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August 30, 2005, 11:29:55 PM
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Why would I be banned, if your comment was directed to me Mayan. I was just saying I don't believe a person can be selfless and that if one were to want an example of not being selfless when one intends to be then provide a scenario and I will attempt to unprove that an act is selfless by showing it is in a sense, selfish. I do not mean selfish as greed pertaining to oneself(such as wanting power or money or the like) but realting to self.
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August 31, 2005, 01:37:27 AM
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I wasnt aware the primary premise of buddhism was to be good by being selfless. The primary motive of buddhism doesn't even revolve around the idea of doing good, it is concerned with solving the problem of human suffering. So yeah, as per Buddhist thought your self is just your ego, a creation of your mind from the things you experience. What the buddhists propose is to end suffering by the dissolution of the ego, as in to become selfless in the sense of having no self, not in the sense of having, exhibiting, or motivated by no concern for oneself; unselfish. Entirely different things.

Quite right. In fact the Therevadin * school of Buddhist thought is very much about you and you only. It's a personal path to Nirvana, the Boddhisattva ideal does not exist. Contrary to this are the Mahayana schools which evolved a more compassionate form of Buddhism (Examples being Zen, Pureland and so on) which was a smart move since it appealed to more people, to socitey as well as the hardcore monastic monks. I would wager the lay suppourt for mahayana schools is somewhat greater. Being good or selfless in Therevadin schools would come (I assume) as a by product of the dissolution of ego, like Vihang said. Although in some Mahayana/Tibetan schools of thought, the desire to become an altruistic "Boddhisattva" ** is the ultimate claim and attaining parinirvana in some sects holds less merit, but that seems a little 'lovey dovey' if you catch my drift. No doubt the motivation of an enlighetened bodhisattva to do good, would be somewhat above the level of comprehension attatched beings like us could muster. So its all well and good to speculate, but may it remain at just that. :)



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August 31, 2005, 04:51:57 PM
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People can't be selfless as any action taken relates to the self, it's delusional to think selflessness is attainable.
The self will always be present in some regard.
The annihilation is not total annihilation, it is a method  in which the will is brought forth.
This is more what the goal of selflessness is ego annihilation pretty much the same thing.

The island of the "tonal" is swept clean to make way for the "nagual" as to have no resistance to it.
The "tonal" is another term for ego, "nagual" is the will, the inexplicable.

The emptiness inside is caused by the mistakeness that the tonal is missing, thus suffering is void in it's realisation.

 
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August 31, 2005, 06:36:43 PM
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