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Title: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Prophecy on May 10, 2008, 04:07:14 PM


Daily Magic Practices II



   At the time that I originally wrote this article, there was only a very small number of truly devoted aspirants seeking spiritual progress.  The rest were in it for intellectual theory, and not a great deal else.  Likewise, the community was more interest in traditional western exercises, and so I provided some unique variations of traditional Golden Dawn and Rosicrucian techniques for people to safely practice, and be able to see some real progress.  In this past year, however, I have been pleasantly surprised by an overwhelming number of requests for a deeper level of practice that can guarantee fuller development for someone who is more seriously inclined towards his spiritual path.  I have been guiding these people on a mostly person-to-person basis, but since the demand has grown beyond my capacity to supply with the amount of time I have available to me, I have resolved to publish a truly sound and progressive daily spiritual practice for those who desire to take their dedication to the next level. 

   Those of you who have a legitimate teacher and guide along the path already should only alter your daily practice with his or her permission.  I provide this as a positive suggestion to jump start your spiritual progress, but it is all very general.  Your instructor, if he is a good and properly trained one, will know what you should and should not be practicing much better than you could know.  For some people it may be allowed to practice japa but not yet pranayama, or perhaps to practice thought control and body control but not yet implement daily devotion.  These will all depend on your inner character, which will be discerned by any good teacher, and so you must always consider his advice.  In general, however, what I will give here shall suffice for most people, should they be able to dedicate themselves to it.

   I have said often to my students and to those who come to me that inaction and inconsistency are two lethal poisons to the pursuit of magical attainment.  Someone who desires to be a magician can not be content with mere philosophical inquiry and speculation.  He must put his mind to work and cultivate his soul, which can only be done in the fires of rigorous practice.  The world has no use for people who simply put forth ideas quietly but never make anything of them; it is as if they were dead.  All the good intentions of the world can not make you a magician.  A good person, perhaps, but not a good magician.  The undisciplined mind must be forced into a habit of regular practice until the practice itself becomes enjoyable, and then real progress is seen. 

   Do not allow your mind, as weak as it often is, to convince you of some excuse to not practice.  There is no one who can not practice, and there is no legitimate reason not to.  Even ten minutes a day, if done with consistency, will allow for good progress.  You are not too busy!  Do not listen to the excuses of your lower self, but fight them vehemently.  I am a very busy person.  Monday, Wednesday, Friday, and Saturday my work day starts at about 6:45 AM and ends at about 10:00 PM.  Tuesday and Thursday I work at least eight hours.  In addition to this I have a daily physical exercise routine to maintain in order to be continually effective in the martial arts, I have a group of personal students who often need my attention and direction, I am writing three books and several hundreds of pages of material for organized lectures later on, I try to keep up to date with the five or six Emails I receive from people every day here at Veritas, and in spite of all of this I maintain at least two hours of daily magic practice.  If I with my schedule can accomplish two hours, then I am forced to believe that everyone can accomplish at least twenty or thirty minutes.  The problem is not your schedule, but instead, it is your ability to properly prioritize.  If you are going to seriously pursue a spiritual path, then you must be able to prioritize activities in your life accordingly.  This article is for people who are seriously pursuing magic, as opposed to those who simply dabble in it.  The former will find a good practice system herein, but the latter will never be able to summon the willpower and consistency in practice to achieve notable results.

   Patience is a great test, and one of the favorite tools which the universe uses to try your devotion in the flames of spiritual practice.  Remember to always persevere if you do not see progress at first.  It is not given to all of us to advance quickly, but with patience and consistent practice, everyone can advance. 


Starting the day spiritually
   To the devoted magician, arising at the latest time possible, or "sleeping in," should be offered up in the flames of sacrifice.  In order to regularly secure the proper frame of mind, to check constantly his devotion to his path, and to reap the maximum benefits, he must establish a habit of rising early.  Habit-breaking and habit-making are two key components in mastering one's mind. 

   The Zohar tells us thusly in the Noach Zohar, verse 277,
   
   "When a person gets up to study Torah in the middle of the night, when the northern wind awakes, The Holy One, Blessed be He, enters the Garden of Eden and enjoys Himself with the righteous.  And He, together with the righteous, listens to the words which come from such a man’s mouth."

   Again we find in the Torah, in Yeshaya 26:9,

   "With my spirit (Heb. Nephesh) I have desired you in the night; with my soul (Heb. Ruach) within me will I seek you early."

   From these two verses alone we can derive that the ideal situation is for the astral body (the Nephesh) to be projected during the night under conscious control, so that the individual may continue his studies and practices even while sleeping, and for the individual himself to arise early in the morning.  He who does so is seen as greatly revered and becomes highly rewarded. 

   In Yoga, there is also a highly favored practice where one awakes during the Brahmamuhurta (hours of brahman).  During this time the energy of the atmosphere is very calm, allowing the aura of one who is in meditation to more easily calm itself also, and therefore the mind.  Meditation is therefore very favorable during this time.  Sri Swami Sivananda Saraswati writes thus about it:

   "At this particular hour, the mind is very calm and serene. It is free from worldly thoughts, worries and anxieties. The mind is like a blank sheet of paper and comparatively free from worldly Samskaras. It can be very easily molded at this time before worldly distractions enter the mind. Further, the atmosphere also is charged with more Sattva at this particular time."

   The aspiring magician who can rouse himself at 4:00 every morning and practice for at least an hour will see phenomenal results, and shall advance very quickly.  His peers on the spiritual path will not be able to understand how he can progress so easily through the many steps of spiritual evolution.  Admittedly, however, this is not possible for all people.  If for example your job requires that you are awake late at night, being essentially any time after 10:00 PM, then this will be very hard for you to do.  It is better in that instance to wait until later during the day or the evening to practice so that you do not fall asleep during meditation.  For those who are able to get up that early, then if they can conjure the willpower to, they will almost immediately notice the benefits of doing so.  After seeing the results, they will probably never want to wake up later than the Brahmamuhurta again.

   To begin your day with spiritual practice is a perfect beginning.  Your mind is clear for your work day, or in some cases for those who are younger, the school day also.  Your energies are controlled, and your consciousness is centered.  The activities of the day do not disturb you as much, and it is easier to keep a spiritual mindset no matter what situations you may find yourself in.  Because your will be starting your day with an elevated level of consciousness, you will be able to more clearly observe the animal impulses in other people, and how the illusions of the senses bind the actions of most individuals.  From this scientific observation you will grow greatly in your understanding of the animal self and the real self, and obtain the knowledge of their difference.  This will encourage a more constant spiritual point of view in your entire life.  When you return home after your daily obligations and have some free time again, it will be easier to sit down and get back to your spiritual practices, should you choose to. 


Proper Hygiene
   As a hopeful magician, you should engage in what a magician would call the proper practices of hygiene and cleanliness in all aspects of your life.  To be clean is to be organized, but physical cleanliness is not always the subject.  Spiritual cleanliness can be thrown into regular daily practices of hygiene in order to achieve maximum effects and help enhance the rate of your progress.

   The aspirant should ensure that he showers every day.  If he is diligent then he will bathe in the morning hours before his early spiritual exercises during the brahmamuhurta.  When he bathes, he will not place his mind on his physical body.  Instead he will detach his mind and focus on his spiritual self and his astral body, letting the physical hands do what they are accustomed to doing.  When the water flows over him, he will imagine that the dirt on his spiritual bodies flows off with it.  He should visualize that his skin is the crystallization of this dirt, with its diseases of death and sorrow, and that the skin is being washed off with the water as he scrubs.  Beneath that skin is a fluid-like glass, which he should know is the astral body.  As the water runs over him and he washes himself, he should see that he is polishing this glass.  As he polishes it and cleans it, a bright white light begins to shine through it.  The aspirant will advance in this way over his entire body every morning, until by the end of the bath he visualizes himself as a being of pure white light.  This in an excellent way to start the morning.  When he dries off, he should sit immediately and begin japa to further purify his mind also, which we shall discuss momentarily.

   During the bathing, the aspirant should in a trancelike state.  His mind is not at all focused on his physical body, and the bathing actions of his hands and arms are acting totally automatically.  His focus is absorbed entirely into his mind, where all of his concentrative power is being directed at these visualizations.  He should be almost entirely unaware of what his physical body is doing, or of what the water feels like, how hot or cold it is, how hard or soft.  His mind is entirely focused on his visualizations.  As the aspirant's power of focus grows, the healing and cleansing effects of this practice shall grow also. 

   The aspirant should take to the routine of washing his hands often.  Whenever he handles something that is considered unclean, and most especially if he uses his hands to commit a sin (such as masturbation), he should spend about a minute cleaning his hands.  He should visualize that the magnetic power of the water is not only pulling off the impurity from his hands, but is actually magnetically pulling out the impurities of his body also.  He should see the impurities and negative energies as running off his hands with the running water, down into the drain where they are forever gone to his mind.  It helps towards the end to cup your hands and gather water in them, and then focus especially on the water pulling out the impurities of your hands and your body, and then letting the water pour out.  When finished, dry your hands with a clean towel or paper towel. 

   For spiritual practices, the aspirant should wear either fresh and clean clothes that are soft and easy to practice in, or he should wear a clean set of clothes used especially for practices, and which he keeps apart from the rest of his clothes and wears only when he practices.  If he can do the latter, then he will appreciate the benefits. 

Practicing Japa
   Japa is the repetition of a mantra.  There are many mantras available for this practice, and the student should always chose one that lends itself most easily to his own beliefs and convictions.  For example if you are of a Jewish or Christian persuasion, then it would not be wise to chant a Hindu mantra.  Instead you could chant one of the Qaballistic names of God, a special verse in Hebrew or Aramaic, or YHShVH. 

   The practice of Japa is the single most effective exercise, I am convinced, for the cleansing of the mind.  When the daily activities of life spoil the consciousness, and various sins infect the mind and fester within it, then Japa is the most beautiful panacea available.  It is a true gift, a real gem.  It is said traditionally that the man who spends his entire life without doing japa has wasted a life, and upon its practice I believe that anyone would come to this conclusion.  It leaves the mind totally exalted when done correctly, and conjures up all available mental power for later activities.  Because total focus on a single statement and its meaning is had for a long period of time, the mind becomes very quiet, and the mental energy is gathered together instead of being dispersed one hundred directions by one hundred different thoughts.  The magician shall find that if he performs japa before his magical exercises, then they shall go much smoother.  For that matter if one performs Japa before any undertaking, then the undertaking seems to become easier.  When done upon God, divine energy infuses the mind while the attention is drawn magnetically to Deity.  When done often and with great devotion, the magician will begin to transmute his mind into his depiction of God Himself.  He will begin to take on the qualities of God.  By itself Japa can lead to Samadhi; when done with other exercises, Japa helps the attainment of Godhead immensely. 

   Before the magician establishes a Japa routine, he should have a japa mala.  A mala is a string of beads which he can use to count, and which traditionally has 108 beads tied onto it (reminiscent of the 108 names of Shiva, Durga, Krsna, etc).  Having a japa mala allows the mind of the individual to be focused entirely on the mantra instead of having to worry about keeping count.  Such malas can be purchased at various stores or online shops, or one can make a mala himself.  The choice is entirely the individual's. 

   In the morning, Japa should be the first practice undergone.  In the evening, it should be the last.  When you have performed your morning bathing ritual and have dried off, then dress very comfortably (or remain naked) and sit down to do Japa.  During Japa you must be entirely focused on either the meaning or the target of the mantra.  For example if doing the Gayatri mantra, you can be focused on the meaning of divinity and its splendor.  When doing Japa with a name of God, then the  image and qualities of God should be held firmly in your mind during the procedure.  It is concentration upon the meanings and feelings of the mantras which purify the mind; simply speaking them will not accomplish much, though they often have at least some power of their own.  "Perfect Japa" is done in a state of complete devotion and surrender to God, wherein the boundaries of the mind melts, and you feel as if it is the entire universe speaking the mantra within you, instead of just you speaking it. 

   Japa should be done at least 108 times.  For a busy person, 108 times twice a day, meaning 108 in the morning and then another 108 before bed, is a good target.  This is especially good for the average individual, who tends to be lazy and neglectful of daily practice.  Even just these two sessions will test the beginner's patience and check his anxiety.  In the beginning Japa should not be done while simultaneously doing something else.  For example, do not do Japa while doing the dishes.  At first it is best to sit down and do Japa only, when all of your attention, so that you can begin to destroy anxiety and impatience in practice.  Japa is an excellent tool for the beginner who can not yet bring himself to meditate for hours on end.  A gradually extending practice of Japa will push his meditative abilities further and further.  If you can not even bring yourself to sit in one place and focus for five minutes in the beginning and end of the day, what hope is there for you as a magician?  How can you ever expect to stand in the presence of powerful spirits, of mighty angels and archangels?  How can you expect to accomplish even the most menial of tasks in the world of magical practice?  People who have fantasies of clairvoyance, telekinesis, clairaudience, and elemental mastery hanging in their minds can forget all possibilities of attainment if they can not just do a little bit of Japa. 

   People who are going to be successful, and who desire to become magicians in this life instead of taking many lifetimes, will push at the boundaries of their practice.  They will seek to perform 1080 (ten malas) repetitions of the mantra in the morning, and then another 1080 in the evening.  A person who can do this while continuously maintaining concentration on the purpose and meaning of the mantra loosen the grips of sin and karma.  Their minds become filled with God after much practice, and they can not help but act saintly.  Instead of having music, emotions, desires, discussions, world situations, social problems, etc, buzzing around in their subconscious minds, they shall have the sweet hum of the mantra always in the back of their minds.  After practicing this for a deal of time, there will be no magical operation which he can not be guaranteed eventual success in.  Progress will come to him very quickly, and he will even obtain some magical abilities without trying.  Because he purifies his mental body every morning and every night, it will be very hard for sin to sink into his being, and so he will free himself from a great deal of karma and will always be clean.  There is of course no limit on how much Japa you can perform, so practice it often. 

   Japa can roughly be split into two groups: mantra japa and namah japa.  In mantra japa a particular whole mantra, whether it be from scripture or a simple statement thought of by one's self, is repeated again and again.  A very commonly used mantra is the Gayatri mantra, which goes as such:

   "OM bhur bhuva svah
     tat savitur varenyam
     bargo devasya dhimahi
     dhiyo yo nah prachodayat
."

   The rough English translation of the Gayatri mantra is,

   "O God, Thou art the giver of life, the remover of pain and sorrow, the bestower of happiness; O Creator of the Universe, may we receive Thy supreme sin-destroying light; may Thou guide our intellect in the right direction."

   Though the English translations can work in so far as the intent being the same, the most advantageous use of a mantra is always in its original language.  Each language has a certain tone to it, a marked and unique vibration, which stamps each statement in a particular way.  A mantra recited in a foreign tongue is never as effective as when it is spoken in its native tongue, so long as the speaker knows its meaning. 

   Namah Japa is, in my eyes, the highest japa.  It is the repetition of the Name of God, done many times, so that one's mind becomes entirely filled with the qualities and images of God.  Great progress is made spiritually as the aspirant becomes absorbed by God.  Constant namah japa makes his mind a sponge which absorbs holy power and divine authority, so that little by little his mental body actually becomes connected to divinity.  It is said that whoever performs namah japa regularly on the same God will begin to become that God, and this is certainly true.  His character will be sublimated and perfected by the character of his Deity, and he shall become a divine personage.  This practice, coupled with intense magical practice bent on achieving Godhood and spiritual perfection, will allow the magician to make great strides in a single lifetime. 

   There are many different mantras available for namah Japa, but the one which perhaps has the most scriptural weight belongs to Shiva.  In the Shiva Purana it is glorified more than any other mantra in any other scripture.  Because Shiva in His form as Rudra is seen as the perfect yogi and highest magician, it is very common for spiritual seekers of God to adopt this mantra so that they may fit those descriptions also.  Shiva is depicted as being in Samadhi, and so by becoming Shiva, one also enters into Samadhi quickly.  The mantra is simple: "Om Namah Shivaya."  It means roughly "I surrender to Shiva." 

   It is called the five-syllable mantra, and is the pentagrammaton of Hinduism.  The initial "Om" is not counted as one of the five syllables, but instead represents God before He became active in the universe.  To the Qaballists, it is God as Ain, Ain Soph, and Ain Soph Aur while still on the other side of the negative veils of existence; God before He created Kether.  From the "Om" emerges the "Namah Shivaya," the five syllables which symbolize the five heads of Shiva and total mastery over the five elements.  It also represents the analogy of the entire outer world being sustained by the five elements (fire, air, water, earth, and Akasha) as Namah Shivaya, and the entire inner world being sustained by pure consciousness as Om.  The mantra is pronounced phonetically as either "nah-mah shee-vai-yah" or "nah-mah-hah shee-vai" depending on which dialect it is being spoken in.  Either one works perfectly and represents the same principal meaning, and so the aspirant should choose whichever one rolls off the tongue easier for him if he decides to do Namah Japa on Shiva using the pentagrammaton.  During the repetition of the mantra, Shiva should be visualized strongly with His traditionally associated symbolism, and the aspirant should focus intently on the ideas of Samadhi, bliss, detachment, omnipotence, omnipresence, omniscience, and infinity.

