too bad. I'm ashamed to even have you a part of this community.



Are you implying that yaksha is implying that your freind WANTED to die?

:)

Look, all jokes aside.. your freind WAS aware that there is a risk being taken if he drives while high on weed. He may have not wanted to die, that wasn't his intention, but he did take the risk. A life-taking risk should not be taken.. unless you know for sure you can drive well while high.

My father, who has been a weed smoker for about 25 years always drives while high... in fact, it makes him even more careful... he knows what weed does to him, and he knows how to control his actions.

All I am saying is that your freind was aware of the risk... don't imply that I was implying that your freind wanted to die or that he is dumb.... because poeple make honest mistakes, and you just have to accept that he was aawre of the risk.

Peace :)
Title: Marijuana = psy-o-rama?
Post by: CanadianBuddhist on December 20, 2003, 10:47:42 AM
Has anyone honestly ever heard of a death caused by marijuana? never, and that's the truth.
Title: Marijuana = psy-o-rama?
Post by: darksheep on December 20, 2003, 01:33:01 PM
The only reason that Pot is against the law is because no one would smoke cigs if it wasnt and we all know how powerful tabacco people are. "They" (not tabacco people specificly) have forced us all into looking down on each other for the way we vent.  The same way annoying "churchies" (over religious soccer moms) think the use of our energy is some sort of demonic practise.
Title: Marijuana = psy-o-rama?
Post by: Yaksha on December 20, 2003, 02:31:52 PM
Malbro (or however you spell it)

already has a package design for marijuana cigarettes. Called "golds."
Just in case pot ever becomes legalized.
Title: Marijuana = psy-o-rama?
Post by: SilverDragonsBlood on December 20, 2003, 03:30:27 PM
I cant beleive all of this crap your telling us, Meaning me and my friends here. Marijuana is illegal and once it is in your system you dont think strait so serene's friend didn't want to die. You soulless creaps that think that he just wanted to die are heartless as well. If you want to think it makes your PSI stronger go ahead kill your selves but if i were you, which thank god i'm not i would put that dope down long enough to accually listen to his story before you judge what he wanted to do you need to realize that this is not just effecting this community you have uncovered a deep pain in serene's heart i know how he feels losing a friend to a drug. 2 weeks ago i lost my best friend to that drug and i know it will hurt for a long time.
Title: Marijuana = psy-o-rama?
Post by: SereneChaos on December 20, 2003, 03:34:00 PM
there's nothing we really can do, except petition congress to let pot be legal, then all those idiots would go on a smoking spree, and then at that point, natural selection would take over, ridding us of them forever. yes , that means i want some of you to die...
Title: Marijuana = psy-o-rama?
Post by: Smiffy on December 20, 2003, 03:44:45 PM
Quote from: SereneChaos
natural selection would take over, ridding us of them forever. yes , that means i want some of you to die...

LOL, all hail natural selection

as for my opinion on the whole drug thing. i think drugs are bad. though if somebody wants to take them then fine, they can, its their life that they will be risking.
anyway, this has been an interesting topic
Title: Marijuana = psy-o-rama?
Post by: The Quiet Storm on December 20, 2003, 07:51:39 PM
Quote from: SilverDragonsBlood
I cant beleive all of this crap your telling us, Meaning me and my friends here. Marijuana is illegal and once it is in your system you dont think strait so serene's friend didn't want to die. You soulless creaps that think that he just wanted to die are heartless as well. If you want to think it makes your PSI stronger go ahead kill your selves but if i were you, which thank god i'm not i would put that dope down long enough to accually listen to his story before you judge what he wanted to do you need to realize that this is not just effecting this community you have uncovered a deep pain in serene's heart i know how he feels losing a friend to a drug. 2 weeks ago i lost my best friend to that drug and i know it will hurt for a long time.



You keep referring to the "implyer" as plural. The only one who "implied" this was yaksha. But, I dont even think he implied that serene's freind WANTED to die. I don't imply it either.

