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November 16, 2017, 01:12:52 PM
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It doesn't matter. Its all bullshit anyway.

Why are you even bothering to try and sell this crap to me anyway?


I am not trying to sell you anything, I am just wondering. All your previous posts regarding the "meat grinder", "finding what works" and things like that and now you say it's all bullshit. It makes me wonder, can you say it's all bullshit with a full certainty, considering you have actually never tried an authentic system and sticked with it?

November 17, 2017, 05:36:56 AM
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Yes. Because all of them are basically the same. It all depends on what decorations you want to put on it. That's it. Every system, every method, equally crap. All of them. Magic is the art and science of self-deception. Plain and simple. Eventually kids grow out of magical thinking, some adults can't. Just because you said some words and did some ritual does do shit in the real work, you just think it does. All those ghost and spirits are just a product of your imagination. Not a single occultist has any actual power. None. There is no God, no salvation, no hope, no reincarnation. No matter what the occultist aspires to it's bullshit. I have become very anti-theist, anti-paranormal, and anti-supernatural.


You don't know that ;-). That's the thing, Chris, you never tried that, you always said "that doesn't work, what I do works", and now you say that nothing works including what you did....


If what you do, didn't work, you would know if you have used proper methods, same as with the PSI wheel, you claim that nothing works, yet I see no actual work on your part. What you say is basically this:


Before
You don't need medicine to cure anything, all you need is green tea
Now
Medicine doesn't work, I tried and the green tea never cured anything for me.

November 17, 2017, 12:43:52 PM
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You want to pass the blame on me? Really. It's nothing more than magical thinking. The only model of magick that's correct is the psychological one, because all you're doing is fucking with your head. There is no causal power in using dressed up affirmations and stupid rituals. Saying fancy words and using the imagination doesn't fix any of life problems. All systems of magick are nothing more than mental masturbation.


And you want to blame everyone else for your own failure? If you didn't succeed at something, it doesn't mean it is impossible, it just means you didn't succeed at it.

December 02, 2017, 04:17:42 AM
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Hellblazer, I hate to sound cold and mean, your posts are absolutely useless and pathetic. You haven't given us any thing of value. You've spent years trying to spin pinwheels with your mind, while others are teaching themselves foreign languages, engineering, musical instruments, electronics and even cooking.

If you are speaking the truth, why isn't it giving anyone feelings of inspiration and creativity? I haven't read one post you've made that's concluded with me composing a song...

However, I've studied the Bible and have been inspired to give charity. I've studied the tarot and have felt inspired to write poetry. I've read the grimoires and have been inspired to learn music that has enabled me to pass auditions in universities.

Why am I not getting any inspiration from you? You are so filled with a lack of inspiration and negativity, it's like you're a black hole of creativity and beauty.

Hellblazer, this is an occult forum, take your Nihilism elsewhere.

For the record, I believe we should remove "psionics"  as a study. I believe it might be interesting, but I believe is founded in trickery. It's not even related to magick nor religion, but rather attempts it's own field revolving around controversial "energies" which have no philosophy nor morality nor hierarchy backing their own being. In my opinion there emptiness of mythology proves their use by charlatans.

Even if you study an illusionary magician such as Tarbell, you learn that the practice of the Magi was to only use trickery with the delivery of a parable, so that the lesson would be learned by the students by way of effectively memorable punchline. There was useful philosophy even driving illusion.

Psionics has none of it and is only productive in making Hellblazers.

December 02, 2017, 09:34:44 PM
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The question is, who are you, and why should we give a damn?

December 03, 2017, 12:30:09 PM
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If I've decided to quit practicing magic due to my own personal experiences, then so be it. It invalidates nothing I've said. At least I know that it's real. Too real.