   Another powerful mantra for namah japa is the pentagrammaton of the Western world: YHShVH.  Here also the five elements are represented.  The Y represents fire, the first H represents water, the Sh represents the Akasha, the V represents air, and the final H represents Earth.  This is a Hebrew formula and has very powerful Qaballistic significance.  It is perhaps most powerful when spoken as "Yod Heh Shin Vau Heh" due to the analogy present in the five syllables, but can also be spoken as "Yehoshuah."  This magical formula is depicted by Jesus Christ, as it is the formula for His first name.  If the student decides upon this pentagrammaton for his namah japa then he should strongly visualize Christ as He is described in the book of Revelations, or he should focus upon major events in His Gospel.  Meditation upon the intense passion which He exhibited during His crucifixion can have great effects.  During the visualization and meditation, he should focus intently on the  ideas of love, compassion, mercy, omnipotence, omnipresence, omniscience, and infinity. 

   No matter which aspect of God is being concentrated upon for the purpose of namah japa, no matter if you are concentrating on God as Shiva, Odin, Ra, Kephera, Jesus Christ, Yehovah, Vishnu, Brahma, etc, the four qualities which must always accompany the rest of that personality's qualities are omnipotence, omnipresence, omniscience, and infinity.  The other qualities will change in accordance to God's qualities as that form.  This keeps the visualization correct from the magical perspective of elemental equilibrium, and will establish a habit that will help greatly in higher stages of initiation. 

   Other powerful mantras can be YHVH, Sah-tah-nah-ma (the Satnam mantra), the Mahamantra (Hare Ksna, Hare Krsna, etc...), and any other meditation upon God's name that you can find. 

Body Control
   The practice of body control is very important to the magician, as its exerts his mental dominance over into his immediate physical domain.  If you can not sit still, it is hard to still your mind.  If you can not still your mind, then all magic becomes very difficult.  Thus one of the first places to start your practices alongside japa is the practice of Asana, or in essence, of sitting.

   Assume a posture which you would like to use as your meditation posture.  This can be Siddhasana, Padmasana, sitting cross-legged, or sitting with your back straight in a chair, these being the most common choices.  In all cases your back should be as straight as is possible, your chin should be lifted, your breathing should be entirely controlled, and your body should be still.  Hold that posture first for five minutes, and concentrate entirely upon the body.  Try to feel every inch of your flesh.  Feel every possible disturbance, including even the very hair on your arms and head.  Focus on every itch, every twitch, and overcome it.  Remain totally still, with only your breath being the source of some chest movement.  When you can do this for five minutes without feeling the desire to get up and do something else, or without your thoughts wandering, then extend the practice to ten minutes a day.  Some will need to practice longer, and you should be your own judge if you do not have the guidance of a teacher.  Never hesitate to practice as much as you need to, or as often as your teacher tells you that you must.  For most people, ten minutes twice a day shall suffice for steady progress with a busy daily schedule. 

   Overcoming the obstacles of the body is a great stride towards being able to accomplish meditation.  When you can completely still the body it becomes calm and cool, and the internal energy called the prana flows smoothly through the energy channels of the body.  Because tension is released and the mind becomes calm, all blocks in your internal energy circuits are removed.  Though at first the practice may be hard and cause you to feel uncomfortable, it must be persisted in until you can feel completely comfortable, even somewhat blissful, in your asana.  After ten minutes of practice you should not even want to move any longer.  It should feel like you are inside a warm shell, but are not the shell itself.  When this can be achieved, you are making good progress and should advance at the discretion of a teacher or with your best unbias judgment. 

   When you can control the physical body in the above manner, then you may be instructed in the performance of certain physical asanas.  These are best learned by a teacher who can perform them, because proper form and technique are very important.  Many asanas, by virtue of a profound knowledge of the internal energy system, force certain movements of the prana that are advantageous to spiritual evolution and health.  They can bestow mental clarity, astral purity, and physical health in great abundance.  Some of them even work towards awakening the Kundalini, and can greatly aid in the achievement of Samadhi.  As in the simple form of body control practice, the asana should be performed with total control over every inch of one's body.  Nothing can be unaccounted for or allowed to slack.  During physical asana practice, which belongs to the practice of hatha yoga, the mind flows out into the muscles and controls the flow of internal energy.  The entirety of one's concentration will rest either upon the exact physical posture, the flow of internal prana, or a certain mantra. 

   Though each posture offers a different benefit, the ultimate goal of an entire asana routine is to balance the electric with the magnetic, or the solar with the lunar.  This causes the mind to become still and the aura to become balanced and healthy.  Someone who actively practices physical asanas is a beam of health.  His has a sort of glow to it, and he will maintain his youth long into late years.  Often times even if he is  sixty years old, he would look to be in his late thirties or early forties. 

   Immediately after japa, the aspirant should spend about twenty minutes stretching his legs, arms, and most especially his spine (front bends) and lungs (back bends). When he has loosened up and blood is again flowing equally through his body, then he can begin the practice of asanas.  This will wake him up, and ready him for the day in the morning.  When the student performs his night practices, he will perform body control first, and then do japa. 

Thought Control
   Thought control is a great practice, and should be performed either immediately before or immediately following Japa.  Much like Japa, thought control allows the student to quiet his mind so that his mental energy is available for what he desires instead of being thrown in many different directions.  When the student can control his mind, and only then, can practical magic start to seem realistic. 

   The first stage of thought control requires that the student becomes a passive observer in his own mind.  He practices detachment, and watches his thoughts pass  by in his mind without any sort of involvement in them.  They will disappear without any interest as quickly as they arose in his mind.  This skill takes some practice, but after trying a few times the student will get the grip of how to do this.  After some practice he will notice that the thoughts will begin to slow down, and that their numbers will gradually decrease.  By not being attached to the thoughts, he has managed to reduce their number.  If he practices at least ten minutes a session, once at morning and once at night, then after a few weeks he will gain success in clearing his mind.  One day during practice he will simply observe that there are no more thoughts coming into his mind.  This can be seen as the first level of success, wherein he has learned mental relaxation.

   The second stage requires that the student can hold on to a single intended thought for a length of time.  He will strongly fight back and dissolve any thoughts other than the one which he is trying to focus on.  This will be very hard at first, and the mind will want to wander and think about other things.  The student must persevere, and he will discover that with regular practice he becomes capable blocking out all thoughts besides the one which he desires to focus fully on.  When this is achieved, then magic begins to become possible in the future.  This is called learning mental concentration.

   In the third stage of thought control, the student empties his mind entirely.  He then passively focuses on a subject and its meaning, allowing his consciousness to form a rapport with the subject of his intention.  At first this connection will be weak, but with much practice over a long period of time it shall becomes strong, and the magician will develop a flow of consciousness with it.  When that happens, he shall feel like he is a part of the thing, and that the thing is a part of him.  Union occurs with patient practice.  The same mechanism found here eventually allows for Samadhi, which occurs when the subject of the meditation is God, and then an unbroken flow of consciousness is established between God and the magician.  It takes much practice to obtain, and must be complimented by many other practices along the way in order to not take many lifetimes.  When the connection of consciousness occurs, it is called meditation.  When that connection finally occurs fully with God, it is called Samadhi or Union. 

   Thus, there are three essential stages of thought control:

1.)  Relaxation
2.)  Concentration
3.)  Meditation

   Only after mastering relaxation and concentration can one actually meditate.  By regular practice of relaxation, the student gradually enhances the amount of mental power available to him.  By the practice of concentration, he increases the amount of mental power that he can effectively use.  Once after practicing relaxation he has increased the amount of mental available greatly, and through concentration has learned how to use it all, then he can direct that mental power to accomplish a state of meditation.  This is the order of progress. 

Pranayama
   Pranayama is the control (yama) of the breath (prana), for controlling the breath means the control of the internal energy that is called prana, and in the West is often called the life force.  In all cases it is good for the beginning aspirant to start japa and thought control, and also body control, but it is not always proper to begin pranayama.  Some people can start practicing it almost from the very beginning, whereas some people must wait until they have advanced in other practices before they can begin it.  If you do not have a teacher, then your own personal discretion should be used.  If you have problems controlling your attention and the flow of your thoughts, then you should not yet perform pranayama. 

   Pranayama, depending on which exercise is being performed, accomplishes many things.  It is the most effective tool for awakening the Kundalini and purifying the internal energy passages (nadis) as well as the internal energy centers (chakras).  It enlivens the astral body with powerful energy and strengthens the aura greatly.  When the energy flows serenely through the nadis the it can be withdrawn into the spine during deep meditation.  This causes the prana to become still, which silences the mind simultaneously.  Regular practice of pranayama destroys wordly desires and attachments by attaching the mind to divine things.  The student becomes a true dynamo of internal power, and so his power over the world around him greatly increases.  Some magical powers are developed automatically as the result of regular pranayama.  Pranayama allows the solar and lunar energies to balance one another in the pit of the stomach, so that their flow becomes canceled.  When the flow of the upwards (respiratory) and downwards (excretory) energies go into one another and become canceled, then the prana is drawn into the spine and breathing ceases.  This is called the Kevalia Kumbhaka, and can lead into Samadhi.  When the breathing totally stops, sometimes for hours at a time, then the mind is absolutely still.  This allows the soul to flow through into the mind, and the ego-personality achieves union with the soul-personality.  Someone who is in this state of being looks on the outside as if they are dead.  He is not breathing, his pulse is so feint as to be undetectable by most tools, he becomes cold to the touch, and his skin becomes pale.  This happens because the life force is withdrawn into the spine and then the brain.  If the top of the head is touched, it is usually discovered to be almost burning hot.  When the kevalia kumbhaka ceases and the individual breathes again, then color and other signs of life return as usual. 

   One very effective pranayama which most can practice safely is called sukha purvaka.  It is performed as such:

   Sit in your meditative asana.  Place the thumb of the right hand against the right nostril, closing it, so that you can only breath through your left nostril.  Inhale for three seconds through the left nostril.  Release the right nostril and push in the left nostril using the ring finger of the right hand while holding the breath, so that the right nostril is open.  Visualize that your breath, filled with energy, flows in through the left nostril and fills your entire body with pure white light.  Hold your breath for twelve seconds, thinking to yourself, "I am God."  Focus on containing within yourself all the qualities of God as pure divinity.  Now exhale out of the right nostril, letting the light flow out through the exhalation, taking everything that is not God with it.  Still holding the left nostril shut, do the same thing with the right nostril.  Inhale for three seconds, hold and contemplate for twelve, then release the left nostril and close the right nostril with the thumb, exhaling for six seconds out of the left nostril.  This constitutes one repetition.  Perform this ten times in the morning and ten times in the evening. 

   This is one of four major variations of sukha purvaka, and is the most suitable for someone who is new to pranayama in my opinion.  Other variations focus on balancing out the internal tattvas, alternating a current between the solar and lunar disks within the body, and striking the Kundalini within the muladhara, which are all more advanced.  When this first level of pranayama can be performed well enough to generate a feeling of pure and relaxed bliss and concentration, then the student can advance to higher techniques at the discretion of a teacher. 

Living the Path
   None of these practices amount to anything if you throw out all of your progress every time you have the opportunity.  You can spend great lengths of time in meditation every day, but if you engage in sinful activities and indulge your lower lusts and desires every day, if you keep bad company, use drugs, masturbate, get drunk, etc, then your progress shall be incredibly slow.  Sometimes you may not even advance at all, in spite of your best efforts.  The simple fact of the matter is that you can not advance far in this path without the proper lifestyle changes.

   People often say to me, "but this is my way," or "I walk my own path."  This is foolishness, and it often leads directly to failure.  No matter what you may identify to be your "way," the simple fact of the matter is that you will never finish a project which you completely destroy every day that you work on it.  This is not even a matter of occult metaphysics or spiritual principles: it is a matter of common sense.  If you intend to pursue a spiritual path seriously, then I have provided the tools  in this article to have an incredible kick-start to your journey.  However, they can only be used properly in conjunction with the proper lifestyle and living habits in general.  The path of a beginner is a very frail one.  His mind is not yet trained to resist powerful temptations, nor is his aura strong enough to naturally throw off negative energies.  He is very impressionable, even if he does not think so.  The intelligent student who wants to see success in his practices will know these things about himself, and will take precautions to make sure he does not fail.  These are some invaluable pieces of advice for the lifestyle that the beginner should try to maintain in order to see maximum progress:

-  Have a balanced diet consisting of no red meat and many fruits, fruit juices, and milk.
- One should avoid foods that over-excite you and your senses.
- Avoid the company of sinful, wordly-minded people whenever possible.
- Do not drink alcohol recreationally or socially, through a few drinks a week are fine.
- Totally avoid all narcotics and the people who use them.  Drug use is not conducive to spiritual advancement.
- Do not spend a great deal of time listening to music.  It will play in the background of your mind and distract your practices.
- Do not be overly sexual.  Sexual activity twice a month is considered a safe maximum that allows spiritual progress to go mostly unhampered, presuming it is performed as an expression of love.  Masturbation is strictly forbidden for someone who wants real success.  Celibacy is always the most effective choice when it is realistic.
- If you are a particularly sexual-minded person, then avoid the company of the opposite sex.
- Do not watch, read, or listen to things of a negative nature. 
- Decorate your house, or at least your room, with things that remind you of spirituality and of God.
- Burn incense regularly to keep your path on your mind.
- Read scriptures some every day.
- Develop a strict routine for your spiritual practices and stick to it without wavering.

   Many of the "rules" for one's lifestyle change somewhat as you advance and are no longer as receptive to negative influences.  Even still, though, one should choose to avoid things of a negative and destructive nature, and to engage himself in holier activities if he desires to see real progress in the divine science. 



Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: gimel_samech on May 10, 2008, 06:32:43 PM
Fantastic article, full to the brim with boiling hot awesomeness. Thank you.
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Hech on May 10, 2008, 06:37:31 PM
This is great. Thank you, Prophecy.

If one wakes himself at 4:00 AM, should he go to sleep at 8:00 PM? Is it alright practice during 4:00 AM to 6:00 AM and go back to sleep until a regularly scheduled waking time? If the asana is difficult to hold muscularly (like tension in the inner thigh), should it be practiced anyway? Is it alright to sit in a pillow? Are there recommendations for mantra repetition speed?

Let me confirm: Wake up at 4:00, pray and address God, shower, dress and immediately perform japa, stretch the body for at least ten minutes, practice asana as body control (and eventually hatha yoga), and finish with thought control? If one reads scriptures or wishes to meditate more, where would this fit in?

If one chooses to do pranayama, where would it fit in? Is it beneficial to practice a few Ujjayi pranayamas first, or is it perfectly alright to go straight into Sukha Purvaka? Namaste.
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Prophecy on May 10, 2008, 08:35:26 PM
Great questions Hech.

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If one wakes himself at 4:00 AM, should he go to sleep at 8:00 PM?

This depends entirely upon how much sleep you comfortably need.  The average practicing magician, by virtue of his charged aura and healthy mind and body, can usually sustain himself perfectly fine with about five hours of sleep.  Thus, it is not uncommon to get to sleep at around 11:00 PM to wake up at about 3:45 AM the next morning.  If you can not do this comfortably then do not try to until later.  Adjust your sleep schedule as may be required.

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Is it alright practice during 4:00 AM to 6:00 AM and go back to sleep until a regularly scheduled waking time?

You can do so, but it will somewhat dampen the positive effects of the morning practice on the rest of your day.  If possible, it is best to actually fully wake up at that time.

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If the asana is difficult to hold muscularly (like tension in the inner thigh), should it be practiced anyway?

Some asanas, such as padmasana and siddhasana, have emperical value that makes it worth overcoming minor pains at first to be able to perform.  Most asanas that require a straight back for a long period of time become uncomfortable, but as lumbar strength increases the posture becomes more pleasing.

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Is it alright to sit in a pillow?

Yes, but you should wean yourself off it eventually.

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Are there recommendations for mantra repetition speed?

It depends on what is comfortable for you.  I spend about three seconds on each Om Namah Shivaya, for example, though sometimes I spend twenty or thirty seconds vibrating each mantra.  Let the mantra decide.

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Let me confirm: Wake up at 4:00, pray and address God, shower, dress and immediately perform japa, stretch the body for at least ten minutes, practice asana as body control (and eventually hatha yoga), and finish with thought control? If one reads scriptures or wishes to meditate more, where would this fit in?

Thought control is best performed either before or after Japa, as opposed to at the end of the practice.  As for further practice, after the entire routine is a good time to sit down and read scripture, and then after reading scripture, to meditate more if you would like. 

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If one chooses to do pranayama, where would it fit in? Is it beneficial to practice a few Ujjayi pranayamas first, or is it perfectly alright to go straight into Sukha Purvaka? Namaste.