Look.... marijuana can be COMPLETELY differen when consumed differently. I have read testimonials of a vaporzier. They state that it is a very clearheaded high, and the thinking is alot clearer as opposed to an unclear headed high which occurs when it is smoked. It is a whole body buzz, and not just a head buzz similar to when it is smoked. The high is more energetic, smoother, and the "downer" is alot more smoother.

The reason why it made serene's freind think unclearly is because he smoked it. Everyone knows that when something is burned, it releases a whole bunch of unwanted chemicals that ONLY get released when soemthing is burned. IT  causes a bunch of chemical reactions and it can cause a whole bunch of changes in the body that it is not supposed to as opposed to when properly ingested.

The only people with the characteristic of being soulless are the people who are glad to release negative energy by stating that natural selection will kill all the weed smokers and that some of us will die.

Geez.. if some poeple couldve just stepped out of the box that all you are thinking in, you would understand what I am talking about.

Serene, I understand where you are coming from, and I can see myself in your shoes in your situation. I feel deeply sorry for you. But what happened to you is social conditioning, and it makes you think negatively towards mother nature's, god given cannibis hemp plant... but look, if it makes you happy, it makes me happy. :)
Title: Marijuana = psy-o-rama?
Post by: Lightbringer on December 20, 2003, 08:19:16 PM
Just responding to the title: marijuana does not have any noticeable effect on psi, training does.  Stop looking for the easy way to get some mental power and work for it, otherwise you won't have the wisdom to know how and when to use that power when you finally have it.
Title: Marijuana = psy-o-rama?
Post by: Zake on December 20, 2003, 10:02:50 PM
Urrr... I didn't see much particularly offensive in Yaksha's post; I assume that the "asking to die" bit was figurative, as in "just asking for a pie in the face" or "just asking for a cow" :cow: .

Serenechaos DOES, however, have permission (from me, at least) to go haywire at Canadianbuddist, which much conviction.  I mean, ye gods!  "Honestly"?!  To start the haywireness: are you saying that Serenechaos' friend DIDN'T die?

Sort of unrelated note;  If psi is a byproduct of nerve firing, or otherwise caused by some biological function, then it seems logical to assume that some hypothetical drug, or class of drugs, does help psi function.
Title: Marijuana = psy-o-rama?
Post by: The Quiet Storm on December 20, 2003, 10:40:03 PM
Quote from: Zake
Urrr... I didn't see much particularly offensive in Yaksha's post; I assume that the "asking to die" bit was figurative, as in "just asking for a pie in the face" or "just asking for a cow" :cow: .

Serenechaos DOES, however, have permission (from me, at least) to go haywire at Canadianbuddist, which much conviction.  I mean, ye gods!  "Honestly"?!  To start the haywireness: are you saying that Serenechaos' friend DIDN'T die?

Sort of unrelated note;  If psi is a byproduct of nerve firing, or otherwise caused by some biological function, then it seems logical to assume that some hypothetical drug, or class of drugs, does help psi function.



Well.. what happens when I am high.... I get sensitive to all energies. I sort of feel enlightenement... my whole body just radiates as a single feild of energy. I can feel vibes alot stronger, and I can also emit stronger vibes. Time sort of slows down.... or at least, I notice the stillness in everything. Everything has a rhythm... even silence has rhythm. Emotions are stronger. My right brain thinking get noticeably enhanced. I can get closed eye visuals instantly, as if in the hypnogogic state. But I can get int he hypnogogic state instantly. It is fucking unbeleivably easy to visualize something. Almost no effort. I can make movies in my head and it feels like I am there. The blackness under my eyelids gets patterns, and sometimes I can have some sort of energetic visuals in my third eye... little wisps of smoke that form into the images that I have in my mind's eye.

