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Title: nephilim
Post by: zeon on March 10, 2008, 03:28:57 PM
alright people, i have notced the enlonged skull on nephilim (now i dont know if you guys are into this stuff but yea), and i was wondering if because their enlonged skull they would of had stronger or even impossible psychic abilities?
Title: Re: nephilim
Post by: LaVelle on March 10, 2008, 03:33:30 PM
I just going to guess, because of them having a large skull, you think that their brain may be bigger and with that enchancing their psychic ability, honesty, I don't know. Maybe.
Title: Re: nephilim
Post by: MumtazG38 on March 10, 2008, 04:11:53 PM
well, if your just basing it on the size of the scull....I highly doubt it seeing as psychic ability comes from something other than the cranium as far as I know. The size or capacity of the brain really doesn't have all that much to do with psi and such. Although, it can help to be generally smarter or just have more knowledge than average...a bigger IQ never hurt anyone. But based solely on the size of a scull....I wouldn't think so.

Actually.....I think I read somewhere that cave men had much larger sized sculls than ours.....but that doesn't make them any smarter or anymore capable than us to perform psionic acts. After all, they were cave men... :rolleyes:
Title: Re: nephilim
Post by: Orthas on March 10, 2008, 05:03:50 PM
If brain size affected psionic acts then men would be better at magic than women, since men have physically larger brains on average.
Title: Re: nephilim
Post by: LaVelle on March 10, 2008, 05:14:29 PM
If brain size affected psionic acts then men would be better at magic than women, since men have physically larger brains on average.
Please, dont start none, and it wont be none.
Title: Re: nephilim
Post by: Orthas on March 10, 2008, 05:24:20 PM
I really don't understand what your comment means Lavelle, care the expand on it?
Title: Re: nephilim
Post by: zpo on March 10, 2008, 05:43:12 PM
If brain size affected psionic acts then men would be better at magic than women, since men have physically larger brains on average.

True from what I learned in school.  But you need to add that the number of neurons are the same.  Men have more blood vessels in the brain to help cool it during intense bursts of physical activity, which is why its larger.  Same reason men have larger lungs, to recover from intense bursts of activity.  Men have more gray matter, women have more white matter, women survive cold longer, men are more comfortable in a wider range of temps, and tons of other stuff.  Men and women are different period.  Not the same as in equal.
Title: Re: nephilim
Post by: LaVelle on March 10, 2008, 05:45:34 PM
I really don't understand what your comment means Lavelle, care the expand on it?
I'm just saying that saying male's brains are bigger than female's brains, is kinda like starting an argument with boys and girls. I'm just saying if you don't start anything, than there wont be anything.
Title: Re: nephilim
Post by: Redefine on March 10, 2008, 06:06:16 PM
people get mixed up between equal, as in dignity and rights. and equal, as in the same, and capable of the same things.

men and women are equal in dignity and rights, but obvious physiological differences mean they are capable of different things...period
Title: Re: nephilim
Post by: Orthas on March 10, 2008, 08:01:11 PM
I was never actually intending to imply anything from the comment, it was merely an observation.  I have not seen a study into the differences in magical ability between men and women, but if there is a distinction in terms of the strength of the effect, it is clearly not noticeable on every day levels.  The point of the comment was to give an example where brain size and physic ability are not noticeably linked, possibly not at all, to show Zeon that a larger brain and physic ability do not go hand in hand.

It is possible that there is a gender difference in magical technique, again something I have not seen a study into.  However I would expect any difference to arise from the psychological and not physical differences in the minds of men and women.   It is also reasonably possible that there may not be any differences in magical practice between gender, but I would expect some arising from the different ways in which men and women remember things [1][2].  Assuming that there is a difference in the style of magical practice, I would point out that neither practice form would be 'better' over all, but rather one style would be more suitable than the other depending on the gender of the practitioner.

I have no personal opinion that either men or women are superior, merely that they are different.  Without proof either way in the field of magic, I cannot say that there is no difference in ability, but I think that until an example is shown to the contrary we should assume that men and women are equals in this field.