Pranayama would fit in best between japa and asanas.  It is alright to do some Ujjayi first to stretch the lungs, but it is also fine to go right into sukha purvaka.
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Jesse9209 on May 11, 2008, 06:14:43 AM
Great article.

Would using the God names of the planets that Regardie gives in his art of true healing be good for japa? And should I just stick to one of the names or cycle through differnt names that are differnt planets and aspects of God?
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Rock on May 11, 2008, 06:56:55 AM
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You can spend great lengths of time in meditation every day, but if you engage in sinful activities and...Sometimes you may not even advance at all, in spite of your best efforts

I may have misunderstood you, but given the above, how is it possible that people can advance in black magic, and develop magical ability, without the adherence to a strictly moral lifestyle?
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: akilalleyne on May 11, 2008, 07:00:26 AM
A good question. Since you brought it up i suppose that I am now wondering the same thing as well.
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Raitaro on May 11, 2008, 10:24:59 AM
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No matter which aspect of God is being concentrated upon for the purpose of namah japa, no matter if you are concentrating on God as Shiva, Odin, Ra, Kephera, Jesus Christ, Yehovah, Vishnu, Brahma, etc, the four qualities which must always accompany the rest of that personality's qualities are omnipotence, omnipresence, omniscience, and infinity.
What mantras might one use if he was focusing on Odin, Ra, Set or Thoth?
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: gimel_samech on May 11, 2008, 10:30:28 AM
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You can spend great lengths of time in meditation every day, but if you engage in sinful activities and...Sometimes you may not even advance at all, in spite of your best efforts

I may have misunderstood you, but given the above, how is it possible that people can advance in black magic, and develop magical ability, without the adherence to a strictly moral lifestyle?

Spiritual power does not always imply spiritual advancement. There are plenty of negative entities who are willing to help an aspiring black magician if they know that he will work to chaotic and destructive ends. But more importantly, in the end karma will strip them of their false power and they will find it much more difficult to advance to even the lowest levels of spiritual maturity.

*Please take this post with a grain of salt until credited or discredited by Prophecy.*
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Julianus on May 11, 2008, 10:33:30 AM
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given the above, how is it possible that people can advance in black magic, and develop magical ability, without the adherence to a strictly moral lifestyle?

I agree with Gimel_Samech.

As far as I am concerned, it is not absolutely necessary to lead a righteous life so as to develop certain faculties and magical powers (siddhis); so, if you want to advance in the so-called "black magic," you can. Keep in mind though that black magic is only limited to the development of certain powers/faculties and this development is also limited, per se. This is due to the fact that the magician who follows the path of High Magic shall undeniably evolve more and, because of that, be far more powerful than a black magician as the former achieves unification with the Divine (Perfect Samadhi), and this is followed by unlimited prospects of evolution, whereas the latter does not and, so, at some part he will come across a wall and he won't be able to continue on his path. Prophecy, I believe, mainly wrote this article for those who wish to follow the path of High Magic and this is why he has written that the aspirant should lead a moral lifestyle.
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Prophecy on May 11, 2008, 12:22:07 PM
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Would using the God names of the planets that Regardie gives in his art of true healing be good for japa? And should I just stick to one of the names or cycle through differnt names that are differnt planets and aspects of God?

I would not advise using what could be called lesser names of God, on account that they refer to specific qualities and spheres.  Becoming too attuned to them will disturb a balanced and harmonious development, making progress more difficult in the long run.  Conversely it would bestow certain lesser magical abilities more quickly, but would hamper total spiritual evolution and the attainment of greater abilities later on. 

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I may have misunderstood you, but given the above, how is it possible that people can advance in black magic, and develop magical ability, without the adherence to a strictly moral lifestyle?


In truth, most so-called black magicians are not particularly powerful unless they have made pacts.  In fact, they are usually jokes when considered individually.  Even after having made a pact with spirits who agree to serve them for a time, they will always be limited to the authority of the spirit they made the pact with.  So fact example if a black magician has a pact with a devil, but the true magician has more spiritual authority than that devil, then the black magician is still rendered rather useless in his maneuvers. 

What Gimel_Samech said has great weight: spiritual power neither neccessitates or implies spiritual attainment.  One can obtain certain magical abilities through the scientific formulae of magic which bestow those things.  However, they shall inevitably hit a roof.  This was the meaning of Hermes Trismegistus in the Emerald Tablet, when he said:

"It is the Father of talismans and the protector of miracles, whose powers are perfect, and whose lights are confirmed."

In a short, brilliant statement, Hermes confirms that the Akasha (the subject of discussion in this verse) is the protector of miracles.  What does this mean?  To not go into an entire seperate discourse, we can say simply that the Akasha is the very primal substance of God which unites all things, and that spiritual evolution is decided by how far one can ascend within the light of the Akasha.  It is called the "protector of miracles" because if a person can not ascend through it all the way to God, then eventually the Akasha itself will stop their progress and prevent them from working higher magical operations.  A person who is not saintlike and righteous in his actions will not be able to ascend past a certain point in the Akasha because of the difference between himself and the fundamental nature of God, and as such will not be able to access certain magical abilities.  Thus, it is the "protector" of the higher forms of magic. 

The Emerald Tablet is a beautiful work with great wisdom.  There is a much larger exposition on the subject, with a full commentary on the Emerald Tablet, to be found in the book that I am currently writing. 
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Wushi on May 11, 2008, 12:45:18 PM
Many thanks for the brilliant article Prophecy, and be sure to tell us when your book is being printed.

I was wondering, if one is working within a certain Magical tradition (for example: the Aurum Solis), which does not involve any Hindu gods would it be better to devote oneself to Thoth (they do work with the Egyptian pantheon, this is all in my limited knowledge ofcourse) than Shiva although I am much more attracted to Shiva.
Or can one devote oneself to 2 gods who more or less share the same virtues? For example both Thoth and Shiva.

Thanks again
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Prophecy on May 11, 2008, 01:01:58 PM
It depends on how well you can maintain the understanding that they are all God, simply different personalities of God.  If you are more inclined to Shiva then focus upon Shiva, but use the other godforms of the system when you are supposed to. 

I know that the Aurum Solis in particular is very good about understanding that people feel inclined to different aspects of God, and towards the end of their initiation process it is required that their adepts choose a form of God to totally surrender themselves to and assume the godform of through a series of exact invocations.  They would have no problem with you doing that with Shiva. 
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Entity on May 11, 2008, 01:10:18 PM
Thank you Prophecy.
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Wushi on May 12, 2008, 01:18:18 PM
Shiva it is then  ^-^ , thanks alot
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Raitaro on May 12, 2008, 03:01:27 PM
Here's a little tip `Zephyr gave me if you don't have a mala. There are 12  points on your fingers you can use for counting. The first four are the knuckles, then you move up to the finger joint and then to the joint below the nails. You coun't all fingers on one hand excluding the thumb. Then you have 12.
 For 108 repititions you must chant 12 sets of 9. Thusly, start on the first knuckle of your left hand, that'll be your first set. Count along the points described on your right hand until you reach 9 (the bit below the nail on your first finger). Once you reach here start with the second knuckle on your left hand. Continue in this fashion until you've exhausted all these points.
 It takes a bit of getting used to but it helped me a great deal.
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Shinichi on May 14, 2008, 04:33:29 PM
First off, thank you for sharing, Prophecy. Your articles (this one included) have helped and will help me greatly on my Journey. I can honestly say I don't know where I would be without you. ^_^"

And moving on to my questions, I am in what seems to be a unique or at least rare situation; I have a lot of free time, and I do mean a lot. I am self employed, and my work requires only a few hours a day--some times not even that. And in addition to this, I am a hermit of sorts, so I have almost no social life (this will change, eventually (probably), as my empathy comes under control). So, I can dedicate many hours to magic and spiritual practice and or study, but the question rises--Should I?

I have seen many times, in many exercises (especially in the IIH) that you should only do this or that for so long (usually ten minutes, sometimes 30 or so), but it is my understanding that these exercises were constructed to work for "busy people". I am not a "busy person", per se, but from a martial artists perspective I DO acknowledge the risk of over training, so constructing a schedule of spiritual practice greater then what has been recommended often worries me.

So here I am, asking you, one who has taught me or otherwise led me to learn most of what I know regarding magic and hermeticism--Is it "safe" to construct a longer schedule of spiritual practice then what is normally recommended (one hour in the morning, and one at night, per what was stated in an earlier post here)--and if it is, will it bring forth results faster? I am a patient person when I have to be, and I realize I won't complete IIH or any other such practice overnight (or in a week, or month), but I've also long adopted the philosophy of "You get what you give"--and having the extra time to give as I do, I would hate to "waste" it as I have for so long already.



~:Shin:~
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Kichara on May 14, 2008, 07:50:46 PM
I am pretty sure that the time limits mostly apply to when you are moving the energy or accumulating. Like You would not want to over do Pranayama or the Elemental accumulations, but that doesn't mean that you can't practice them more than twice a day. and you can do the meditations and things like Asanas as long as you can. Japa in particular you can continue the entire day if it pleases you.(And it brings very interesting effects I might add once you have enough mental control to keep it running) Unless it is moving or accumulating energy I don't think there are time limits, only minimums.
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Shinichi on May 15, 2008, 06:52:09 AM
I see, that makes sense. But what would be a somewhat safe intermission period, between the ones that do have limits but can be practiced more? Weight lifers, for example, usually rest for a minute or two before sets. Would something like this require longer rest periods, like an hour, or a half hour, or two? Or would it depend more on the individual, and how much they can handle (as is the case with most weight lifters, staying with the analogy)?



~:Shin:~ - Thank you for answering, I hope I'm not being too annoying. ^_^'
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Hech on May 15, 2008, 07:33:51 AM
Pranayama needs to be built up with time. You will find yourself unable to do to much. The general teaching is that four sessions of alternate nostril pranayama is best: morning, noon, evening, and night. You can also increase the number of rounds. This all takes time. Two sessions per day is alright.

Accumulations can probably be done twice per day. Beyond that, I do not know. I have no legitimate personal experience, and I am far from qualified to speak on the astral body. However, do not wear yourself out with practice. Aspirants will ask for more practice. They will practice with vigor for two months even; then not at all.

Use steady, scientific methods of progress. Do not rush, but do not be satisfied with mediocrity either. Start with even practices and slowly increase the amount. As Sivananda frequently says, "Use your common-sense."
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Arpspasm on May 15, 2008, 03:56:10 PM
I was wondering if times of bodily excretion (urination and defecation,) would be appropriate times to cleanse the body of energetic wastes? I would assume that there would be some level of this taking place naturally "that which is above is like unto that which is below" and this process might be intensified with focussed intent?
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Wushi on May 16, 2008, 07:27:51 AM
You are correct Arpspasm ;)
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Shadow_Dragon on May 16, 2008, 09:31:39 PM
Excellent article Prophecy. I have a few questions, though. In your first Daily Magic Practices, you described the QCL and LBRP. Where can you fit those into the schedule? After thought control, perhaps? Or should I reserve those for the beginnings of ritual?
And also, I love the concept of "Om", and would love to add it to "YHShVH", to make it "Om Yod-heh-shin-vau-heh" which sounds more poetic and mystical, and somewhat musical when I say it. I was wondering if this was alright, but I can't see any problems with it.
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Bender on May 24, 2008, 06:33:08 PM
Thanx alot, great article, but i have one question:

earlyer in the article you said that you must view your own thoughts objectively. I strugle with this, is there a method to doing this, if so, please share. . .
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Wushi on May 25, 2008, 01:39:57 AM
You can read about it in his Elemental Magic PDF, or in Initiation into Hermetics (or both).
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: WolfRaider on May 25, 2008, 07:49:36 AM
A great article.

When I read the part about celibacy I thought of a question. Bardon tell us in his work that extreme asceticism is not particularly healthy for one's spiritual advancement, as it can create an elemental imbalance. How does that work with celibacy? I know that twice a month is still safe, but what about complete abstinence?
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Prophecy on May 25, 2008, 09:37:24 AM
Ascetism, in the sense that Bardon uses the term, was more in reference to the extreme practices of the fakirs, which during the time that he wrote his books was just beginning to become known in the western world.  Severe austerities and penances prolonged over a long period of time will do irreparable damage to the physical and astral bodies, even though it may greatly illuminate the mental body and soul.  Thus, Bardon warns his readers to be cautious of employing such activities, since complete illumination can be achieved in other ways that are less damaging. 

Celibacy is peculiar in that it is an austerity and a sacrifice which acts as much more than simply a feat of willpower.  In males, it will store up the vital energy usually used for sexual intercourse, and cause the semen and its vital nutrients and potent energy to be withdrawn into the spinal cord.  From there the energy travels up the spine to convert into mental energy, where it lends greatly to the practice of magic and success in deep meditation.  In females, sexual power builds up and is sealed in by the hymen, constantly reverting sexual energy back into the spiritual centers of the woman.  Such is why virgin women have always been held in very high spiritual esteem.  So, in both cases there is a good spiritual reason for celibacy apart from simply a test of willpower and purity.
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Rawiri on May 25, 2008, 11:52:08 AM
Sure Bardon is focused mostly on other fanatic ascetism, say standing on one leg for days, or letting the fingernails grow cut into hands etc. But nonetheless he STILL  mentions sex. Specifically he says:

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Vegetarianism is not implicitly important for the mental progress or the intellectual development, unless it is supposed to be a remedy to clean the body from slag. A temporary abstinence from meat or animal food is indicated only for very specific magic operations as a sort of preparation, and even then only for a certain period. All this is to be considered with respect to sexual life.

Thus in that context, one can even see that Bardon suggests celibacy is 'not implicitly important for the mental progress' and shows how it is advocated only for very specific magic operations (such as those of the Western Grimoires concerning evocation), and even then only for a certain period. Then of course, further above Bardon goes into how people 'causing great damage by exaggeration and wild excesses that were unnatural and unlawful.'

Now I don't know about everyone else, but looking at nature...'no sex' seems about one of the most excessive and 'unnatural' things there is. Unless perhaps you are a plant, which I suppose some magicians are in their armchairs all day long vegetating. Bardon always advocates to 'beware of any exaggeration' and life long celibacy *is* an exaggeration. Add to this the fact he was married and had children (which come from sex) and may have (though I have not seen any evidence) been a member of the Fraternity of Saturn...which certainly was not prudish.

The idea of celibacy and its benefits comes mostly from three sources I can think of. The old grimoires...and then they were often clergical members, brought up in such a faith and thus had much 'programming' about it. Even they though, were often rather 'rebels' and certainly often did not seem against sex, but only for set periods of some rites. The second main source in 'modern magic' (if I shall even really give it the distinction and honour of being called 'magic') comes from theosophy and Mdme Blavatsky, who was most certainly a rather repressed women...like many women in the occult seem to be...that or nymphomaniacs. Most likely due to her Eastern Orthodox upbringing (I believe, my memory may not be right about that one). Thirdly through the leaking of the eastern ideas and to a far less degree their techniques into the western system, this being linked to Blavatsky above and after the split of the Golden Dawn. Even then though, the east is not very set in their ideas, and there are a multitude of views on this and other subjects, even often among generally respected individuals from different 'sects'.

So may celibacy be beneficial? Perhaps. But it is as far as I can tell, certainly not something advocated by Bardon and I would argue is even placed in a dim light by him, both his writings and life.
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Prophecy on May 25, 2008, 12:41:18 PM
Bardon suggested not to be celibate, in that light.  I, however, strongly recommend it to any of my students who can successfully engage in the practice without spoiling other obligations (such as to a loved partner).  Its benefits as I mentioned earlier are still present, regardless of one's magical activities, and they can not do anything but help.  If Bardon had put it into practice, he likely would have discovered the same thing, especially judging by how profoundly influenced he was by the writings of George Lomer.  In speaking of abstinence, Lomer says:

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But as a preliminary measure towards the aspired transformation, this sexual abstinence is absolutely necessary. It should be mentioned that it is a transitional stage which does not have to be adhered to as strictly once the goal has been reached.

Hence, once the goal of the training has been reached, abstinence is no longer required.  The personal records of Lahiri Mahasaya also support this, as he maintained Celibacy for a long time until he had achieved constant Samadhi, and from that point would occasionally have sex with his wife. 

In Lomer's "Fundamental Rules of the First Level," his second rule is "Avoid sexual satisfaction of any kind."  In his explanation of the second rule, he states:

"Any kind of sexual intercourse weakens you; at this time you require all your energy for higher purposes. You must also abstain from erotic thoughts, because these weaken you just as much as the actual intercourse; for some people, even more so."

Students who read George Lomer's Seven Hermetic Letters, which were in print before Bardon began writing his books, will find that Bardon's terminology and frame of practice follow the template provided by Lomer.  In western occult literature, this is arguably the most emphasis that sexual abstinence finds.  To students of Eastern practices, it is simply common knowledge.  I have found that regardless of which paradigm one belongs to, unless its practices are sexual, the practice of celibacy is beneficial in every way.  Not only does it sharpen the willpower against the most dominating of desires, and therefore against all other desires, but it provides genuine spiritual benefits in the process.
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: YHSHV on May 25, 2008, 07:07:55 PM
" In males, it will store up the vital energy usually used for sexual intercourse, and cause the semen and its vital nutrients and potent energy to be withdrawn into the spinal cord. "

If you are willing, please explain how we may transmutate the energy to go up the spine.