With all these conditions... whose to say that psi abilities wouldn't be increased?
Title: Marijuana = psy-o-rama?
Post by: Yaksha on December 20, 2003, 11:40:48 PM
Just to dispell some argument, "asking to die" is a figure of speech to say that something is extremely reckless. Like dancing on the edge of a rooftop or something.

Pot doesn't alter you that much that your whole judgement is off. It just makes you a little more a certain way than normal for a little while.

Most of the stupid effect of pot is cut out when vaporising or eating pot (or swallowing the smoke instead of inhaling) It cuts out many of the bad effects that way.
Title: Yeah yeah yeah...
Post by: Slayer40000 on December 21, 2003, 11:38:50 AM
Throw out whatever bullcrap theories you want, a few bowls before practice always helped me ace scanning.  It also helps you with visualization, the hallucinations can give you awesome ideas for programming techniques...
Title: Marijuana = psy-o-rama?
Post by: the pita on December 21, 2003, 01:24:46 PM
Hey i used to do crank and coke, im sure that would help too uh? or or we just saying that pot can help only. LOL.
Title: Marijuana = psy-o-rama?
Post by: Komie on December 21, 2003, 02:41:01 PM
There is the very real possibility that that while in the drug induced state you were more relaxed, and so, mental blocks which may prohibate abilites did not exist.  It is also the possiblity that you imagined your results, and the best way to test it is to practice with out drugs in your system or have someone who normally is able to work with psi with out drugs, try it while takings drugs.  I don't know about pot, but I would not be surprised if some drugs made it easier to remote view or astral project, by simply putting the brain into a state simular to what happens in meditation.  As stated earlier, some studies have been done and the results of them was that drug use inhibates ability.  Maybe the results where biased, maybe they were fair.  If it works for you go for it.  If something else works for someone else, let them do it their own way.  Also, from the way that you described what kind of pot you had or that it was good, it is almost expected to get negative feeback from people who have strong feelings about the matter.  I don't do drugs, but for moral reasons(my own perosnal code of conduct), but I can respect the desire to try and experiment with different ways of training in psi.
Title: Marijuana = psy-o-rama?
Post by: the pita on December 21, 2003, 03:28:13 PM
me too, ive experminted  with many things to acheive what i was searching for. But what i found wasnt real due to the fact i was under the influnces of drugs. Pot may help or other drugs may help. But is it real or imagined in what you find out.??? I do believe with controlled testing you may find those answers out. But being at home doing drugs to achieve something that may or may not be there is udder crap. This is the last statement on this thread for me, applaude me now.. but wait, remeber again what you post here may be done by someone else. so type wisely. you have the influnce and someone else may try what you do. So take your drugs and your experiances elsewere. Ban me if you like, i dont give a shit, but drugs are for people who cant handle their own reality. Im surprised the higher ups allow this shit, fucin disscussing drug use and it benefits when we are at a site were there is impressinable people. have a good drug induced day folks
Title: Marijuana = psy-o-rama?
Post by: Psudoangel on December 21, 2003, 04:51:37 PM
ill put in my two cents... if somebody can use pot and become a psi supermaster, more power to them. they will just have to always have to be on pot, and they will have to worry bout the police(in most places), and if you constantly are        , i will bet you will never find your car keys again.

using substances will usually turn your brain to swiss cheese in the long run, thats why i dont do them, but the use of them to increase your own power i can understand. it just means you trade your short term memory and your lungs for a little more         ability
Title: Marijuana = psy-o-rama?
Post by: quitewarrior on December 21, 2003, 05:13:22 PM
Only a drug addict would make this thread.
Title: Marijuana = psy-o-rama?
Post by: LightLink on December 21, 2003, 06:32:31 PM
this thread is stupid. I would lock it if I could... darn

yall people are stupid if you think weed is good for you... Actualy I do wish that they made weed legal. They spend like 500 billion dollars trying to punish people who sell/do weed, and only like 3 billion on centers to help these people.

