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November 15, 2017, 08:25:46 AM
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All of it.


I remember you have messed with a PSI wheel before, so was that a confirmation bias, as well?

November 16, 2017, 09:30:07 AM
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I remember you have messed with a PSI wheel before, so was that a confirmation bias, as well?
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Micro changes in the environment from body heat, static electricity, and micro movements of the hands can set a psi wheel moving, breathing does the same thing. So yes it is another case of confirmation bias.

Psychic abilities, ghost, etc do not exist. No one has any supernormal abilities. That's why we invent things to give us the illusion of power and control. Magick isn't real.

November 16, 2017, 09:46:02 AM
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Micro changes in the environment from body heat, static electricity, and micro movements of the hands can set a psi wheel moving, breathing does the same thing. So yes it is another case of confirmation bias.

Psychic abilities, ghost, etc do not exist. No one has any supernormal abilities. That's why we invent things to give us the illusion of power and control. Magick isn't real.


I remember there is an article regarding working with PSI wheel here on Veritas. The article mentions a couple of measure to get rid of external influences like
  • Being in a closed space
  • Being far enough from the PSI wheel
  • Having the PSI wheel in a closed glass container


There are more measure, but have you tried any of those?

November 16, 2017, 11:18:58 AM
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It doesn't matter. Its all bullshit anyway.

November 16, 2017, 11:23:02 AM
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Why are you even bothering to try and sell this crap to me anyway?

November 16, 2017, 01:12:52 PM
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It doesn't matter. Its all bullshit anyway.

Why are you even bothering to try and sell this crap to me anyway?


I am not trying to sell you anything, I am just wondering. All your previous posts regarding the "meat grinder", "finding what works" and things like that and now you say it's all bullshit. It makes me wonder, can you say it's all bullshit with a full certainty, considering you have actually never tried an authentic system and sticked with it?

November 16, 2017, 05:30:04 PM
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Yes. Because all of them are basically the same. It all depends on what decorations you want to put on it. That's it. Every system, every method, equally crap. All of them. Magic is the art and science of self-deception. Plain and simple. Eventually kids grow out of magical thinking, some adults can't. Just because you said some words and did some ritual does do shit in the real work, you just think it does. All those ghost and spirits are just a product of your imagination. Not a single occultist has any actual power. None. There is no God, no salvation, no hope, no reincarnation. No matter what the occultist aspires to it's bullshit. I have become very anti-theist, anti-paranormal, and anti-supernatural.

November 17, 2017, 05:36:56 AM
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Yes. Because all of them are basically the same. It all depends on what decorations you want to put on it. That's it. Every system, every method, equally crap. All of them. Magic is the art and science of self-deception. Plain and simple. Eventually kids grow out of magical thinking, some adults can't. Just because you said some words and did some ritual does do shit in the real work, you just think it does. All those ghost and spirits are just a product of your imagination. Not a single occultist has any actual power. None. There is no God, no salvation, no hope, no reincarnation. No matter what the occultist aspires to it's bullshit. I have become very anti-theist, anti-paranormal, and anti-supernatural.


You don't know that ;-). That's the thing, Chris, you never tried that, you always said "that doesn't work, what I do works", and now you say that nothing works including what you did....


If what you do, didn't work, you would know if you have used proper methods, same as with the PSI wheel, you claim that nothing works, yet I see no actual work on your part. What you say is basically this:


Before
You don't need medicine to cure anything, all you need is green tea
Now
Medicine doesn't work, I tried and the green tea never cured anything for me.

November 17, 2017, 06:25:24 AM
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You want to pass the blame on me? Really. It's nothing more than magical thinking. The only model of magick that's correct is the psychological one, because all you're doing is fucking with your head. There is no causal power in using dressed up affirmations and stupid rituals. Saying fancy words and using the imagination doesn't fix any of life problems. All systems of magick are nothing more than mental masturbation.

November 17, 2017, 12:43:52 PM
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You want to pass the blame on me? Really. It's nothing more than magical thinking. The only model of magick that's correct is the psychological one, because all you're doing is fucking with your head. There is no causal power in using dressed up affirmations and stupid rituals. Saying fancy words and using the imagination doesn't fix any of life problems. All systems of magick are nothing more than mental masturbation.