As I'm sure you are aware, Freud and later Reich debated that reserved sexuality was the cause of nearly all psychological problems (Freud later deciding to be more a Victorian man). 

I'm not disagreeing, buts its one thing to abstain from sexual activity and repress it, its another thing to transmute it into spiritual energy as you describe.

I'm sure the MP helps with this, but perhaps there is a way for an "immediate" working when someone may get some urges, as is common to all, I'm sure.
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Hech on May 25, 2008, 07:35:03 PM
Practice Asana and Pranayama. If done properly, you will never regret it. Read some of Swami Sivananada. For example: Kundalini Yoga, Science of Pranayama, etc. (All of these can be found for free online as an e-book.)
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Rawiri on May 26, 2008, 12:43:06 AM
If you truly wish to transmute the sexual energies, then you can engage in frequent sarvangasana/sirshasana. These help, particularly if you will it to transmute into Ojas and travel up (down?) the spine at the same time. For any 'sudden' urges you get, I can think of no better method of transmutation that I know of than that provided by Charles Haanel in his co-authored book 'Amazing Secrets of the Yogis.' The performance of it is described thus:

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28. Here follows a Pranayama exercise for the Transmutation of the productive Energy. In order to effect a transmission of the reproductive energy either to the solar plexus or to the region of the heart and lungs or to the brain, when the sexual instinct is uuppermost, you should first close the right nostril flow, if you are male, or the left nostril flow if you are female. You may keep the required nostril closed with one of the fingers till you go through the exercise. Stand erect or sit erect with feet placed squarely on the floor and inhale a deep breath through the open nostril. Retaining the breath expand and contract the abdominal regions several times and then exhale. Inhale again through the same nostril and do as before.

29. When you inhale three or four breaths as direction the emotions will be subjugated but now you must transmit the energy to the required region, do this by inhaling another breath and retaining it without expanding or contracting the abdomen, contract or draw in the anus, mentally ordering the energy to be transmitted to the required region. Exhale, and inhale another breath and contract the anus as before. If you have mastered the act of drawing in the anus, you will actually feel the etheric energy which animates the sex organs being drawn up.
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: helikos on May 26, 2008, 02:32:03 AM
excellent article prophecy. You really have a gift for writing about this subject.

 I was just curious, what martial art do you practice, and which martial arts would you consider to be good as supplemental to magical studies?

Also, I was wondering if you could give any mantras relating to the Egyptian deity Thoth/Hermes Trismegistus that I may use during japa, as I tend to identify with him more than Shiva.
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Raitaro on May 26, 2008, 05:39:38 AM
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Retaining the breath expand and contract the abdominal regions several times and then exhale. Inhale again through the same nostril and do as before.
Exhale through the nose or the mouth? And how safe is this for someone who doesn't "properly" practice yoga?


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If you have mastered the act of drawing in the anus
lol


Edit: Changed "Inhale" to "Exhale" in order to make conversation easier to understand.
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Rawiri on May 26, 2008, 06:28:59 AM
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Inhale through the nose or the mouth? And how safe is this for someone who doesn't "properly" practice yoga?

Does your mouth have a nostril? :P All breathing in that exercise is through the nose, one nostril specifically, either all the time through the left for a male, or all the time through the right for a female. That is a safe practice IMO for any person who doesn't go to excesses and is cautious...i.e. someone who squeezes their belly in and out too tightly or too much with a retained breath is an idiot who will probably cause damage to their lungs. The most important part is the moola-bandh ('drawing up the anus') with the Will. It is drawn to the different areas for different reasons, which a person can discern what he wants, or needs at any time, or may need in the future. Drawing to the solar plexus auguments general bodily health, vitality, willpower and such. Drawing to the brain promotes mental faculties like thinking, concentration, memory etc.

To the heart I am not sure, as I have never bothered myself with that and it is actually not as common a practice, normally only the solar plexus and brain are mentioned. Although I suppose one can raise it to all of the chakras if one wished (though normally above the lower two considering they will just be re-emptied into the sexual organs fairly quickly in all likelihood). I'd assume to the heart would lead to things such as becoming more loving in general, and a more encompassing consciousness though.
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Raitaro on May 26, 2008, 06:38:32 AM
Can energy be transmitted to multiple chakras over different times or would this "divide the effects" so much as to make them unnoticeable?
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Hech on May 26, 2008, 07:46:49 AM
excellent article prophecy. You really have a gift for writing about this subject.

Yes, yes he does.


I was just curious, what martial art do you practice, and which martial arts would you consider to be good as supplemental to magical studies?

This was answered in the thread of his other article, Magic as a Divine Science (http://forums.vsociety.net/topic/12373.0). Here is the quote:

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I was just wondering, which martial art do you find the most beneficial to aid in magical training?

Any martial art will help, because all martial arts develop an alignment of the body with the mind and allow for the cultivation of mental discipline.  If I had to guess which ones might help most towards that goal, probably traditional Kung Fu and Japanese Aikido. 

As a side note, to more specifically answer your question: I believe that he practices and teaches both Aikido and Karate. I cannot help you with your last question.
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Rawiri on May 26, 2008, 07:56:40 AM
Yes. The Ojas can be direct to multiple chakras at different time periods, depending on what you believe is needed most. Of course, if you were to draw purely to one area then you would get a much more powerful manifestation. But the effects, when it has been practiced for a small time, are practically noticeable immediately. Though it is best to use the will to transmute it to only one in a session.
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: WolfRaider on May 26, 2008, 01:33:02 PM
Very well, thank you for your answers.

You said that listening to music is detrimental as it can cause constant "playing" in the head after listening. I suppose one can freely listen to music after being more trained, having more disciplined thoughts and all that. But since I cannot say that I have trained my thoughts to that extent, I am unsure on what to do. I don't think I can just stop playing music and throw away all those years of studying and training. Should I work with music less or should I actually stop entirely?

I suppose that if I wake up at 4am I won't have any music playing in my inner ear...

On another note, I am going to make a japa mala by making 108 knots on a long string. I suppose it is the same, or is there a special purpose in using the beads?
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Hech on May 26, 2008, 01:51:05 PM
The beads hold intrinsic value, and they are beautiful to use devotionally. Certain beads are good for certain mantras. They can have rich histories and great importance. They hold individual purposes. For now, using knots is probably fine. If you feel led and romantically inclined out of bhakti, go ahead and buy some beads.

Cutting out music is an absolutely huge help. I know somebody who is somewhat addicted to music and listens to it all of the time. Cutting out music for him would help tremendously. Even for other people, lessening the amount of music that you hear can help a lot. I personally have now lost interest in most music. If you can, cut it down a bit. I still practice, play, and sometimes perform classical guitar with no problem.

May God Light your Path,
Namaste
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Kichara on May 26, 2008, 01:57:47 PM
You don't need beads, it is essentially just a tool. It just helps keep count.
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: YHSHV on May 26, 2008, 07:31:26 PM
Thank you for the help!!! :D

I will have to try these exercises!
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Raitaro on May 27, 2008, 06:42:48 AM
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Here's a little tip `Zephyr gave me if you don't have a mala. There are 12  points on your fingers you can use for counting. The first four are the knuckles, then you move up to the finger joint and then to the joint below the nails. You coun't all fingers on one hand excluding the thumb. Then you have 12.
 For 108 repititions you must chant 12 sets of 9. Thusly, start on the first knuckle of your left hand, that'll be your first set. Count along the points described on your right hand until you reach 9 (the bit below the nail on your first finger). Once you reach here start with the second knuckle on your left hand. Continue in this fashion until you've exhausted all these points.
 It takes a bit of getting used to but it helped me a great deal.
 

 To reiterate. Perfect way to keep count if you don't own prayer beads or anything similar.
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Wushi on May 29, 2008, 11:40:28 AM
Prophecy, I was just wondering about Namah Japa on Shiva,

The mantra is simple: "Om Namah Shivaya."  It means roughly "I surrender to Shiva."

The mantra is pronounced phonetically as either "nah-mah shee-vai-yah" or "nah-mah-hah shee-vai" depending on which dialect it is being spoken in.

Do you vibrate Om when doing the Japa or leave it out and just Namah Shivaya? And why exactly, wouldn't it be more efficient to use the full mantra?

Thanks alot
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Hech on May 29, 2008, 01:50:51 PM
The mantra comes in two forms: Namah Shivaya and Om Namah Shivaya. I chant the latter. It may have been reserved for renunciants to do so, but Sivananda says that it is alright for everybody. Prophecy meant to chant, "Om Namah Shivaya," and was simply assuming that you already knew how to chant the sacred monosyllable: AUM.
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Wushi on May 30, 2008, 06:19:29 AM
Thank you very much Hech.
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: YHSHV on May 30, 2008, 07:45:12 PM
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9. When you inhale three or four breaths as direction the emotions will be subjugated but now you must transmit the energy to the required region, do this by inhaling another breath and retaining it without expanding or contracting the abdomen, contract or draw in the anus, mentally ordering the energy to be transmitted to the required region. Exhale, and inhale another breath and contract the anus as before. If you have mastered the act of drawing in the anus, you will actually feel the etheric energy which animates the sex organs being drawn up.


When you do this part, is the nostril still closed?
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Rawiri on May 30, 2008, 11:41:02 PM
Yes.
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: YHSHV on May 31, 2008, 07:41:40 PM
Thank you :D
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Raitaro on June 08, 2008, 02:14:25 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qcCpuJ0vtI
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: no_one_2000 on June 09, 2008, 09:44:52 PM
Excellent article.

The exercise on transmuting sexual energies is also very interesting.  I have a few questions, however:

If you truly wish to transmute the sexual energies, then you can engage in frequent sarvangasana/sirshasana. These help, particularly if you will it to transmute into Ojas and travel up (down?) the spine at the same time. For any 'sudden' urges you get, I can think of no better method of transmutation that I know of than that provided by Charles Haanel in his co-authored book 'Amazing Secrets of the Yogis.' The performance of it is described thus:

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28. Here follows a Pranayama exercise for the Transmutation of the productive Energy. In order to effect a transmission of the reproductive energy either to the solar plexus or to the region of the heart and lungs or to the brain, when the sexual instinct is uuppermost, you should first close the right nostril flow, if you are male, or the left nostril flow if you are female. You may keep the required nostril closed with one of the fingers till you go through the exercise. Stand erect or sit erect with feet placed squarely on the floor and inhale a deep breath through the open nostril. Retaining the breath, expand and contract the abdominal regions several times, and then exhale. Inhale again through the same nostril and do as before.

29. When you inhale three or four breaths as direction the emotions will be subjugated but now you must transmit the energy to the required region, do this by inhaling another breath and retaining it without expanding or contracting the abdomen, contract or draw in the anus, mentally ordering the energy to be transmitted to the required region. Exhale, and inhale another breath and contract the anus as before. If you have mastered the act of drawing in the anus, you will actually feel the etheric energy which animates the sex organs being drawn up.
That is a safe practice IMO for any person who doesn't go to excesses and is cautious...i.e. someone who squeezes their belly in and out too tightly or too much with a retained breath is an idiot who will probably cause damage to their lungs.

Perhaps this is a stupid question, but how much is too much?  I have a feeling that this is one of those cases in which it would be obvious if the forced contractions were being overdone, but I'm curious, mostly because I'm not entirely sure what kind of damage this would even cause to your lungs in the first place.

Also, how many times a day should this be performed?  You cautioned against overdoing the intensity of each instance of the exercise, but how about the frequency?  Am I correct in assuming that an individual with a lesser developed Will would need to transmute the energy more often to achieve the same results, since (s)he would not be as effective at willing the energy to move upwards?

I guess I just thought of one more question:  What is the significance of the physical actions within the exercise?  What do they represent?
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Rawiri on June 10, 2008, 12:48:38 AM
You can do the first 'contracting abdomen' exercise about 10 times max per breath, start with 3 and see how that goes. Then 4 breaths or so of it. If it's too much you'll know, because you'll probably get a pain in the abdominal region.

Yes, you're correct that does who aren't used to the exercise, or who don't have their will directed well in that direction will initially need to do it more to get the energies transmuted fully. Good that you brought this up since it's something I overlooked. I do not recommend doing that exercise all too frequently, in fact, it is best to only do it when you feel the sexual urges coming on, or at a peak (such as say, when you have a raging boner)...or indeed anytime soon after assuming you didn't get rid of it in another way (i.e. masturbation or sex). As such, how much one should do really depends on the persons sex drive, some probably should only do it weekly...whereas someone like me with an er...rather high sex drive if utilizing it could end up being able to do it multiple times in a day on some occasions. For those with lower sex drives, I would say...don't do it more than weekly.

As to the physical actions, I am not entirely sure. The first one (squeezing abdominals) physically seems to prevent blood flow to the genitals. I am not sure how, but that's what I get from it. In yoga it is a form of a bandha, which is itself often meant to help raise sexual energies, and causes a uniting of two different energies, getting the sushumna nadi to flow (which is neutral as it were, opposed to flow through right or left nostril). In this case it would be desireable for the later. One blocks off the different nostril because of yogic theories on the breath, that the males sexual powers are in higher activity during solar (right nostril) flow and the females during lunar (left nostril) flow. By preventing the flow in the nostril, it is meant to weaken those powers and eventually cause the other nostril to flow. The contraction of the anus is mulabandha and causes normally downward flowing energies to rise upwards. In this case it is directed towards the sexual energies which want to escape through intercourse etc, and rising them up. The exercise is based mostly on yogic thoughts, of them all the only particularly physical thing I can ascribe is the first one seeming to prevent bloodflow. I never looked into it too much because...well it works. :P
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Watchtower on June 11, 2008, 04:29:04 AM
I know I love to nitpick about this stuff, but contracting the abdominals doesn't prevent blood flow to the genitals.  More likely it is either the breathing or the fact that you're focusing on something that isn't sexual.
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: no_one_2000 on June 11, 2008, 05:27:09 PM
Thanks for the informative reply. :)

I've been doing the exercise for roughly one week, approximately once per day, and only once I did experience slight discomfort.  Even though I can't be entirely sure that the discomfort was a direct product of the exercise or the frequency with which I practiced it, that was actually what prompted me to ask.  The reason I wanted to perform this exercise so often is because I viewed it as more of a preventive measure than a quick last-minute "fix."  What I mean is, I didn't want to wait until I was fully aroused to subdue my sexual energy because I wanted to avoid the influx of distracting thoughts that often precedes sexual excitement.  That's because, in my experience, it's a lot harder to calm myself down and get rid of my drive once I've allowed that train of thought to stick around for long enough.  Since I can somewhat predict when I'll experience those kind of temptations the most, my plan was to transmute the energy before, rather than after, those moments.

But since you recommend that I do it afterwards, I can try this instead.  My only concern is that transmuting my sexual energy will most likely be less appealing of an idea in the times when the exercise would be most appropriate. :P

I have a feeling that, after enough continuous success, the body would get used to not relieving sexual tension in the usual way, and the frequency with which the exercise is performed would gradually decrease--is this correct?
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Shadow_Dragon on June 23, 2008, 08:56:05 AM
What scripture should a Hermetic magician read? If you are referring to the Bible, which books?
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Elisabeth on June 28, 2008, 12:00:38 PM
You repeatedly call masturbation a sin, with this, do you mean masturbation in general or masturbation with wrong lust or thought?
And with sex, have i understood you right when I say you see the energy as wasted? Then what about the energy created? And what about the energy needed to supress such a powerful instinct, basic for our survival? In Mahatma Gandhis case, and I am sure in many others as well, it led to obsession instead of release. He even went as far as to sleep and bathe naked with young girls (e.g. his niese) to test himself and prove his "victory" over desire and lust. Quite ironic. In his case I would say celibacy was his downfall. Therefore, such a recommandation can hardly be proper or healthy to everyone? And on another note, it does not seem balanced in any way. It is not harmony. What about the concept of duality in this case? Can it not, in fact, be godly? A meeting between two polarities? An expression of creation on the material plane? The obvious positive gain it can have on a loving relationship must not either be forgotten.

Forgive me if it seems like I merely want to state a conflict, but I am honestly interested in your views on this if and when you have the time.
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Svatejasaa on June 28, 2008, 12:57:21 PM
Elisabeth: I will try to answer your questions to Prophecy here, as I have often asked him similar questions and know his response. I can almost give it verbatim.

You repeatedly call masturbation a sin, with this, do you mean masturbation in general or masturbation with wrong lust or thought?