[1] ~ Scott. Moffata, Hampsona and Maria Hatzipantelisa 1999 Sex Differences and Correlation With Psychometric Measures of Spatial Ability in Humans
[2] ~ Galea, L.A.M. and Kimura, D., 1993. Sex differences in route-learning. Personality and Individual Differences 14, pp. 5365
Title: Re: nephilim
Post by: XIII on March 10, 2008, 08:05:26 PM
No. Larger skull != better psychic abilities. Bigger brain != better psychic abilities.
And nephilim = don't exist.
Title: Re: nephilim
Post by: MumtazG38 on March 10, 2008, 08:57:10 PM
okay people....like Duda said.....best to put a stop to this thing all together before it gets out of hand. These things usually lead to those pointless 18-19 page topics about absolutely nothing that everyone ends up wondering (wtf) about.

For example:
Joe: Men have larger brains then women.
Jane: I agree Joe, mens' brains do seem somewhat larger than womens' brains. But I insist that you not include the empty air filling it up as actual mass while carrying out your measurements.
Jenny: Yes Jane. IMO you are absolutely correct. Obviously only a empty-headed, insensitive, sexist would make such an overwhelmingly idiotic statement.
Jack: Hey, hey now ladies, lets not gang up on the poor bloke. He was only stating a scientifically proven fact. I'm sure he certainly did not mean it as any sort of a sexist statement. He didn't say anything about how having a larger brain makes men smarter than women, now did he.
Jenny: Yes but you clearly just did. Hey look Jane, it's Joe the prosimian and his anthropoid friend Jack to the rescue. Isn't that the cutest thing you ever did see? Two pathetic air heads here to save the day for all the poor sexists in the world.
Jane: Oh yes Jenny, it is wonderful isn't it? Of course it most likely did take the brain power of both of them to form the actual words in each sentence. It is nice to see how even insensitive pigs can work together in such ways.
Joe: Listen ladies, I had no intention of sparking the feminist rally fire here. I was only stating a simple fact we all have learned about in school. It had nothing to do with saying anyone is any smarter than anyone else.
Jared: Okay now ladies, lets not let this get out of hand here. It would just be better to drop this topic right here and now and move on with our lives, please.
Jane: Oh look Jenny, they're all ganging up on us now. He even went as far as to threaten my life in that very last sentence. That does it Jen, I think this situation has gotten out of hand, we need to call for backups.
Jenny: Yes Jane, I have called all of my girlfriends...I feel it would be appropriate if you did the same.
Jane: Yes.
Jared: Woah, Jane...I did not threaten-*gets cut off by a mob of angry pms'ing feminists screaming loudly and incoherently*
Mob: SEXISTS-PIGS-DIRT-SCUM-MUST ALL BURN-MUST ALL DIE-KILL THEM-KILL THEM ALL-KILL THE PATHETIC NEANDERTHALS-MUST KILL SEXIST BEASTS-WILL BURN ALIVE-DON'T DESERVE TO LIVE-WILL KILL IN THEIR SLEEP-MUST KILL EMPTY HEADED IGNORANT WOMEN BEATERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No_one_in_particular: *silence*
Jane: That's 3 more for the collection.
Jenny: Now now Jane, you mustn't be so cruel. The last one is mine and you know it!
Mob: *screaming loudly and incoherently from a distance*

If you have gotten anything at all from the above dramatization, I suggest we stop this in it's tracks before it gets anymore serious. Thank you.
Title: Re: nephilim
Post by: Orthas on March 10, 2008, 09:16:18 PM
Mumtaz I believe you will see that the post I made was to nothing to do with one gender being superior to the other, in-fact it was a way of showing with a clear example that magic and brain size are not linked.  I dislike the fact that some people want to discredit my example based on the assumption that it 'could' spark an irrelevant debate, one should not stray from something from fear of the ignorant.

If the thread is indeed derailed then a mod will put it back on course, but I think the last two posts should show that a) XIII was talking in topic and b) I removed any suggestion of gender superiority in my position.

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I have no personal opinion that either men or women are superior, merely that they are different.

Title: Re: nephilim
Post by: MumtazG38 on March 10, 2008, 09:39:40 PM
Orthas, you have nothing to worry about as I didn't mean the above post for you. It was simply directed only generally. No names, no pointing fingers. I do not mean to offend anyone with the above post, only to remind everyone the possible consequences in a moderately comedic way. I will say this again for anyone who may take the post a bit personally in the future, me-no-hurt-you, you-no-bad-guy. :D

Again, sorry to have offended anyone. :)
Title: Re: nephilim
Post by: solstice on March 11, 2008, 03:37:37 AM
Zoen, the Nephelim were a group of angels, out of the Book of Enoch, whom were cast out of Heaven.  Unless you somehow found a fossil of their bodies, then I dont see how you can comment on skill sizes.