And you want to blame everyone else for your own failure? If you didn't succeed at something, it doesn't mean it is impossible, it just means you didn't succeed at it.

November 17, 2017, 02:13:49 PM
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I'm quite glad I failed at lying to myself. Wish a bunch of other morons would do the same. Maybe we'd move past superstitious wishful thinking. This shit doesn't exist at all. No amount of pseudo science will validate occult stupidity. It's about the most pathetic thing in to world to actually take this crap serious. It really is a shame I wasted so much of my life being apart of it. Bunch of fucked up and useless people in the occult. Nothing but delusional human garbage. I'd say that if you believe in this crap you're an idiot. Time to grow up folks, quite the magical thinking and get own with your life.

The worst thing about the occult communities is the circle jerk they all engage in. Trying to validate empty beliefs, giving their sorry lives some false meaning. Sad, truly sad.

December 02, 2017, 04:17:42 AM
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Hellblazer, I hate to sound cold and mean, your posts are absolutely useless and pathetic. You haven't given us any thing of value. You've spent years trying to spin pinwheels with your mind, while others are teaching themselves foreign languages, engineering, musical instruments, electronics and even cooking.

If you are speaking the truth, why isn't it giving anyone feelings of inspiration and creativity? I haven't read one post you've made that's concluded with me composing a song...

However, I've studied the Bible and have been inspired to give charity. I've studied the tarot and have felt inspired to write poetry. I've read the grimoires and have been inspired to learn music that has enabled me to pass auditions in universities.

Why am I not getting any inspiration from you? You are so filled with a lack of inspiration and negativity, it's like you're a black hole of creativity and beauty.

Hellblazer, this is an occult forum, take your Nihilism elsewhere.

For the record, I believe we should remove "psionics"  as a study. I believe it might be interesting, but I believe is founded in trickery. It's not even related to magick nor religion, but rather attempts it's own field revolving around controversial "energies" which have no philosophy nor morality nor hierarchy backing their own being. In my opinion there emptiness of mythology proves their use by charlatans.

Even if you study an illusionary magician such as Tarbell, you learn that the practice of the Magi was to only use trickery with the delivery of a parable, so that the lesson would be learned by the students by way of effectively memorable punchline. There was useful philosophy even driving illusion.

Psionics has none of it and is only productive in making Hellblazers.

December 02, 2017, 01:22:06 PM
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Hellblazer, I hate to sound cold and mean, your posts are absolutely useless and pathetic. You haven't given us any thing of value. You've spent years trying to spin pinwheels with your mind, while others are teaching themselves foreign languages, engineering, musical instruments, electronics and even cooking.

If you are speaking the truth, why isn't it giving anyone feelings of inspiration and creativity? I haven't read one post you've made that's concluded with me composing a song...

However, I've studied the Bible and have been inspired to give charity. I've studied the tarot and have felt inspired to write poetry. I've read the grimoires and have been inspired to learn music that has enabled me to pass auditions in universities.

Why am I not getting any inspiration from you? You are so filled with a lack of inspiration and negativity, it's like you're a black hole of creativity and beauty.

Hellblazer, this is an occult forum, take your Nihilism elsewhere.

For the record, I believe we should remove "psionics"  as a study. I believe it might be interesting, but I believe is founded in trickery. It's not even related to magick nor religion, but rather attempts it's own field revolving around controversial "energies" which have no philosophy nor morality nor hierarchy backing their own being. In my opinion there emptiness of mythology proves their use by charlatans.

Even if you study an illusionary magician such as Tarbell, you learn that the practice of the Magi was to only use trickery with the delivery of a parable, so that the lesson would be learned by the students by way of effectively memorable punchline. There was useful philosophy even driving illusion.

Psionics has none of it and is only productive in making Hellblazers.
So who the fuck are you and why should I give a damn?

December 02, 2017, 09:34:44 PM
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The question is, who are you, and why should we give a damn?

December 03, 2017, 03:49:50 AM
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The question is, who are you, and why should we give a damn?
Because I speak the truth about the self-delusion that is occultism. You haven't much to say as an armchair occultist.