Yes, all masturbation is a sin -- at least in the situations I can think of. Generally there is no purpose to it aside from pleasure. This is particularly damaging because meditation is supposed to cause the prana/vital energy to retreat towards the spine and away from the senses. When this completely happens, an effect called Pratyahara is induced. So when you directly act to satisfy your desires and please the senses, you are bringing energy to the senses instead of away. You end up pushing yourself back. Furthermore, in the center nadi, Sushamna, prana is channeled downards to the lower chakras to engage the lower desires. The magician, just as the yogi, intends for the prana to rise up Sushamna. In the case of men, the semen, wherein the greatest concentration of the vital force is, leaves the body; this leaves you with less energy for meditation and purifying yourself.



And with sex, have i understood you right when I say you see the energy as wasted? Then what about the energy created? And what about the energy needed to supress such a powerful instinct, basic for our survival?

Obviously, energy can be wasted if sex is lustful. See the above response; the situation is no different.

You are right, though, that energy can be created. Prophecy once said that a person's love for the other can bring in more energy. And, obviously, if you're having sex for procreation, everything is fine. A renunciant yogi does not do this because he uses that energy solely for the purpose of spiritual advancement; using it to create a child is therefore a "waste," but it is not something evil.

And what about the energy needed to supress such a powerful instinct, basic for our survival?

I'm impressed with your foresight and critical thinking. Yes, suppressing such an urge does drain the magician/yogi of energy if he does it wrong. Thus, Sivananda, in his books on Yoga, says that the aspirant must 1) never force his thoughts (it drains you of energy), 2) never force away sexual thoughts. Instead, the aspirant should detach himself from his mind and desires whenever he feels desire, and let them settle down. Or the aspirant may perform Japa. Personally, to calmly suppress a powerful instinct, I've found Japa, Pranayama, and thought detachment all to work effectively.

In his case I would say celibacy was his downfall.

I don't know about the truth of your statements about Gandhi, but I'll assume it's true for now. You bring up a good argument when you hint at repression of sexual desire. The magician and yogi, however, are able to transmute their sex drive after some more advanced training. Veos mentioned in a lecture that the initiate must initially repress his sex drive, but eventually he will advance enough to be able to transmute the sex drive into a spiritual drive. Pranayama is also especially good for this. Sivananda says that men who practice vigorous pranayama will never have wet dreams, because all of their semen will be used in sending the vital force up the spine.

Therefore, such a recommandation can hardly be proper or healthy to everyone? And on another note, it does not seem balanced in any way. It is not harmony. What about the concept of duality in this case? Can it not, in fact, be godly? A meeting between two polarities? An expression of creation on the material plane? The obvious positive gain it can have on a loving relationship must not either be forgotten.


Again, good observation. Abstinence is only healthy when the proper methods are used. You are right that sex can be godly, and a meeting between two polarities. It is especially Godly because it manifests what is called the Law of Three in magic, and fulfills the Trinity, which is the symbol of all true religions. I will not go further into this. Suffice it to say you are mimicking the creation of the Universe.

Prophecy once told me that sex, if not done out of sex, can actually help you connect more with your soul due to the lofty emotions evoked. But be honest with yourself: not many aspirants have the self control to have sex without lust (at least guys, anyway)?  When you're in a loving relationship, sex is fine for reasons you have brought up. Like you mention yourself, though: balance! Two orgasms a month is considered a maximum for males (as given by the Seven Hermetic Letters by Lomer, in case anyone was wondering), and I think it applies to females as well. You have to accumulate the vital force to use in awakening the kundali and whatnot, so you must be making a net gain of the vital force as you progress along; you can do this with 2 orgasms a month or so. Prophecy also told me that some of the greatest adepts that have lived in the past 100 years or so have had wives and children.

Veos has mentioned that the Vedas state that a householder can havae sex once a month for the sake of procreation, and still be considered a Brahmachari.

My words cannot completley replace Prophecy's, but I hope they have given you direction and saved both you and him time.

Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Raitaro on June 28, 2008, 01:07:42 PM
In sex love is a divine energy and even when not used for procreation it cannot be seen as a "sin". Love is what we, as people, are made for and is the most divine of things we can harness. In true sex with someone you love the potent "love energy" (for lack of a better term) more than makes up for what you lose in creative essence.
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Entity on June 29, 2008, 11:53:19 AM
Beautiful post Mindwarp, you said everything I wanted to say and more. If I could, I would like to mention a vital key to transmuting the lower energies.

I am not surprised you didn't mention this as many people do not practice it as they think it will not contribute much to their daily practice. However, I can say with confidence that asana is the number one way to cause a rise of the sexual energy, and also lead to a mind virtually free of desire for the lower passions. Practice Sirshasana and Sarvangasana diligently and you will find freedom from these desires.

Namaste
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Shinichi on July 06, 2008, 09:41:31 AM
I thought it may be worth mentioning, based on the topic of the last few posts (and from the Taoist teachings I have been studying recently), that "orgasm" and "ejaculation" (yes, I'm speaking from a male perspective--sorry, ladies) are two completely different things. And, it is ejaculation, not orgasm, that causes the vital energy to be lost during sex--or masturbation, for that matter.

According to the ancient Tao Masters--orgasm, whether achieved through sex or masturbation, without ejaculation will force the sexual energy produced to travel up the spine and into the brain, or circulate throughout the entire body (which can produce a full body orgasm, too), to give the individual even more vital energy then when he started and make him healthier and more radiant (this "sexual kung fu" developed as a TCM practice).

My current source for this information is the books by Mantak Chia (which you can find listed on his wikipedia page), for those who are wondering. And he also has a female version for this, which I haven't read yet (yes, I intend to o.O), for the ladies out there. I have found him to be fairly correct on all this so far, as I continue to read his work (and cross reference it with others that I'm more familiar with).

But, aside from all that, Prophecy's article was written for the absolute beginner, as I understand it--and following his advice first will no doubt allow you to progress faster then going through the months it takes to master your body enough to separate orgasm and ejaculation (in fact, I myself don't intend to begin fully practicing this until I progress a little further with my own beginners magic training). However, since nobody brought this up yet, I thought I would mention it for those of you who are advanced enough, or who otherwise may consider practicing this as well. ~_^



~:Shin:~
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Shadow_Dragon on July 06, 2008, 02:45:17 PM
There is a Taoist practice that actually encourages passionate sex with your lover almost all of the time. The thought is that yin and yang both balance each other out, so any loss of energy from orgasm will just transfer to the partner, and vice versa. So instead of wasting the energy, it just goes to your partner and you both are given renewed chi, according to a few sources.
And speaking of sex in Magic, I believe Aleister Crowley was an advocate for sexual magic, and I'm sure he wrote several books on the subject. Personally, I think sex is something that needs to be looked into more instead of just set aside and ignored.
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: TheAleph on July 06, 2008, 03:33:54 PM
I agree with Shinichi. According to Mantak Chia, if you've mastered separation between ejaculation and orgasm, you should be able to have sex without loss of semen (and thus of energy) and also move the sexual energy in a sort of microcosmic orbit to improve your health and chi flow. 

Sun Ssu-miao (also in Chia's book) said:
A man in his twenties should ejaculate once every four days.
A man in his thirties should ejaculate once every eight days.
A man in his fourties should ejaculate once every ten days.
A man in his fifties should ejaculate once every twenty days.
A man in his sixties shouldn't ejaculate.

I'm still not done reading tho  :P
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Shinichi on July 06, 2008, 03:57:21 PM
I should also say, while on the topic of "sex magic," that it is primarily lustful indulgence that is harmful to spiritual growth--and that, I believe, is what Prophecy is advising against (which I gathered from his support of "love"--and I agree, making love is way better then just having sex =p).



~:Shin:~
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Prophecy on July 17, 2008, 03:23:10 PM
Sex appears to be a major concern, and so I shall elaborate upon my point.

As I mention in some places and certainly imply in many others, these practices are meant as a starting point in your training.  They are foundational exercises meant solely to develop a foundation that will allow for later development in your respective paths.  Whether for magic, psionics, internal energy exercises, sex magic, shamanism, or simple daily life, it is hard to argue that these exercises would be anything other than of the greatest practical use in pursuing that end.  My suggestions in regard to life style and personal conduct certainly supplement the practicality of beginning any spiritual, or indeed metaphysical, path using the exercises provided herein.

That being said I believe that any person with an actual indepth knowledge of sex magic, of which I have particular knowledge of the Taoist internal sexual alchemy, will agree that someone trying to do it with little or no background in practical training is almost certain to fail.  The result is not sex magic, but simply sex itself.  In this instance "sex magic" is simply used as an excuse to engage in sexual intercourse often, and I would certainly never make any statements that would leave this possibility open.  Certainly one can not argue the point that using a supposed system of spiritual evolution as an excuse to have regular sex when that magic is not in fact being performed is detrimental to personal progress along the lines which this article concerns itself with.  Thus I do not even mention sex magic in an article containing practical advice and exercises for people trying to create a foundation in their spiritual pursuits because at their level they are still factually incapable of performing it.  Instead I recommend abstinence on account that personal mental energy is needed in greater quantities in the beginning, and a primary source for this mental energy is the resevoir of sexual energy at the base of the spine.  Sex magic, which teaches to replenish that energy during sex itself, can not yet be performed and so the point is mute. 
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: YHSHV on July 17, 2008, 03:50:43 PM
When you get offended or feel repulsed, or any such notion, that is when you should really check within and make sure your animal nature and your false "I" isn't speaking for you.

When you've hit a weak mark, exploit it, make it strong.

Perfect yourself in all ways!

Have trouble giving up sexual relations? With your mate or with your hand?  More so the reason to do it!

S/He who conquers the Self conquers All! :D

Much Love and Blessings to you all

Edit: Just read this quote and thought it was very fitting!
"The half-wise, recognizing the comparative unreality of the Universe, imagine that they may defy its Laws–
such are vain and presumptuous fools, and they are broken against the rocks and torn asunder by the elements
by reason of their folly. The truly wise, knowing the nature of the Universe, use Law against laws; the higher
against the lower; and by the Art of Alchemy transmute that which is undesirable into that which is worthy, and
thus triumph. Mastery consists not in abnormal dreams, visions and fantastic imaginings or living, but in using the
higher forces against the lower–escaping the pains of the lower planes by vibrating on the higher. Transmutation,
not presumptuous denial, is the weapon of the Master
.”
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Sigma on July 17, 2008, 07:05:08 PM

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I agree with Shinichi. According to Mantak Chia, if you've mastered separation between ejaculation and orgasm, you should be able to have sex without loss of semen (and thus of energy) and also move the sexual energy in a sort of microcosmic orbit to improve your health and chi flow.

Sun Ssu-miao (also in Chia's book) said:
A man in his twenties should ejaculate once every four days.
A man in his thirties should ejaculate once every eight days.
A man in his fourties should ejaculate once every ten days.
A man in his fifties should ejaculate once every twenty days.
A man in his sixties shouldn't ejaculate.

I'm still not done reading tho

I don't know of the sun ssu miao. I do know that the method is not of the following
1. xing jiao fa
2. ni fan fa
3. Jiao Dao Yin

Save yourself the reading of chia's work. he cannot perform these exercises. Each exercise is vital to what he tries to perform and believes if one doesn't ejaculate, one doesn't age. The argument is jing is transliterated into essence, but this definition notes that jing is merely that of the reproductive organs. This is actually false. Jing is all...it is the interstitial fluid that holds the body as one, it is also what binds atoms together, but it is even beyond these simple pretexts. mantak chia and healing tao has done much advertising in regarding his method and his system of longevity. However, by not ejaculating or holding it ruins the risk of damage your lower tan tien. The body, prior to any form of training, is not equipped for that. There are ways to perform what mantak chia can't do properly, in that being in the xing jiao gong, jiao dao yin and the ni fan fa. I want to stress that one should not follow the practice of mantak chia, because it will lead to immense issues. Don't perform the regime. There are thousands, if not millions that have suffered massive damage to their healing system.

To make this interesting allegory, I seem to recall in the imperial court, men would have to perform the test of drinking honey with their genitalia. And while the test isn't of drinking honey, the test is of xing jiao fa, or the pulling energy of the lower tan tien and recycling it throughout the body. That is the test. Only beyond this and other subsequent training, can one say they have truly done what mantak chia cannot. I know he cannot perform this. Trust me. He cannot do this because it is an outgrowth of training in nei gong and it shouldn't be the primary focus of nei gong, or for that matter, any school of energy.

Don't get me mistaken. What I am arguing is not of celibacy. it can lead to several psychological issues. But for the case of training, it would be a good idea to not have sex for 4 months. That's only my suggestion as well as not reading mantak chia's literature. Just be extremely careful and don't follow the paradigms of misinformed "masters" that are out to make a buck. And unfortunately, mantak chia is one in spades.

As far as practice of the woman is concerned, in the taoist school...well it is believed that the woman is in struggle with fulfilling the role of being man and woman at the same time. This training emphasizes ending the menstrual cycle, or severing the dragon's head. It is a bit of a farcry from the training of the man, but the paths converge when opposites are bound. So it doesn't necessarily mean that female training is dismissed, but the path is "slightly" different. In fact, my first teacher was a woman, she performed a lovely seminar of the lei shan dan. Just to give an example...of course.

Again wonderful insight prophecy I wanted to share my opinion of chia and his mis teachings of tao.
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: TheAleph on July 17, 2008, 08:14:07 PM
Prophecy: Thank you, that was a really good explanation. Everyone suggest different amounts of time for celibacy, I guess it's up to one to set his own limits and follow them. Like YHSHV said is also a training of the will and the self .


Sigma: Sun Ssu-miao wrote the Tan chin yao chuen ("Great Alchemy Secrets"). There's not much about him on the net though, I could only find his oath: http://www.phrm.umn.edu/phrm/oaths/chinesessumiao.html (http://www.phrm.umn.edu/phrm/oaths/chinesessumiao.html).

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However, by not ejaculating or holding it ruins the risk of damage your lower tan tien. The body, prior to any form of training, is not equipped for that.
Because of the accumulation of energy in that area? Could you elaborate more on this, please?


Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Sigma on July 18, 2008, 03:38:22 AM
holding ejaculation reverses flow of semen through the seminal vesicle to the ureter and so on causing pain discomfort and most notably stagnation tot he area that can impact one's training for several years.
I have no idea what individual thought that holding a region, or rather holding in ejaculation was a good idea. from a medical and taoist standpoint, it isn't a good idea. I think anytime one assumes to reverse the natural flow of the body without proper training can rule risk of injury and stagnation. In fact, there are dozens of cases of dementia from the results of the training mantak chia prescribes. So then, why is it heavily misconstrued?  My assumption is the argument that one loses jing in semen. That's absolutely false in part. Jing is not just semen and to make the blatant argument that jing is merely semen means there are several people that need to go back and read a lot of the taoist classics (in other words, learn chinese and read the classics in its initial language; this is an issue with many translations but that is a discussion held for another day). The three primary arguments to the west in regards to sexual practice and tao basically relegates from
1. One shouldn't lose jing
2. loss of jing means loss of power and aging
3. Jing cannot be recovered
Point one is in part correct, because jing shouldn't be lost. But we lose jing even when training in meditation and zhan zhuan (for example). Jing is lost in a lot of activity as it denotes that jing goes beyond the definition given to the west as "semen". Again, I can give an example
my father drank and smoked. But he had a healthy diet of fruits and vegetables (about 12-24 a day; hey its lovely when you have an acme juicer) and he didn't show his age until my older brother died. It shows an interesting relationship between the concept of jing and health. In part, it may not be delineated on aspects of "spirits" (in the case of this discussion alcohol and smoking) but it may be based on retention of essence (not just semen, while semen plays a role, it doesn't play the absolute role). It also notes that shock and loss, rather emotional instability leads one to lose jing; which is actually a very accurate statement. But the final point is a point of clarification
Jing cannot be recovered
That's false. There are methods to recovering jing. They lie in the ling re and xing jiao fa on a primary practical basis. However, for the "taoist" in its strictest form (I have said that I practice nei gong, and while I have a grand opportunity to learn much of tao, I do not consider myself taoist, but nei gong at this point) the ultimate goal for practice is deep and constant meditation. In fact, a really good idea is to meditate performing vipassana to reach the theta level to accumulate energy. From what I have noticed, anytime I have meditated to that point, energy sinks to the lower tan tien (which is albeit a remarkable thing, I would have to check with my master for validity of meditation in regards to orientation of how qi sinks from a methodological point of view). But this is my point of view. I think one needs to understand that they must follow a school and based on school, there are different methods for sexual release and cultivation.
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As far as the issue of masturbation is concerned, in the described school, masturbation is an activity that is best left to the waste side. Again one shouldn't be involved in sex for four months as a minimum. Understand that there is no issue with sex (the idea of ejaculation once a week for a man my age??? ridiculous!) between two partners (I have no idea how tao regards homosexuality) but there may be a psychological attachment with masturbation. Trust me when I say this, once you begin meditation, at least being mindful of breathing, the desire of masturbation actually ends. A funny anecdote is when I first began, I was literally afraid I couldn't gain an erection that's how long I went without having one (to include the non waking up one men usually have) but it doesn't necessarily mean you can't get erect. If all training is done properly you still can, but it means a lot less when you aren't in love. The name of this game, from at least a taoist standpoint (from what I gather)
1. pleasure
2. rejuvenation
3. immortality/sainthood
Its easy to argue that the first point is achieved (heck its also why it holds an addictive quality), but the other two beget further training. Please research the further training methods and do begin meditation. I don't sponsor the indo european school of metaphysics that have pervaded society for years, but offer the approach of nei gong, and some insight from what I have experienced. That said, it may wake up many people.
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I will have to find the Tan chin yao chuen. Which means research of an authentic copy. Maybe jane has a copy...
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: TheAleph on July 20, 2008, 11:56:03 AM
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I will have to find the Tan chin yao chuen. Which means research of an authentic copy. Maybe jane has a copy...
Here's another book from Sun Ssu-miao: "A Thousand Golden Remedies".