If they made weed legal, they could direct that 500 billion in helping people, and that would be better in the long run.

But realy, why do weed? It has no real benifits. It does have real concequences though. Just look at Ozzy... lol
Title: Marijuana = psy-o-rama?
Post by: Yaksha on December 21, 2003, 07:25:59 PM
Well, it seems everything that can be said about the subject has been said. . .
Title: Marijuana = psy-o-rama?
Post by: darksheep on December 21, 2003, 08:01:43 PM
Quote from: LightLink
this thread is stupid. I would lock it if I could... darn

yall people are stupid if you think weed is good for you... Actualy I do wish that they made weed legal. They spend like 500 billion dollars trying to punish people who sell/do weed, and only like 3 billion on centers to help these people.

If they made weed legal, they could direct that 500 billion in helping people, and that would be better in the long run.

But realy, why do weed? It has no real benifits. It does have real concequences though. Just look at Ozzy... lol

hey man dont get after poor ozzy that is weed plus everything eles not to mention millions of annyoing fans
Title: Marijuana = psy-o-rama?
Post by: LightLink on December 21, 2003, 08:09:53 PM
lol, like fans do that to ya. that poor guy has killed so many brain cells doing drugs. That plus he is going senile. Trust me, fans dont do that. Cant even understand a word that man says.

And you idiots cant tell me that weed doesnt kill a substantial number of brain cells. It will do that no matter how you take it. sheesh, dumb people...
Title: Marijuana = psy-o-rama?
Post by: Draconic Feathers on December 21, 2003, 10:04:24 PM
Now lets say that weed actually does increase ability. Would you actually want to depend on that in order to be able to do things? After a period of time, you will slowly null your own ability untill not even the drugs will be able to help you. Please, don't even try to see if this is true or not. Try to learn how to do things on your own.

And telementary - You stated something along the lines of the weed giving you "advanced" ability just because you were able to feel the psi ball in your hands. Feeling the ball is not advanced. It's something that usually happens and continues to happen after your 4th or 5th psiball. *wonders why no one noticed that* Anyway, what makes you so sure that you actually were making a psiball? For all you know, it was an elaborate hallucination (chances are it probably was).

And as for the people who say that drugs aren't bad for you and only Americans say that because that's what their country wants them to think, it's obvious that you depend on them, for they are bad for you. Whether it be from dying in some sort of accident while high, or the long term effects on your mind and body, they are bad for you.

And please spare me from the "only if they are not taken responsibly" crap, becase they way I see it, only two kinds of people take drugs: Those who need it for medical reasons, and those who feel the need to escape reality/peer pressure. The level of responsibility only aplies to the people who take it for medical purposes, for they have to take it (for whatever reason). As for the latter group, they take it to escape reality or because of peer pressure. There is no level of "responsibility" because of one major important factor: Simply taking the damned stuff for those reasons is NOT RESPONSIBLE. You might as well neglect an infant and say "the baby should not die unless you neglect it responsibally". You people contradict yourself so easily and are proud of it.

And I agree with LightLink, if I could, I would lock this topic. Courtesy of F8te's links, it has already served its purpose as an educational thread, and all it is doing now is breeding stupidity and causing petty arguments.
Title: Marijuana = psy-o-rama?
Post by: The Quiet Storm on December 21, 2003, 10:26:51 PM
Quote
It is also the possiblity that you imagined your results, and the best way to test it is to practice with out drugs in your system or have someone who normally is able to work with psi with out drugs, try it while takings drugs.


Like I said before.... what is imagined? Beleif is one of the strongest powers a human being has. If he beleived he did it....well he might as well have! If there are no doubts in your mind that you did it, and you imagined it, theres no room for doubts..