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And nephilim = don't exist.
Arent you one of the Hermetics people?  If so, then you are a total hypocrite for saying that.
Title: Re: nephilim
Post by: Steve on March 11, 2008, 07:09:23 AM
Actually, the Nephilim were a group of beings that were born as a result of angels having sex with human women. And it is mentioned in the bible, as well as extrabiblical sources http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nephilim

I've not heard any proof whatsoever of their existence, so could the thread-starter please tell us where he heard about this "nephilim skull" from?

~Steve
Title: Re: nephilim
Post by: solstice on March 11, 2008, 11:09:38 AM
Then, who were the ones cast out, or were they the children of the ones cast out?
Title: Re: nephilim
Post by: Oriens Lvx Lucis on March 11, 2008, 12:39:12 PM
No. Larger skull != better psychic abilities. Bigger brain != better psychic abilities.
And nephilim = don't exist.

Ha...the day when a teacher of Veritas claims that a member of the hierarchy of angels doesn't exist.

Perhaps you understand what an angel is, XIII, perhaps you do not.  Either way, to make a definitive statement such as that is rather presumptuous without evidence.

Of course I will say they exist, but I suppose beforehand that this is quite inconsequential as many here, maybe even most will not believe the statement, just as others do not believe XIII's statement.  Ah...converse relationship, both resulting in a proposed fallacy on either end.
Title: Re: nephilim
Post by: Steve on March 11, 2008, 05:14:38 PM
Solstice: The Nephilim were the children of the angels who were not kicked out of heaven, because such relationships happened before any angels were kicked out. In the book of Enoch it specifies that such relationships was one of the many reasons that some angels were tossed out, though I do not recall off the top of my head if the bible specifies that as well.

Oriens: XIII is quite right when he says the Nephilim = don't exist. The Nephilim perished in the flood with the rest of (the most of) mankind. Perhaps you are thinking of a different "order of angels".

~Steve
Title: Re: nephilim
Post by: XIII on March 11, 2008, 06:23:58 PM
Oriens: Angels do not have skulls.
Title: Re: nephilim
Post by: Arpspasm on March 11, 2008, 09:33:59 PM
"The story of the Nephilim is chronicled more fully in the Book of Enoch (part of Ethiopian biblical canon). Enoch, as well as Jubilees, connects the origin of the Nephilim with the fallen angels, and in particular with the Grigori (watchers). Samyaza, an angel of high rank, is described as leading a rebel sect of angels in a descent to earth to instruct humans in righteousness. The tutelage went on for a few centuries, but soon the angels pined for the human females and began to instruct the women in magic and conjuring. The angels consummated their lust, and as a result produced hybrid offspring: the Nephilim." (Quoted from wiki)
Other references seem to associate the Nephilim with the Lemurio-Atlantean races being the last descendants of such "which begot children on female animals, of species now long extinct ; thus producing dumb men, "monsters," as the Stanzas have it." (The Secret Doctrine)
So it stands to reason that the Nephilim would have once had skulls though they would now LONG have been dust so whether that was a factor in what psychic ability they may have had would be pure hypothesis.

Title: Re: nephilim
Post by: zeon on March 18, 2008, 05:03:01 PM
OK people calm down you're getting me! exited. OK to begin with the nephilliim were the offs springs of angels who fell out of heaven. the watchers are the one sent to keep an eye out on earth, they saw that the daughters of Adam were beautiful cause of their long hair, and they acted on their impulses and mated thus the nephilim walked the earth now the nephilim have great knowledge of the metaphysical, geometry, chemistry, etc... they were heroes of old men of renown, in other words "gods", Olympians, annanuki, Thor, Amman Ra, all were nephilim (semi gods). as for proof of this they have more than just one skull i think 10, they also got human fossils the size of 32 feet, yea i was amazed too. they also have many texts and hieroglyphics of giants and people with en-longed skull, the Egyptians and mayans and early Greeks and even cavemen have texts or drawings of them i think is type foolish to try to dismiss the idea of it. as for the angels, to be kicked out of heaven into earth they had to be turned into some physical form so that they could mate. so yea at least the fallen ones have or had physical form.
Title: Re: nephilim
Post by: Steve on March 18, 2008, 08:32:31 PM
Where are you getting this information from? You're mixing facts with stuff I've never heard before. 32 foot skulls and 10 heads? As for the Olympians and Thor, that's an entirely different religion that has nothing to do with the nephilim mentioned in Genesis that died in the flood in Genesis (in case you didn't know, the flood happened approximately sometime between/around 1500BCE to 1200BCE whereas the Greeks didn't come about until around 800BCE)

Can you provide any links to online sources or titles of books or television documentaries to back up what you're saying?