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Understand that there is no issue with sex [...] Please research the further training methods and do begin meditation
I'm not trying to imply we shouldn't detach from sex/masturbation or that all forms of celibacy were wrong, nor I am trying to defend Chia. Like I said I only read his book superficially and have not started on any of his training methods.
And I do meditate. I've been meditating daily since this year.

I may come off as a sex-maniac (which is true anyways  :HA!: ) but I think this is an interesting discussion to have, since there's so much stuff on this (a lot of it totally misleading). Thanks for your answers, I'll start researching more about Neigong and the schools.
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Shadow_Dragon on July 20, 2008, 04:08:38 PM
I think Prophecy made a pretty good point about it all. I can't believe we're still talking about it after like, four pages.  : P
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: PhoenixJCC on July 22, 2008, 03:17:50 PM
The article was very well written and has great advice.

However, I have a question about the article:

Prophecy wrote that while holding the breath during the pranayama exercise, one should think "I am God". I understand that the exercise is supposed to develop in the practitioner qualities of God, but the concept of thinking to yourself "I am God" strikes me as being blasphemous. Could someone expand on this concept a little and explain it?
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Kichara on July 22, 2008, 06:37:07 PM
I don't know specifically Prophecy's reason, but in hermetics(and yoga) everything is considered within God. So that means that you are god, your computer is god and everything else in existence is god. this is a waaay more complex subject than what I am describing. But I thought a quick answered would help tide you over until Prophecy comes on and answers.(Or someone answers in a way he sees as accurate)
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: TheAleph on July 22, 2008, 07:24:25 PM
I think thinking "I Am God" is about acquiring all his divine qualities, becoming one with Him. It's the same effect as in Namah Japa when you repeat the name numerous times.
I'm not Prophecy though, so let's wait for his answers  :P
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Hech on July 22, 2008, 08:55:45 PM
Prophecy would be much more proud if he didn't have to answer.

Always affirm Ahama Brahma Asmi ("I Am Brahman"). Your Soul is a Divine Spark, but it isn't wise to walk around all day thinking to yourself, "I am King, so I deserve this, this, and that." Anyways, the thing thinking that isn't God, it is the false ego. You're right, it is blasphemous for the false ego to think that it is God. However, this is done during Sadhana.

Therefore, affirm to yourself, "I am God," during pranayama in a concentrated state of mind to help better place your consciousness on the true self and to fill yourself with the divine qualities of God. As you see, Prophecy writes afterwards, "Focus on containing within yourself all the qualities of God as pure divinity." Affirm "I am God" and walk away with the humility to wash a man's feet, as did Jesus.
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Grimmjow on July 25, 2008, 08:35:26 PM
I have a small problem.

I don't really believe in any Gods. What would I need to change of these instructions(or myself) in order to have success in Magic Daily Practice?
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Kichara on July 25, 2008, 10:06:30 PM
do you have a good reason for not believing in any symbol that attempts to represent an unrepresentable concept? Or are you just trying to be unique and keep others thoughts from over influencing you by not believing in any Gods? Or even you have not taken a very wide look at the different Gods with and with out the religions that have been formed around them?

I am going to assume for now the most positive answer that you just have overlooked what huge array of gods there are out there. If you don't agree with aiming for union with Shiva or YHVH or Christ, then find one you are comfortable with and cn relate to, to quote Prophecy, "They are all the same, just with different cloths on."

if you have a different reason then please share on here or in PM, which every you feel more comfortable with.
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Grimmjow on July 25, 2008, 11:09:42 PM
Well, I guess you could say that I haven't looked at the wide array of possible deities out there, but I thought most of them were just stories to explain existence back when science could not...
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Hech on July 25, 2008, 11:17:53 PM
I think it was, "It's just God wearing different clothes." :P
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Rawiri on July 26, 2008, 02:40:23 PM
Grimmjow: Then can you believe in the ideas of omnipresence, omnipotence, omniscience and eternal? At least theoretically the ideas of such? If so then you can focus on those ideas.
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: TheAleph on July 26, 2008, 03:42:11 PM
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Well, I guess you could say that I haven't looked at the wide array of possible deities out there, but I thought most of them were just stories to explain existence back when science could not...

Can it now?  :wink:
If you want a more "abstract" approach to God, research on Taoism.

Namaste
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Grimmjow on July 26, 2008, 03:49:24 PM
Grimmjow: Then can you believe in the ideas of omnipresence, omnipotence, omniscience and eternal? At least theoretically the ideas of such? If so then you can focus on those ideas.

Yes. I can. Thanks for the advice.

And to TheAleph:

Science cannot fully explain existence, but I meant things like weather, stars, natural processes, etc. People thought gods were responsible, but we found that there are various chemical processes and physics to explain all of it, though such deities could be the ones who control such phenomenon, allowing it to exist the way it does. Example:

A rainy day. A scientist will say that it is caused by water evaporating, going into the atmosphere, and condensing until it is heavy enough to fall, AKA the Water Cycle. A believer in deities could say that the deity is responsible. Who is correct? Possibly both of them. True, there is a water cycle, but perhaps there is an underlying force, AKA a deity, or whatever that influences the water cycle happen as it does.

Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Kichara on July 28, 2008, 08:48:17 PM
I think of it as they are both saying the exact same thing.  Science likes to symbolize the process with names of energies and physics, while  religion symbolizes it more as a story with characters instead of some sort of equation. 


If you look at them both as symbols(because I am pretty sure the name "water cycle" wasn't found written in the sky).
Then religion and Science mesh alot more comfortably.
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Watchtower on July 29, 2008, 03:49:05 AM
Giving names to things you have observed so you have a way of referring to them isn't quite the same as personification of apparently impersonal and non-sentient processes. 

Grimmjow: Logically speaking, I believe the deity explanation violates occam's razor.
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Kichara on July 29, 2008, 08:38:54 AM
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Giving names to things you have observed so you have a way of referring to them isn't quite the same as personification of apparently impersonal and non-sentient processes.

How so?
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Grimmjow on July 29, 2008, 11:34:25 AM
Giving names to things you have observed so you have a way of referring to them isn't quite the same as personification of apparently impersonal and non-sentient processes. 

Grimmjow: Logically speaking, I believe the deity explanation violates occam's razor.

In a nutshell, Occam's Razor states that we should not use more entities(things, concepts, etc.) than required to explain anything, correct? If it's used as an argument against theism, which it is, isn't it also an argument against magick, psi, etc since those things are all unnecessary to explain the world around us?
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Watchtower on July 29, 2008, 12:20:06 PM
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How so?

The process of water evaporating, condensing, falling back down, then evaporating again is a cycle that water goes through.  Hence "Water Cycle."  This term adds no new concepts or properties to the observed process, it's purely a linguistic tool for ease and brevity of conversation.  "Deity X controls the rain and the rivers and lakes etc." implies that the process that water goes through is sentient and has a personality.  It's quite a different statement.  Using the water cycle model, we can explain why it rains, where the rain comes from, and why the rain never runs out solely by describing what happens to water in the environment, and we can show all this happening in miniature, artificial water systems.  The deity model would add things like the moods and whims of the deity in question, and there's a necessary belief that goes beyond the observed process.  The Water Cycle model doesn't require you to believe anything, you just have to watch.  How is that the same?  (Note: In this, I am not arguing against the Deity Model, simply against the notion that the two models in question say the same things or are comparable).

Grimmjow:  Depends on what phenomenon you are using magic/psi/etc. models to explain.  If you're using it to explain the water cycle, then yes, it violates occam's razor because we already know how the water cycle works and it doesn't require forces or processes that science isn't currently aware of or can't measure.  However if you're using it to explain things which modern science has yet to satisfactorily explain, such as precognition or remote viewing, there is room for additional entities, because the ones we currently have are insufficient for a satisfactory explanation.  That doesn't mean every metaphysical model out there is equally reasonable, but the door is open for metaphysical hypotheses.
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Grimmjow on July 29, 2008, 12:27:34 PM
Couldn't science just say that magick, psi, remote viewing, and all that are not possible and/or not real since they're not needed to describe the universe and how it works?
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Kichara on July 29, 2008, 12:28:48 PM
The moods and whims of the, lets say WC deity, could be other process related to the water cycle. Like if that deity was more sad than usual it could snow, or if he was particularly happy it could be a warm rain.  Along those lines.  I am not arguing either btw, just testing an idea. Which I thank you for debating and not arguing with me.
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Watchtower on July 29, 2008, 12:55:29 PM
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The moods and whims of the, lets say WC deity, could be other process related to the water cycle. Like if that deity was more sad than usual it could snow, or if he was particularly happy it could be a warm rain.  Along those lines.  I am not arguing either btw, just testing an idea. Which I thank you for debating and not arguing with me.

Yes you could say all that, however that's not what modern science says.  :)

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Couldn't science just say that magick, psi, remote viewing, and all that are not possible and/or not real since they're not needed to describe the universe and how it works?

If unexplained phenomenon are never observed to occur, yes (though they can't really say that they're not possible).  If they are observed to occur, then they need to be accounted for in order to describe the universe and how it works. 
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Shinichi on July 29, 2008, 07:09:00 PM
There are the Natural Principles (or "laws," which Science observes), and then there are the Deities who have authority over them (who Magicians observe and communicate with). Is this not True? Because from what I see, you are debating that "Modern Science" (which looks at things from a mostly Materialistic perspective, and is thus incomplete in my opinion) and "Magic" (which is a far older, Spiritual Science) can or can't be compared. In a debate like this, isn't it important to note that Modern Science is almost completely ignorant of the Spiritual Nature of the Universe, to which Magicians have known for thousands of years?

Also, I have a question of my own regarding Japa (or, more specifically, Vibrations)--can this be done Silently? I have read Veos' Article on the LBRP, and understand the importance of physically vibrating the names--but can the physical vibration be done in more of a whisper, instead of the "loud" vibrations that I have heard from most Magicians? I ask this because I live in a rather crowded (Christian) house, and I don't feel it would be wise to be too loud in my practices. :confused:



~:Shin:~
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Kichara on July 29, 2008, 07:17:02 PM
Yes, the best Japa is done internally, as in thinking the mantra over and over. It does not normally need to be Vibrated.  I actually do japa  almost constantly through out the day and if you can do this while still functioning but the main focus still on japa, it is a very equalizing and uplifting feeling.   

Here is a nice little book on Japa by Sri Swami Sivananda.
http://www.dlshq.org/teachings/japayoga.htm
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Hech on July 29, 2008, 08:38:50 PM
It's good to cycle the japa like this: One round loud, one round quiet, and one round silent. Repeat that three times followed by a final silent one, and you get a good method of performing ten malas. You can, of course, just keep going off with the silent from that point through natural repetition. The LBRP is another matter.
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Svatejasaa on July 29, 2008, 10:44:06 PM
In Japa, the mantra is not seen as having much power in itself. Rather, the mantra is seen as a means to focus the mind. When you are working in ritualistic settings, you are employing the power of the names, and thus you will vibrate them aloud.
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Watchtower on July 29, 2008, 11:17:15 PM
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There are the Natural Principles (or "laws," which Science observes), and then there are the Deities who have authority over them (who Magicians observe and communicate with). Is this not True?


Depends on who you ask.  We can leave it at that.

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Because from what I see, you are debating that "Modern Science" (which looks at things from a mostly Materialistic perspective, and is thus incomplete in my opinion) and "Magic" (which is a far older, Spiritual Science) can or can't be compared. In a debate like this, isn't it important to note that Modern Science is almost completely ignorant of the Spiritual Nature of the Universe, to which Magicians have known for thousands of years?

Not for the purposes of what we were talking about, which was the material world and the statements each model makes about it.  We're not arguing over which one is right (and we haven't even specified which metaphysical model we're using for comparison, we're using hypotheticals).  The fact that modern science doesn't recognize a "spiritual nature of the universe" is obvious from its statements about the material world, so it doesn't really need to be brought up.  Also keep in mind that while some individual scientists might think there is nothing beyond what we currently conceive of as "physical," or that there is nothing left for us to discover (which any decent scientist will tell you is a ludicrous idea), science itself doesn't reject the possibility of so-called "metaphysics" (which is originally a philosophical term, if I remember correctly).  Science is simply concerned with finding the best and most reliable way of explaining and understanding the world that we perceive around us.  It has found the idea of sentient, governing entities to be a superfluous one for the purposes of explaining most if not all currently observed phenomenon.  

Hopefully that explains my point clearly.  If you want to discuss this more, please either PM me or make a new thread so as not to clutter this thread any further.
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Dazza on October 29, 2008, 04:05:23 AM
Sorry to bump this topic if it is too old but I dont really feel my question needs a new thread.
I want to practice Asana, Pranayama, and thought control, currently I practice them all in that order. Is the order Ok?
Also, if I were to begin Japa, where would i place it?
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Entity on October 29, 2008, 06:25:14 AM
Sorry to bump this topic if it is too old but I dont really feel my question needs a new thread.
I want to practice Asana, Pranayama, and thought control, currently I practice them all in that order. Is the order Ok?
Also, if I were to begin Japa, where would i place it?

Don't worry about it, it is an article so it is never really too late to get a question in.

That order is fine. It depends on what you feel like. For example, if you are practicing early in the morning then you may want to do Asana last, as you work from the internal to the external. You can practice japa whenever you would like.
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: TheAleph on October 29, 2008, 04:29:34 PM
Veos gives some guidelines for Sadhana in his Yoga articles: http://forums.vsociety.net/topic/12925.0 (check under Some examples of Sadhana routines in Hatha Yoga).
Pranayama might help clearing your mind, making Thought Control easier. However, if you want to train TC with a "normal" flow of thoughts you should do it first.
Maybe you can try different orders until you find one that you like :D
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: aydinerro on January 21, 2009, 06:58:02 PM
Hey I know this thing's been dead for a while, but I was studying it and it said to avoid things of negative nature and stuff like that.
Wouldn't that include all forms of meat?
Most animals have awful lives, and are pounded full of negative energy before they're slaughtered (the ones that you buy in stores and such).
I would think that energy would stain their flesh since that was the shell in which their soul resided.
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Kichara on January 21, 2009, 07:44:13 PM
You can avoid meat, but MOST animals do not lead horrible lives.

Also, Articles are never Dead topics. They are always open for comments. You could comment on Ars Anima Gladius if you wanted to.
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: kobok on January 21, 2009, 10:09:38 PM
Most animals have awful lives, and are pounded full of negative energy before they're slaughtered (the ones that you buy in stores and such).

Exactly what kind of glorious life do you think a cornstalk leads before being sliced to bits and harvested?
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Tomega on January 22, 2009, 12:48:21 AM

1) From point of yoga, there is value or energetic degree of food you are eating. Especially in this order:
- plants,
- flash from animals that eat plants,
- flash from animals that eat meat.

This is because of "solar" energy that is ceased every time that is taken in differetn, lower - materialised format. Some even say that on first place is solar energy. But as I understand this is subject of "Solar" Yoga, so I do not know how true are statments of this "kind" of yoga.

2) If we take some animal, lets say chichen, and slother it so we can eat it, or at least buy chichen meat in store, which is same thing, because we have same kind of "loaded" meat. If we look chichen, during slother phase, it expereinced some shock, panic and fear. So it is automaticlly stored in its 3 bodys. Part of shock is accumulated in flash.
So at this point we could clean meat seeing that all negative energy is leaving flash and neutral or positive energy stays in it.

3) To say about cornstalk life  :biggrin: , see it in this manner. Doing some experiments, it is scientifically shown that plant can "recive" vibrations from outside world. If connect plant to some proper machine that measure how plant is reacting on different situations, it is showed that plant acts differentlly when in room is angered person or person in love. Also it is howen that if we put love when planting our plants, than it will be healthier, more in size and weight etc. Or opposite they will be smaller, weaker when puting negative vibrations etc. Also at this point we could speak of music. Scientists experimented when playing Mozart plants were really improved in growing. Opposite with country music, metal music etc.

4) All being said, to be short, clean your food energetically (and physically, offcourse  :wink: ), load it if it pleases you, eat it, thank God for it, and go on with your life.