Lets say someone is high.. and he starts making a psi ball "duuuuude holy f*cking sh*tballs! I can see my psiball! WHOOOHOO!!" And so he keeps the psiball there... somewhere along the line he will actually have a psiball, and it might perhaps be even stronger than other psiballs he made, because he actually is imagining it... which IS what your supposed to do isnt it? even if its unintentional, and 2, because he is hallucinating... but maybe the hallucination can also be the shape of the exact psiball.

So really.. no matter what, if its a hallucination or imagined or not... in the person's reality, it IS real.

Many studies have shown that marijuana doesn't kill brain cells. They don't know the cause of the short term memory loss... but I do have some explanations. It could be that marijuana does increase awareness of the moment... at least for me. It increases my awareness of the Now, so I am unconcerned of the past or future, so it can lead me to have increased forgetfulness of unimportant things.

The herb kava kava is a relaxing herb.. it induces a state of "relaxed unconcern". It doesn't kill brain cells. Not everything that changes the mood or mind state kills brain cells. They have done experiments to see if the immune system went down... and the scientists found nothing. Perhaps if you SMOKED kava kava, you can experience some weird ass effects similar to when mary jane is smoked. The toxins released by the smoke can affect Chi levels which can lower the immune system because energy that can be used for healing, is being used in detoxifying the body.

Anyways... your body makes new brain cells every freakin second. Plus all the chi that is being raised... causes even more replenishing of cells.

I am not saying go and do it.. its just that people here have so much hatred for marijuana which is nature's gift. Everything in nature is a gift... not just marijuana. And so many stereotypes of "stoners". Alot of "stoners" I know don't act stupid. They actually are very smart, and you would not know they were smokers until they smoked in front of you.

The stoners that act dumb... are slaves to society themselves. They see a stereotype of a stoner on tv and think they should act this way because they have smoked weed. Or they blame a common error in their brain for the weed that they smoked, thus making them think, weed makes them dumber, and then it shapes their reality, and then weed actually DOES make them dumber... at least for their reality.

It is all in the MIND.

I don't want to influence everyone, but its the damn truth.

And.... if you want to know..... just to know... I have not smoked weed or done any drugs, even drinking in about 4 months. I will experiment with a vaporizer when I get the money to get one. I am looking to see if I have good chi circulation the next day, as if I had never vaporized. If this is true.. I plan to vaporize about once a week for the rest of my life or until I get tired of it.

That is my choice.. and nobody can change it.

I beleive there is no harm in it... and if I beleive so.... it will be.
Title: Marijuana = psy-o-rama?
Post by: The Quiet Storm on December 21, 2003, 10:45:28 PM
Quote from: Draconic Feathers
Now lets say that weed actually does increase ability. Would you actually want to depend on that in order to be able to do things? After a period of time, you will slowly null your own ability untill not even the drugs will be able to help you. Please, don't even try to see if this is true or not. Try to learn how to do things on your own.

And telementary - You stated something along the lines of the weed giving you "advanced" ability just because you were able to feel the psi ball in your hands. Feeling the ball is not advanced. It's something that usually happens and continues to happen after your 4th or 5th psiball. *wonders why no one noticed that* Anyway, what makes you so sure that you actually were making a psiball? For all you know, it was an elaborate hallucination (chances are it probably was).

And as for the people who say that drugs aren't bad for you and only Americans say that because that's what their country wants them to think, it's obvious that you depend on them, for they are bad for you. Whether it be from dying in some sort of accident while high, or the long term effects on your mind and body, they are bad for you.

And please spare me from the "only if they are not taken responsibly" crap, becase they way I see it, only two kinds of people take drugs: Those who need it for medical reasons, and those who feel the need to escape reality/peer pressure. The level of responsibility only aplies to the people who take it for medical purposes, for they have to take it (for whatever reason). As for the latter group, they take it to escape reality or because of peer pressure. There is no level of "responsibility" because of one major important factor: Simply taking the damned stuff for those reasons is NOT RESPONSIBLE. You might as well neglect an infant and say "the baby should not die unless you neglect it responsibally". You people contradict yourself so easily and are proud of it.