~Steve
Title: Re: nephilim
Post by: zeon on March 19, 2008, 02:24:00 PM
no you are misunderstanding what im saying i mean if nephilim are real and were worshiped and known they were the gods that all religions talk of. as for the 32 feet skulls lmao imagine lol na i meant 32 feet full skeletons (ribcage, spine, etc..). and they have a handful of fossils looking much like human skulls but with an enlarged skull. im sorry for the misunderstanding. oo and the nephilim were around after the flood too.

as for sources as much as i want to i cant. its very complicated.
Title: Re: nephilim
Post by: Orthas on March 19, 2008, 03:31:35 PM
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8534397625940239162

Think Zeon is talking about this kind of thing, which could be easily faked I would point out.
Title: Re: nephilim
Post by: zeon on March 19, 2008, 04:36:56 PM
nope i dismissed this as fake as soon as i saw it but i have my resons to belive in what i say.
Title: Re: nephilim
Post by: XIII on March 19, 2008, 08:41:39 PM
I have found no evidence of any 32-foot human fossils anywhere. Find me this, and I'll take you more seriously.
Title: Re: nephilim
Post by: Steve on March 20, 2008, 11:27:52 AM
Firstly, my apologies for reading your post wrong, but I agree with XIII in that I have seen no evidence of your claims.

EDIT: I have, by the way, seen faked photos of such large skeletons, and if you search for giant skeleton human you'll see many websites with faked photos and other websites with the originals plus the explaination of why the fakes are faked. If a real human skeleton that large were ever found, it would be on the front of every majour science and archeology magazine in at least north america, and likely the world.

~Steve
Title: Re: nephilim
Post by: zeon on March 20, 2008, 01:37:59 PM
again you misinterpret what i wrote, i did say the there 32 foot human skeleton as for them being real I'm sorry for not including this. but as for the starchild and the rest of evidence like him it seem to be pretty real. and the hieroglyphics and texts and paintings that is quite hard to deny. if you guys wanna get a good source try the annunaki, and read a bit about the mayans and the king who helped them build their pyramids or w.e. i don't know what they're called lol

ooh and XII you gotta keep your mind a Little open on this. bare with me baby lol :bunny:
Title: Re: nephilim
Post by: XIII on March 20, 2008, 03:31:37 PM
The 'starchild', as according to wikipedia, and forgive me if I'm referencing a different source, has absolutely nothing to do with the nephilim. The rest of it is more religious mythos, and religious paintings of a wide array of subjects exist, including dragons, unicorns, and anything else you want to throw in there. This does not mean, however, that dragons and unicorns have ever existed. Without physical evidence of physical nephilim, I will assume that they never existed.

An open mind is like a fortress with its gates unbarred and unguarded.
Title: Re: nephilim
Post by: zeon on March 24, 2008, 07:43:39 PM
well actually its an open mind that must of put you in the path that you are in now am i wrong, no resonable human will agree with our beliefs, but yet here we are open minded and unlike the rest of society; spiritaly aware. now as for the dragon i do remember seeing a dragon corpse somewhere it was demmed real fossils, it did have traces of blah blah that indicated it spit out fire, but than again i could just be an open minded fool. :cool:
Title: Re: nephilim
Post by: XIII on March 24, 2008, 09:45:58 PM
I am a reasonable human. Having an 'open mind' with no skepticism or actual thought towards matters leads you to believe things that are misleading, wrong, or downright lies. We could sit here and make baseless claims, or we could provide proof instead of hearsay.
Reason is what makes us human. Without reason, we are lost in the spiritual void.
Title: Re: nephilim
Post by: Steve on March 25, 2008, 09:40:38 AM
"i do remember seeing a dragon corpse somewhere"
Somewhere on the internet?