All best,  :)
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Steve on January 22, 2009, 09:07:52 AM
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If we look chichen, during slother phase, it expereinced some shock, panic and fear. So it is automaticlly stored in its 3 bodys. Part of shock is accumulated in flash.
That's chemicals that are released at time of death. It's been noted for a long time that wild animals taste different than stock animals, because of different diets and lifestyle, which translates into what chemicals are more or less present in the animal during it's life, and how much adrenaline and other such chemicals get released "in a flash" into the body when it's killed.

However, to disway the idea from aydinerro that the negative energy of it's death remains accumulated in it's body, the meat from stock animals goes through a lot of processing, is handled by a lot of people, and passes a lot of places. By the time it reaches the grocer's shelves, it's probably pretty clean of the negative energy and would be filled up with the same random energy that everything else on the shelves would be. Not that such energy is particularily meaningful, as it's almost wholly undirected and can easily be cleaned or modified by simple practices like those found in the IIH when it talks about "conscious eating of food".

Life consumes life in order to continue living ^_^

~Steve
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: aydinerro on January 22, 2009, 02:16:04 PM
I don't know if you're allowed to post links on this site but here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iIOmidHavo
There's chickens.
I used that lady because I didn't want to use Peta.
That's just the main animals people eat. I mean stuff like walmart, fast food restaurants, etc.

I don't think that cornstalks go through anything of that sort.
Either way...they are both loaded with awful chemicals, and I'm sure organics would be much better for us spiritually and physically, but I can't imagine why anyone would abuse a cornstalk whereas loads of people abuse animals.
I actually know people who have worked in places like slaughter houses.

I love that life consumes life...but I just thought there was an enormous difference in that [the video I posted] and what it's like to hunt a wild animal and consume it.
The feeling of hunting is really primitive and exhilarating.
As for eating animals like the one above,
Personally, it's something I'm going to avoid rather it can be cleansed or not..I just like hearing other peoples' opinions.

And by the way I'm very glad I found this site...everyone is so brilliant, especially in contrast to the other forums I'm used to. =]
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: TheAleph on January 22, 2009, 02:33:31 PM
You could try buying from local (non-industrialized) farms:
http://www.localharvest.org/

I'm sure they treat animals way better than that.

Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: aydinerro on January 22, 2009, 02:47:56 PM
You could try buying from local (non-industrialized) farms:
http://www.localharvest.org/

I'm sure they treat animals way better than that.



Thank you very much Aleph, but I'm probably still not going to partake unless I kill it. =]
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: kobok on January 22, 2009, 04:36:58 PM
I don't think that cornstalks go through anything of that sort.

Anything like what?  You mean crowded conditions and massive killing on an industrial scale?  Watch this youtube video of a giant machine of death cutting through cruely over-crowded fields of corn, grinding the cornstalks to bits one after the other without compassion or concern.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m49nOtxkHfc

...  The difference?  For some reason you care about chickens but not about cornstalks.  I doubt this difference in concern has anything to do with karma, and instead, has more to do with you anthropomorphizing chickens, but not cornstalks.  Just a little food for thought.

(Of course I don't eat KFC, like your video was about, but this is because of the contents OTHER than chicken which are in their chicken products.)
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: aydinerro on January 22, 2009, 06:35:50 PM
To be honest I'm sure if you compared the effects that had on the plants to the effects physical attacks and lack of stimulation has on animals you'd notice that the plants take much less damage.
I have to eat one of the two to survive, plants or animals, and I truly think animals take more abuse than plants.

I don't like how you assume, because you don't know me and one of my strongest beliefs is that all living things are equal.
I think it's just as big a deal to kill a human being as it is to kill a flower.
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: DannyLeeMatthew on January 22, 2009, 07:32:45 PM
I hope this doesn't come of as rude but how do you put killing a flower in the same league as killing a human? What is in a flower that is equally important in a human? If I accidentally run over a child in a vehicle, do you consider that the same offense as stepping on an ant? Were you just exaggerating? I'm quite intrigued if you were serious.
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Kichara on January 22, 2009, 07:46:56 PM
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I think it's just as big a deal to kill a human being as it is to kill a flower.
   That sounds like a very painful way to live, how do you eat? Because if what you are saying is true, that means you admit you see yourself as on the same level as a daily Mass-Murderer.
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Tsumaru on January 22, 2009, 08:16:20 PM
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...  The difference?  For some reason you care about chickens but not about cornstalks.  I doubt this difference in concern has anything to do with karma, and instead, has more to do with you anthropomorphizing chickens, but not cornstalks.  Just a little food for thought.
Acknowleding that animals have consciousness and can feel pain but plants don't isn't anthropomorphisation - it's looking at reality. It's just whether or not you believe consciousness and pain marks an existence worth keeping.

Personally I love eating meat and wouldn't give it up. Vegetarianism isn't the answer for me. Instead, I try to pursue other pathways that promote the wellbeing of animals which are kept for food production. Better living conditions and humane, ideally painless, methods of slaughter.
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Dazza on January 22, 2009, 09:58:09 PM
As to the question it sounds like a really easy answer. If you don't want to eat meat then don't:)

If you want to know more about what Prophecy says about diet then I suggest you check out the article

"Magic as Divine science" on this site.
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Prophecy on January 23, 2009, 08:50:31 AM
In this article and "Magic as a Divine Science" I try to present a more scientific (magically speaking) rationale for cutting back on red meat in a diet, instead of simply using morals.  While morals are nice, they should not compel the aspiring student to ignore the spiritual facts underlying events. 

To answer your original question, there is still some negativity in the flesh of any animal simply because of the process involved in its slaughter.  However, those shocks of energy are considered external, having been triggered by something outside the being in question, and so their impact on the etheric composition of the flesh is nowhere near as powerful as the innate qualities which the animal itself possessed, and which found regular expression throughout its entire life.  People who would like to carry this spiritual principle a little further in its application to eating would do well to avoid fastfood meals, even those with chicken or fish, which for someone concerned about their health is a given anyways.  The meat sold at local or regional grocery stores in particular usually comes from animals who, until the time of their slaughter, lived comparatively natural lives on local, family-owned farms. 

As I have pointed out in other writings, another reason for the practice-intensive aspirant to use mostly fruit, vegetables, poultry, and fish, in his diet is because it does not divert the body's energy flow in the process of digestion as much as red meat does.  Thus, he will have more energy available for spiritual and mental concentration during his practices.  The aspirant who is accustomed to eating red meat will at first not feel a difference, or may even feel less physically energetic.  In a matter of weeks, however, this will change.  With any degree of introspection, the individual will see the benefits.  On an even more mundane level, "light" meals, especially those revolving around fruits and vegetables, will allow the aspirant to practice again within only an hour instead of the usually alotted three hours. 
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: aydinerro on January 23, 2009, 03:06:28 PM
I hope this doesn't come of as rude but how do you put killing a flower in the same league as killing a human? What is in a flower that is equally important in a human? If I accidentally run over a child in a vehicle, do you consider that the same offense as stepping on an ant? Were you just exaggerating? I'm quite intrigued if you were serious.

In a way, yes I did mean that.
I think that all living things are just that--- living things and that if we are to respect one then we should respect all. I think human beings have started thinking of themselves way too highly of themselves. I also believe that there are things that are meant to die more frequently than humans such as flowers and bugs and such, but murdering them on purpose and without a purpose is something I don't support.



Acknowleding that animals have consciousness and can feel pain but plants don't isn't anthropomorphisation - it's looking at reality. It's just whether or not you believe consciousness and pain marks an existence worth keeping.

Personally I love eating meat and wouldn't give it up. Vegetarianism isn't the answer for me. Instead, I try to pursue other pathways that promote the wellbeing of animals which are kept for food production. Better living conditions and humane, ideally painless, methods of slaughter.
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   That sounds like a very painful way to live, how do you eat? Because if what you are saying is true, that means you admit you see yourself as on the same level as a daily Mass-Murderer.
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Yes I do, but we were built to be mass-murderers I think, or little things like bugs and such wouldn't be so easy to kill on accident. Yes I don't eat meat and I avoid killing other things, but I was thinking of this idea more about people who are willing to devote their lives to their spiritual body.


As for you Prophecy, thank you very much for the intelligent response and information.
And thank all of you for replying. I know it may be weird dealing with someone who thinks all living things equal. =]
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Shadow_Dragon on January 23, 2009, 03:19:21 PM
Although I am certainly no authority on the subject, I was told that humans are in fact above all else. If you read Prophecy's "Self Mastery" article then it becomes evident that we are meant to be God's, not animals. The goal is ridding ourselves of our animal nature, and raise ourselves closer to God, becoming God.
So, in a way, we are equal to dogs and flowers. But the goal of humanity is to raise above the animal, and into the divine. Every human was once another animal or some such thing in their previous lives. When you are finally reborn as a human, it is a sign that your soul has matured enough to become one with the divine.
Am I right in saying all of this?
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: aydinerro on January 23, 2009, 03:55:51 PM
I don't know about that and I don't think I'll know until death, and then perhaps I still won't know.
What happens once one is divine?
Because if that's the end, then no I don't believe in that at all.
I don't think anything would ever end or be the same for eternity.
So animals that have strong auras and such are just animals closer to becoming human?
Hmm...I really like that theory.
That'd explain our lack of great physical bodies and our powerful minds.
Thank you for that..
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Shadow_Dragon on January 23, 2009, 04:01:47 PM
I'm quoting Entity here:

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Don't worry, I have the same problem, as does everybody, as nobody who has not entered into union with the Divine can know anything about how it actually is. All we can assume is that it is most definitively very good indeed.

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"Who could live, who could breathe, if that blissful Self dwelt not within the lotus of the heart? He it is that gives joy.
"Of what nature is this joy?
"Consider the lot of a young man, noble, well-read, intelligent, strong, healthy, with all the wealth of the world at his command. Assume that he is happy, and measure his joy as one unit.
"One hundred times that joy is one unit of the joy of Gandharvas. 43
"One hundred times the joy of Gandharvas is one unit of the joy of celestial Gandharvas.
"One hundred times the joy of celestial Gandharvas is one unit of the joy of the Pitris 44 in their paradise.
"One hundred times the joy of the Pitris in their paradise is one unit of the joy of the Devas. 45
"One hundred times the joy of the Devas is one unit of the joy of the karma Devas.
"One hundred times the joy of the karma Devas is one unit of the joy of the ruling Devas.
"One hundred times the joy of the ruling Devas is one unit of the joy of Indra. 46
"One hundred times the joy of Indra is one unit of the joy of Brihaspati. 47
"One hundred times the joy of Brihaspati is one unit of the joy of Prajapati. 48
"One hundred times the joy of Prajapati is one unit of the joy of Brahma: 49 but no less joy than Brahma has the seer to whom the Self has been revealed, and who is without craving." 50

43) Gandharvas and the other types of beings listed here are highly evolved astral beings. [Go back]
44) The souls of the departed, particularly one's ancestors. [Go back]
45) Very highly advanced astral beings with great powers, and therefore "gods." Sometimes called "demigods." [Go back]
46) Indra is king of the gods. [Go back]
47) Brihaspati is the guru of the gods. [Go back]
48) Prajapati is another name of Brahma, the creator of the three worlds of men, angels, and archangels-bhur, bhuwah, and swah. [Go back]
49) God Himself. [Go back]
50) Taittiriya Upanishad 2:8 [Go back]
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Tsumaru on January 23, 2009, 06:02:11 PM
That would depend on your belief system, SD. And I don't believe anyone here has the authority to say definitively the nature of reality in regards to reincarnation, god, and who or what is "above" anything else.
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: CyberDemon08 on January 23, 2009, 07:26:42 PM
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That would depend on your belief system, SD. And I don't believe anyone here has the authority to say definitively the nature of reality in regards to reincarnation, god, and who or what is "above" anything else.

I think that was being said in a general sense, trying to illustrate that rising above the physical and becoming 'divine' is not necessarily the end of evolution, that there are more and greater levels of evolution yet to go.
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Shadow_Dragon on January 24, 2009, 02:21:03 AM
When you practice Yoga, it's not as if you are leaving the Earth. I see it as truly being part of the universe, seeing the divine beauty in everything.
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: aydinerro on January 24, 2009, 08:34:41 AM
So can a higher state only be reached through meditation and such?
I was wondering if people like Martin Luther King, J.F.K, or Gandhi [although I'm not sure he didn't meditate] would advance in the divine scale.
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Saer on January 24, 2009, 08:53:51 AM
So can a higher state only be reached through meditation and such?
I was wondering if people like Martin Luther King, J.F.K, or Gandhi [although I'm not sure he didn't meditate] would advance in the divine scale.

I am uncertain of the first two. There is a picture of Yogananda teaching Kriya Yoga to Gandhi in his book, "The Autobiography of a Yogi." I also recall reading that he chanted a particular mantra to Lord Ram for quite some time.
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Tsumaru on January 24, 2009, 08:59:39 AM
I'm quite certain that despite his attempts to revolutionise to a certain degree Indian society, Ghandi was a devout Hindu.
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Shadow_Dragon on January 24, 2009, 01:44:30 PM
Surely, doing good things, freeing yourself from attachment and living a life of purity will advance you. But rather, these things should be your lifestyle anyway, while you practice Yoga and Magic.
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: YHSHV on February 07, 2009, 05:46:24 PM
As a side note, everyone is talking about Hindu philosophy on the subject... what of Jainists?  You know, Jainists sweep the ground in front of them as they walk to avoid stepping on any bugs out of respect for life! Truely believing and DOING no harm to others.  Do you sweep the ground in front of  you when you walk? :D  And on the idea of reincarnation.. who says you ahve to go up on the scale when you reincarnate? For all you know, that chicken you just merc'ed than ate could have been your mother in your past life!  :headwall:


and as a p.s.  Kobok, your humor really tickles my funny bone!  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Kichara on February 07, 2009, 06:29:54 PM
I don't think people say you MUST go up in reincarnation.
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: RandomRainbow on February 10, 2009, 09:57:09 AM
^agreed, but I think that the point of reincarnation is to give you a chance to learn some kind of lesson so that you *do* advance on some level even if it isn’t apparent at first glance. So yeah, maybe the chicken you ate was your mother lol that life was teaching your mother something, somehow. People barely know what their own journey is about most of the time, let alone what somebody else’s is about :P
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Violet on May 08, 2009, 06:35:30 AM
First, Prophecy, great article! It helped me a lot in creating a daily practice scheme.

However, I have some questions, (some are about this article, some are more general but I thought they would fit in here as well) and I hoped somebody could give me an answer:

1) Is it possible for the average human (like me), who didn't have any previos incarnations as a Yogi or a Magician (as far as they can tell) to achieve liberation from the 'cycle of birth and death' in this lifetime? And can you be certain you achieve this in this lifetime, instead of always having to wonder whether you are going to reach it in this lifetime or not? I believe that it is indeed to so-called 1 part grace of the Guru, 1 part grace of God, and 1 part practice, however, since I don't have a Guru, how can I be sure?
2) What practices are a MUST for someone who wants to achieve liberation in this lifetime, and what exercises would compliment his progress to make it go faster? (In other words, which exercises would you call 'optional') This is a question especially about Yoga, but I thought it could be asked here as well. (And no, it is not meant to know what exercises I can 'remove' from my practice scheme, just to know how to prioritize.)
3)What should I visualize when I am doing Japa (or another form of meditation) on Shiva? Just how he looks like, or should I visualize something greater/more?
4)How do you know you are progressing on the 'Spiritual Path', and how much time does it take before you will see the first signs of progress?

I am aware that it may seem like these questions come from someone who needs a 'shortcut' on the Spiritual Path. This is not true at all, I am just not completely sure about whether I am 'doing the right thing', so to say.

Thanks!
~Tempestum
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Svatejasaa on May 08, 2009, 05:51:14 PM
EDIT: updated post with some things I’ve learned since.

Tempestum:

I can answer a few of your questions from my own experience. The first question I cannot; know, however, that Sivananda is of the opinion that one can, and I have actually heard Prophecy suggest the same thing.

2.) There is no one definite practice that one must attain to achieve liberation in one life time. It depends on the person. A guru is necessary because he can see, through clairvoyance and such, what you need.

3.) You can contemplate Shiva with all of his traditional symbols (the trident, river Ganga coming rom his head, etc.) but focus especially on his divine qualities – immortality, omnipresence, , omnipotence, and omniscience. Try to surrender to Him.

4.) This is variable and depends on the person. Some people see no progress for 10 years and instantly become self-realized one day (Prophecy knows of a particular case of this) , but they are few and rare. Some see steady progress. Some attain nadi-shodhana in 3 months; some attain nadi-shodhana in 2 years, which is the 'average' time without a guru. Many fellow students I trained with seemed to attain it within 8 or so months, and I believe one did it in about a month. And I know many who have not attained nadi shodhana in over a year of rigorous practicing.