I'm certain that some people have delusions while practicing magic. I'd even argue that with anything involving suggestion, self-hypnosis and meditation will also be a door to opening delusions of grandeur or even insanity. The problem is that we often times are so wrapped up in seeing some sort of effect that we miss everything that is happening around us. The pinwheel doesn't move, and so magic doesn't work. However, disease has crept upon your family and it's shocking. The delusion isn't magic, the delusion is that your lack of awareness of what's going on around you.
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December 04, 2017, 01:16:47 AM
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I'm quite glad I failed at lying to myself. Wish a bunch of other morons would do the same. Maybe we'd move past superstitious wishful thinking. This shit doesn't exist at all. No amount of pseudo science will validate occult stupidity. It's about the most pathetic thing in to world to actually take this crap serious. It really is a shame I wasted so much of my life being apart of it. Bunch of fucked up and useless people in the occult. Nothing but delusional human garbage. I'd say that if you believe in this crap you're an idiot. Time to grow up folks, quite the magical thinking and get own with your life.

The worst thing about the occult communities is the circle jerk they all engage in. Trying to validate empty beliefs, giving their sorry lives some false meaning. Sad, truly sad.


Hellblazer, if you remember, I was always against pseudo-scientific terms in occultism, it is BS, it looks stupid and it makes us look stupid. But I also hate your current behavior, simply because it might mean that Rayn was right.


If you remember, I have always said that anyone can learn Magick, we all have that gift. On the other side, Rayn's theory always was that only individuals gifted in Magick can learn it and now you are playing into his cards.


As for the magical thinking, I know about that, I knew about it for years prior to my start in occultism, I do have some psychology background. I don't get how attaining such information would make you totally invalidate all your prior experiences. It might actually mean that you just failed to have a journal, or, which is worse, you chased just fairy dust all those years...


@Rayn: To be more specific, I have started with Enochian Magick, dabbled a little bit into Hermeticism and Qabbalah, as well and finally landed in Chaos Magick.
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January 02, 2018, 04:30:38 PM
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Umm, what a sad little place!

I came on here and found it dead, months later I revisit and find this thread part of the reason why the forum is dead. I say this and you say that, read what you said in bold and my argument in red, not that its offering alternatives but I just want to be bigger than you, because if I help or debate principles someone will see me as weak?
I don't follow a god but if we are taking about the colour blue is it relevant, no not really. I must agree with Hellboy that no system works but I would add a rider to that to say 'No system works, it is what you put in that makes it work and therefore no system is better than another'.
In many ways J K Rowland is brilliant because she obviously knows things around this kind of knowledge but she does the practice no good because of the for entertainment aspect which stays in the physic mind. Personally I think its all in the mind but to coin a phrase from J K R "who knows if it is real or in the mind but whos to say it is not real even if it is in the mind?"
Another film I watched recently is the miracle on 42nd street. the final gist is Can I believe in santa clause. With out bold bit on me, we all know its made up but I still believe in santa, why: because it makes me feel nice thinking that there is or was such a person.
If you remember back I always say that I believe in the power of the mind and that if collectively everybody thinks theres a santa then a santa will be created.
So has this forum died, pity but I think it may have done with all that it is left is for the ones who are argumentative and who want their beliefs to be top dog or the abdicators who want to tell all that they are going but hang around to say this at every turn.
My last thought of the day is: Porno chat lines are manned by the over 60s, some male some female but everybody thinks they are chatting to the lustful young person of their needs. Always be sure you know exactly who you are learning/getting excited by because they may not be what or who you think they are. If moneys involved back off and always use a VPN

Regards Searcher

January 24, 2018, 06:27:17 PM
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I don't care about magic nor do I care about debates concerning it.

For something you don't care about, and don't care to debate about, you seem to invest a fair bit of energy into thinking, talking and debating about it :p


February 04, 2018, 04:59:47 PM
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You also seriously overestimate the effort it takes to reply on a forum. I am a naturally wordy person, so it is not some extraordinary effort on my part. You should see my Facebook replies. They are even longer than this.

Sorry but nope, you don't get to write 1300 words about how much you don't care about something. That's a performative contradiction.