~Steve
Title: Re: nephilim
Post by: supadude on March 25, 2008, 02:02:14 PM
I can blow up the world.....but only underwater.....at an altitude of 50,000 feet with nobody within 100 miles of my positioon but im to leet to show u >.>........................... noob








XD lmao
Title: Re: nephilim
Post by: zpo on March 25, 2008, 03:39:03 PM
i do remember seeing a dragon corpse somewhere

I saw that show on Discovery, too.  I don't buy the hydrogen gut bacteria, I prefer the two gland concept from Reign of Fire.  You do know that the dragon bones the Chinese find all the time are dinosaurs, right?
Title: Re: nephilim
Post by: Sky Verati on March 25, 2008, 07:26:45 PM
Well, that's not so far-fetched.  Dragons can be another type of dinosaur, can't they?
Title: Re: nephilim
Post by: Tankdown on March 25, 2008, 08:35:46 PM
There is a fine line between being gullible and being open minded.
Title: Re: nephilim
Post by: Steve on March 25, 2008, 09:58:36 PM
http://www.weirdasianews.com/2007/06/29/real-dragon-fossils-on-display-in-china/
Something like that?

Or something like this
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/10/1013_041013_sleepy_dino.html (no pics)
http://www.hmnh.org/archives/2006/05/21/crouching-fossil-hidden-dragon/ (same fossil, pics)

I'm not sure how credible weirdasiannews is.

~Steve
Title: Re: nephilim
Post by: JEG63 on March 26, 2008, 08:27:17 AM
now as for the dragon i do remember seeing a dragon corpse somewhere it was demmed real fossils, it did have traces of blah blah that indicated it spit out fire, but than again i could just be an open minded fool. :cool:
The Romans brought any and every species of large lizard back with them from sub-Saharan Africa; I'm talking 2000 years ago. They put these beasts in the Colosseum and fought them in theatrical combat for entertainment purposes. Lizards resembling alligators and crocodiles, and also those resembling Komodo monitor lizards.

Many people saw these lizard beasts, but not everyone saw them first hand in the Colosseum. Stories about them were told and travelled around the countryside.
Eventually the Roman Empire fell, but the tales of giant lizards became taller and taller. By the Dark Ages, this was out-of-hand.
The fire breathing is probably related to the fact that a bite from many land-dwelling lizards results in almost instant and very severe bacterial infection; hence fire-breathing.
In my opinion, your great Dragon of the middle ages is just an African alligator; of which many 2000-year-old species are probably extinct now.
Title: Re: nephilim
Post by: LaVelle on March 26, 2008, 02:33:11 PM
I am a reasonable human. Having an 'open mind' with no skepticism or actual thought towards matters leads you to believe things that are misleading, wrong, or downright lies. We could sit here and make baseless claims, or we could provide proof instead of hearsay.
Reason is what makes us human. Without reason, we are lost in the spiritual void.
Some what similar
Title: Re: nephilim
Post by: zeon on March 26, 2008, 05:44:54 PM
I can blow up the world.....but only underwater.....at an altitude of 50,000 feet with nobody within 100 miles of my positioon but im to leet to show u >.>........................... noob








XD lmao
alright i realle docomprehend your claim here supadude mind putting it in simpler terms.
oo y would you want to blow up the world underwater, and if you are gonna blow up the world than thee nos sense in avoiding so many people cause DUH! DUDE! your blowing up the world SUPADUDE
Title: Re: nephilim
Post by: zeon on March 26, 2008, 05:46:41 PM
I am a reasonable human. Having an 'open mind' with no skepticism or actual thought towards matters leads you to believe things that are misleading, wrong, or downright lies. We could sit here and make baseless claims, or we could provide proof instead of hearsay.
Reason is what makes us human. Without reason, we are lost in the spiritual void.

Title: Re: nephilim
Post by: supadude on March 27, 2008, 01:50:38 PM
I can blow up the world.....but only underwater.....at an altitude of 50,000 feet with nobody within 100 miles of my positioon but im to leet to show u >.>........................... noob








XD lmao
alright i realle docomprehend your claim here supadude mind putting it in simpler terms.
oo y would you want to blow up the world underwater, and if you are gonna blow up the world than thee nos sense in avoiding so many people cause DUH! DUDE! your blowing up the world SUPADUDE
figure it out >.>


because i am 1337 and i pwn teh n00bZ0rz..>.>
Title: Re: nephilim
Post by: XIII on March 27, 2008, 07:14:52 PM
Locked due to flaming and lack of direction.