I know the stage you are going through very well. Know this: the beginning exercises are so simple that there is little chance you are doing them wrong, unless you try to make them complicated! You probably feel like you're doing something 'wrong' and that's the reason you're not seeing progress. This is completely illusion. Even if you were making an error, a slight error in visualization and such will not affect Sadhana notably. It is the ego's impatience and reluctance manifesting as doubt. You are making progress, my friend, but it is subtle and slow. The progress in the subtle aspects of your character, mind, and astral body are not apparent at first. One day, however, you will look upon yourself and see a person that is completely transformed! You may wonder, "Why should I practice more if I see no results? Doesn't that show the methods do not work?" This is a safeguard in the divine science; only those who are willing take the risk, whose deep passion for truth forces them to have faith in the initial exercises, will attain its summit.

Do not worry about if you had previous incarnations as a Yogi or Magician; they are in the past. Besides, some people are able to attain the heights in only a few lifetimes, whereas some take many lifetimes. Even if you have never practiced as a magician, there is still a chance that you could attain self realization, or even deification of the various bodies, in this life. In the words of Sivananda, "You will attain brahma-jnana in this very birth." Besides, self-realization, or indeed, even God-realization, is just the beginning of the path anyway.

Be patient and keep practicing. At the proper time, a guru will come to you. At the proper time, you will become self-realized. Do not worry too much about your rate of progress. Try to live in the moment, neither dwelling on the past or future, taking things as they come to you, and give strong focus to all you do.

Namaste.
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Hech on May 08, 2009, 08:52:14 PM
A great post.
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Tsumaru on May 08, 2009, 10:51:12 PM
I feel like answering from a Buddhist perspective.

Quote from: Tempestum
1) Is it possible for the average human (like me), who didn't have any previos incarnations as a Yogi or a Magician (as far as they can tell) to achieve liberation from the 'cycle of birth and death' in this lifetime? And can you be certain you achieve this in this lifetime, instead of always having to wonder whether you are going to reach it in this lifetime or not? I believe that it is indeed to so-called 1 part grace of the Guru, 1 part grace of God, and 1 part practice, however, since I don't have a Guru, how can I be sure?
Firstly, it depends on which particular branch you wish to follow. Vajrayana claims that liberation can be achieved in a single lifetime, and indeed in as little as three years. It defines itself ast the "fast path to enlightenment", in contrast to Mahayana and Theravada Buddhism which believe it MUST take multiple lifetimes.
As for any certainty in achieving it - the attachment and desire to achieve it will infinitely and inevitably ensure that you will not achieve it. To achieve liberation, you cannot want to achieve it.

Quote from: Tempestum
2) What practices are a MUST for someone who wants to achieve liberation in this lifetime, and what exercises would compliment his progress to make it go faster? (In other words, which exercises would you call 'optional')
I reiterate above that such attachment and desire will block your progress. In terms of practices... the Noble Eightfold Path is central to all branches of Buddhism, although the specific implementation varies.

Quote from: Tempestum
3)What should I visualize when I am doing Japa (or another form of meditation) on Shiva? Just how he looks like, or should I visualize something greater/more?
Not applicable for me to answer.

Quote from: Tempestum
4)How do you know you are progressing on the 'Spiritual Path', and how much time does it take before you will see the first signs of progress?
Attainment of the jhanas are a good indication of progress. Other than that, I suspect you would be able to tell. In terms of how long it takes, that would depend on you.
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Violet on May 10, 2009, 01:41:02 AM
Great posts Mindwarp and Tsumaru, you helped me a lot.
And thanks Mindwarp, you really gave me some strength to go on. :)

~Tempestum
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: VitaumHermético on June 17, 2010, 11:21:41 AM
sorry for late post...
Undeniable topic!
Im in doubt how I proceed if the respiration when Im doing japa
I inspire all air that I could and chant, then I stop it for inspire all again for proceed?
help me =) 
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Albatross on June 21, 2010, 07:55:22 AM
Yes, you do that. Inhale, chant, inhale, chant. You can also do japa mentally. I like to alternate between one round mental, one round verbal, as someone suggested to me when I asked exactly the same question as you did.
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: VitaumHermético on June 24, 2010, 08:15:27 AM
Yes, you do that. Inhale, chant, inhale, chant. You can also do japa mentally. I like to alternate between one round mental, one round verbal, as someone suggested to me when I asked exactly the same question as you did.
wow thanks for the explanation

so when I chant (im using a mantra directed to Jesus) I imagine all the inherent positive qualities of him come out of my mouth through singing and flowing into the environment as a mist, and when I breathe idealize it entering my body and dominating the weakness of my soul, and taking place.

wrong?
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: tlolaymen on July 11, 2010, 10:34:26 AM
Thanks a lot! :>
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: NewYorkNewYork on October 11, 2010, 09:29:15 PM
I know its a little bit late, but lovely article! :)
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Holy_Guardian_Angel on April 21, 2011, 12:56:47 PM
Why is masturbation considered a "Sin" in the first place?  What is so wrong with self love and pleasure to the body?  Not saying that we should be addicted to every whim, but why do you consider it so wrong and sinful?

On that note, why should an overly sexual person avoid JUST the company of the opposite sex?  What is the magician in question is homosexual?  What then?
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Asklepios on May 02, 2011, 04:24:36 AM
I wonder why Buddhist mantras are never mentioned. Can I use "om mani padme hum", for example?
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Wren on May 02, 2011, 02:23:27 PM
I wonder why Buddhist mantras are never mentioned. Can I use "om mani padme hum", for example?

Well, a wise man should be able to say, "Hey, I can use Hindu, Christian, or made up mantras; I can probably use Buddhist ones too."

:wink:
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Asklepios on May 02, 2011, 03:27:11 PM
Thanks. I was just thinking that Hindu mantras have supremacy over Buddhist mantras, because Prophecy and Veos never gave one as an example.
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Wren on May 03, 2011, 05:04:15 PM
Hindu mantras might actually be superior depending on the philosophical orientation of the school of Buddhism. If you want to reap "good karma" from saying mantras, but your mantra is supposed to destroy all karma, then, well, you are using a saw to do a hammer's job. There is Magic and there is Buddhism, and there is Buddhist magic. Make sense? Then again, there isn't a Hinduism. There's bunches and bunches of hinduisms. Just pick the tool that is right for the job and don't worry about the inherent superiority of a given system. Superiority of a tool is situationally relative in working magic. Sure, you can employ more specialized tools, or tools that are merely created with a greater quality, or increase the amount of tools you use, but everything still boils down to learning pick the right tool for a given job and becoming skilled at using a given tool set.

and @Bubba, humorously,http://xkcd.com/610/ (http://xkcd.com/610/) :mad:
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Wren on May 03, 2011, 06:14:18 PM
The point of the mantra is going to vary depending on the mantra.  :wink: Sure it focuses the mind and/or programs it, but to what end? What does the mind focus on? What pattern does it adopt? What does the mantra Do? Depends on the mantra. You wouldn't use "DIE!" as a healing mantra, now would you? (Of course, going back to my point about becoming familiar with your tools, you could use "DIE!" to attack disease and so heal, but that's playing fast and loose.) In most cases, the recitation of mantras is tied directly into a larger meta-belief, and so by supporting the expression, you empower the root. If you don't want to empower the root, then ya shouldn't water the plant. Also, if a particular mantra is associated with a certain spirit, its recitation is a form of sacrifice, which can bring in a whole host of big bad ghost metaphysics.  :P
In other words, I think "The point of a mantra is," should be "The action of a mantra flows from but is not limited to".
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Asklepios on May 04, 2011, 11:02:46 AM
Thank you for your insights.
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Dancing_Crow on May 04, 2011, 11:27:14 AM
A meaning of "mantra" is "mind-tool".

A goal of mantra recitation is to place these mind-tools in the "space between" thought. The place of no-mind.
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: the black elf on May 04, 2011, 11:35:31 AM
perfect DC!

never see yourself as the 3 party for full effect,just be with the mantra for full smooth effect & delivery.
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Shadow_Dragon on July 10, 2011, 11:47:51 AM
Why is masturbation considered a "Sin" in the first place?  What is so wrong with self love and pleasure to the body?  Not saying that we should be addicted to every whim, but why do you consider it so wrong and sinful?

On that note, why should an overly sexual person avoid JUST the company of the opposite sex?  What is the magician in question is homosexual?  What then?

I'm not an expert but I've asked this question myself before. First, understand that the concept of "Sin" in the art of transcendence is different from the christian concept. Sin in the christian sense is an evil committed against God, whether it be defiance of some sort or just breaking one of His many laws. In Theurgy, which is essentially what this article is aiming for, the art of transcending the physical plane and becoming one with "The All", Sin is really not a word that should be used but if it must, I would define it as "slowing down the progress of transcendence and reverting back to the physical". With this in mind, most hardcore transcendental magicians and Yogi's refuse to take in any pleasures of the physical body, believing the pleasure of Spirit to be much greater. If one indulges in earthly pleasures, one will not transcend as high or as fast as one who abstains. This however, doesn't mean you can't enjoy what the Earth has to offer, only that you must first obtain a high level of Self Mastery before you should indulge in the Earthly- the reason for this should be obvious. If you can't control the desires of your body, than how can you rise above that which is physical?
However, with all the above said, this simply Theurgy and in no way has to be the only, end all path to eternal peace. If it doesn't work for you, then it doesn't work for you. Perhaps you don't wish to transcend in the first place and only wish to see the divine in all of the universe, embracing the physical and working in harmony with it. So be it, your path is your own. But it can't be denied that self mastery over the body is essential to any magical workings in any system. When you can control your urges of sex, your will is more powerful in the mind of the universe and as a result your magic will have far reaching effects.
I hope this cleared some stuff up.
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Akenu on July 11, 2011, 02:26:47 AM
Masturbation is not a sin unless you do it in bad way :D.
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Jesse9209 on July 11, 2011, 02:52:05 AM
In Hermetics masturbation is looked on negatively because it takes away the spiritual energies you need for the kundalini energy to rise up the spine. So it is seen as a sin because its wasting precious energy which is used to reach gnosis.
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Akenu on July 11, 2011, 02:53:55 AM
I remember they did eat it to get the energy back...

Bigger problem with masturbation is when you think on someone or something you should not or you simply know that stupid doctrine about losing energy (guess what, you don't lose energy if you masturbate and you don't know it, it's another Magickal infection)
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Alastan on January 19, 2012, 11:11:48 PM
It seems to me that Japa practice is directly comparable to the concentration practices of psi practioners, save your not trying to move anything.

Is this correct?
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Iatros on January 21, 2012, 01:45:21 PM
It is comparable in the effect of silencing the mind and directing it in a certain direction, but that direction and the motivation behind the silencing are wholly different - in psi the aim is to affect, whereas in japa the aim is to be affected. Depending on how you were thinking of the two being "directly comparable," this could either confirm or oppose your statement.
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: ArcaTuthus on January 27, 2012, 09:04:27 PM
@ Bubba
I believe the energy being stored up is used to raise the "serpent" up to the chambers along the spine, so that's what direction the energy is going. I have been told that after you awaken the Sophic Fire, or Kundalini energy, and bring it up out of the base of the spine, you can worry less about limiting your sexual release. There is a difference between releasing while having intercourse with someone you love and release purely out of self gratification as well, so that kind of speaks to your ideas about intent.
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Jesse9209 on January 28, 2012, 09:01:46 AM
The energy is stored to help raise and awaken the kundalini(two separate events), even once its awakened any energy released won't be used for spiritual evolution. This is due to a reduction in the total vitality of the body with sexual release which is necessary for rising the kundalini. As the kundalini rises the attachment to physical pleasure is reduced so it won't cause as many negative side effects on a person seeking liberation. However there will be less vitality which will slow down progress a bit. Balance is important here.

After a certain point it seems that the side effects are greatly reduced from not releasing the sexual energy. For me this was a more gradual process over the course of 7 months or so where my mind was drawn more inwards in meditation and my mind detached much more from sexual desire, from what I can tell that was likely the kundalini rising from the base chakra to the sexual region. At the same time it could be a result from increasing my meditations and thus the amount of energy my body can handle the increased energy.

Just thought i'd share some of my recent experiences in the matter.
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Henry on August 23, 2012, 08:23:35 PM
Should we do this separately or in conjunction with Daily Magic Practices I?
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Akenu on August 24, 2012, 02:22:08 AM
Should we do this separately or in conjunction with Daily Magic Practices I?

Maybe you could be interested in this article:
Setting up your daily practices http://forums.vsociety.net/index.php/topic,21004.0.html (http://forums.vsociety.net/index.php/topic,21004.0.html)
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Henry on August 24, 2012, 10:17:04 AM
Thanks man. Though I do have another question. Should one start their chosen system of magic before, or after the start of these practices?
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Akenu on August 24, 2012, 01:16:36 PM
Thanks man. Though I do have another question. Should one start their chosen system of magic before, or after the start of these practices?

That's good question. It's hard to do so before as by starting your magickal practices you automatically also start your path :). These practices are enough general to suit your needs in any system you choose so there is not really any problem to do so before deciding which path is the best one for you.
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Henry on August 24, 2012, 01:52:01 PM
I've read in Prophecy's "The First Steps", that it would benefit you if one started in elemental magic. Can I start in more than one type of magic?
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Henry on August 25, 2012, 08:48:19 PM
How should the mantra japa and namah japa be said? Pronouncing it correctly is one, I know. But Should it be sung, or just flat out chanted?
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Akenu on August 26, 2012, 02:25:15 PM
How should the mantra japa and namah japa be said? Pronouncing it correctly is one, I know. But Should it be sung, or just flat out chanted?

It depends what suits you. Try singing, try vibrating, try silenced mantra (half-voice repetition). Try each day one and write down your results.
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Dragoon2 on November 29, 2012, 08:38:29 AM

- Do not be overly sexual.  Sexual activity twice a month is considered a safe maximum that allows spiritual progress to go mostly unhampered, presuming it is performed as an expression of love.  Masturbation is strictly forbidden for someone who wants real success.  Celibacy is always the most effective choice when it is realistic.
- If you are a particularly sexual-minded person, then avoid the company of the opposite sex.


You know, this could be difficult for some people my age (meaning 18. Young.)
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Akenu on November 29, 2012, 09:47:07 AM

- Do not be overly sexual.  Sexual activity twice a month is considered a safe maximum that allows spiritual progress to go mostly unhampered, presuming it is performed as an expression of love.  Masturbation is strictly forbidden for someone who wants real success.  Celibacy is always the most effective choice when it is realistic.
- If you are a particularly sexual-minded person, then avoid the company of the opposite sex.


You know, this could be difficult for some people my age (meaning 18. Young.)

It could actually be difficult for anyone older than 15 years. Being in relationship and having sex twice a month is a good way to get your partner cheating on you, btw.

Dragoon, if you want to make some sense out of your research, I would avoid Prophecy's articles for now, at first you have to develop a special learning faculty which will filter ANY magick related papers into this:
*BLAH BLAH BLAH*, *TAKE WITH GRAIN OF SALT*, *BLAH, BLAH*, GOOD INFORMATION, *BLAH*.
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Dragoon2 on November 29, 2012, 10:12:44 AM
O.K.



...


Alright, I'll just be quite honest with you. You just totally lost me there... :confused:
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Akenu on November 30, 2012, 07:16:25 AM
Nice and simple, learn to divide information you get into following categories:
- great information
- not so great, but with a couple of tweaks I can get something out of it
- useless (either because of traditional or functional aspects).

If you want to study something more ready for you, I can only recommend to take a look at the Theories, Articles and Philosophy section, there are a couple of articles written by me.
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Akenu on December 03, 2012, 01:58:17 AM
Actually Prophecy's stuff is a bit misleading. I don't say it is wrong, just not totally correct...
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Akenu on December 03, 2012, 01:37:24 PM
Yup, that's one of the problems.

Another could be in the gayatri mantra, which is commonly written as:
Om, bhur buwah suwahah, (om) tatsavitur varyenyam. Bhargo dewasyah dimahih.
Diyoh yoh nah prachodayateh.

And translated as:
Om, we meditate on the infinite being that created this universe, may He enlighten our minds.

But we cannot forget about sanskrt origin of the mantra which makes it hard to rewrite into latin alphabet and also there are multiple possible translations, so Prophecy's version isn't incorrect, it is just incomplete. "Om", which Prophecy translates as "God" also has multiple meanings and quite frankly, "God" is rather western translation, originally was Om viewed as a divine syllable, vibrating through all the matter and higher forms.

And the list could go on :)
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Akenu on December 05, 2012, 02:08:50 AM
It's not about smartness, opposite might be truth. I guess I caused some mental retardation to myself by reading too much Crowley :D
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Dragoon2 on May 21, 2013, 05:59:58 AM
?

Whats going on here? I am so confused right now...

Could somebody translate this post for me?
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Koujiryuu on May 21, 2013, 07:32:20 AM
Dragoon2: Do not reply to spambots.
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Dragoon2 on May 22, 2013, 06:18:30 AM
whats a spambot?  :confused:

 :redface:

I had no idea. Sorry.  :headwall:
Title: Re: Daily Magic Practices II
Post by: Asklepios on January 19, 2014, 04:10:05 AM
I would trust Prophecy. He is humble and hard on himself. Just as Bardon's description of a magician.