And I agree with LightLink, if I could, I would lock this topic. Courtesy of F8te's links, it has already served its purpose as an educational thread, and all it is doing now is breeding stupidity and causing petty arguments.


Ok.... first off.. the topic of dependancy.

If you vaporize weed once a week.. or perhaps once every 2 weeks... how can I build dependancy on it? The only dependancy that I can see, is if I depend on it to learn from it.

I mean.. if I practice every day for 2 weeks, 13 days sober, and one day high. I could learn from that one day high. I can try to get that feeling I got, while I am sober, and learn from it. I can remember how it feels to do this or that. You feel me?

You are saying that people can become dependant on it if they smoke weed SOLELY for the purpose of practicing psi, and that they practice psi, only when they are high. But waht about those that don't and do something similar to what I stated above?

And as for saying that "Americans want you to think that drugs are not bad". Well, it is the complete opposite. Americans want everyone to think drugs are bad. BUT... I don't oppose this either. I think all drugs are bad. Natural herbs aren't drugs though. At least not to me.

And the way I see it... there are 3, yes 3 kind of people that ingest marijuana. Those that need it for medicinal purposes, those that want to escape reality; and those that learn from it... those who don't escape reality, but just experience the new reality, but do not deny the sober reality either.... which also leads them to experience a new high, which is just soberness with enhancements, because it is in direct comparison with the sober reality.

That lets proper reasong shine through, and a sense of sobriety.

Like I said; it is all in the mind.
Title: Marijuana = psy-o-rama?
Post by: Draconic Feathers on December 21, 2003, 10:53:59 PM
If it is all in their mind and is "real" because they themselves perceive it to be real, then all it really is yet another hallucination. In short: it doesn't matter because it is not real. Why take drugs to experience what it would be like to make a construct if you are not actually doing it and will not benefit from it? If anything, you are causing yourself to retrogress for you would develop a need for drugs just to be able to make a construct.

Either way I still stand on my beleif that this topic should be locked.
Title: Marijuana = psy-o-rama?
Post by: The Quiet Storm on December 21, 2003, 11:03:38 PM
Quote from: Draconic Feathers
If it is all in their mind and is "real" because they themselves perceive it to be real, then all it really is yet another hallucination. In short: it doesn't matter because it is not real. Why take drugs to experience what it would be like to make a construct if you are not actually doing it and will not benefit from it? If anything, you are causing yourself to retrogress for you would develop a need for drugs just to be able to make a construct.

Either way I still stand on my beleif that this topic should be locked.


I am talking about the judgement on marijuana is all from the mind. The ego mind, based on social conditioning.

But even if I put it the way you mentioned it.... isn't psi all in the mind too? You don't get my point. The only reason why something imagined would not be real is if the person beleive deep down... even unconsciously that what is imagined is a result of the weed, and nothing more.

Either way you still stand by your beleif that this topic should be locked. :)
Title: Marijuana = psy-o-rama?
Post by: Yaksha on December 21, 2003, 11:25:31 PM
I'm out of this argument from here on out. people are getting juvenile. Lets just lock the damn thing.
Title: Marijuana = psy-o-rama?
Post by: F8te on December 21, 2003, 11:55:30 PM
One doesn't need drugs to have mystical, supernatural, or psychic experiences.  I have come to where I am without the use of drugs.

Quite often people that use them do so without proper knowledge of the working of thier own mind -- knowledge of self, resulting in undesired outcomes.

Experimentation was never meant to be a harmful experience.  It just so happens that many do not know how to experiment, and how to prepare themselves.

The drug is blamed as if it has its own mind, when it is actually the user that makes the stupid decisions to use something prior to understanding it, as well as themselves.

One is not meant to be addicted to a drug(s).  Addiction in any form is a sign of unbalance and that prior preparation was not satisfied.

Don't experiment unless sure of yourself.  Curiosity isn't enough.

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