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August 24, 2007, 06:32:06 PM
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Hello,
   Ok, first there are the undines. I've searched the internet and some sites say they have legs and others say they are miniature mermaids. Which is true? Oh, and can they really grant wishes?
  Now, as for the mermaids, what differs them from undines. There is this myth that says mermaids beautiful singing voices that lured sailors to their death or something rather. Lately, I've been finding that most myths are actually true, so either A)mermaids exist physically B)there are sailors in the astral plane or C)this is just made up.
    Oh, and also, is it plausible for mermaids to have their own secret dwelling in our world? You know what, I think there can be mermaids here, if not magical then scientific in the deepest depths of the ocean where we can not go. I would go ask the mermaids themselves but i can not astral project.
P.S., has anyone seen about the part space that had no stars, just darkness on the news, wow

August 24, 2007, 06:39:19 PM
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Hi Enchantra.  Are you the same Enchantra from the chat?  If so, it's great to see you finally posting on the boards. 

I don't really have a comment as far as mermaids go (sorry), but I have seen the part of space where there is just darkness.  In fact, the "darkness"  appears to make up most of outer space. 
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August 24, 2007, 08:17:18 PM
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Mythologically, as far as I know, undines were supposed to be generally human-shaped.  Magically speaking, an "undine" is simply a elemental spirit of water, and therefore non-physical (by which one can infer, it's anatomy is largely arbitrary and subjective.)  As for mermaids, well... consider that historical sailors, out at sea for weeks or months on end on a ship crewed entirely by men, probably let their hopes cloud their observations.  The mermaid archetype is well-established enough that you could probably meet one on the astral if you really wanted, but that doesn't mean that they "exist" in a meaningful way, necessarily.

And yah, I recently saw the report of the gap in space; the "cold spot" as its being called (boring name.)  Large region of space without any stars; not too much to say for it.
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August 25, 2007, 04:46:06 AM
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In IIH , Franz Bardon writes about all manner of elementals , projections to meet them and some lessons and experiences in those dimensions . I have been to the magico -elemental realm with peers in circle . All realsm can be attained in at least 3 manners ; 1. by internal phasing into the microcosm of the heart aka Robert Monroe method . 2. By attaining the sepiroth or qlippoth on the energy body in the Tree of Life .3. By externalling projecting from the bdy into the realms .Elementals can also enter our dimension and be sensed clairiently . To see the undines ;
Find a safe place near water to work
open in protection
evoke the presence of the undine teachers ,ie queen and king ,or azriel the water wolf angel .or another guide to assist you
deep cleanse crown to toes
raise energy toes to crown
breathe up water energy heavy , dark wet, blue, maginetic & female
enter meditative trance
project out of the moonstone in a mental body
take consciousness under water
morph as sea creature
ask for help to come to the city of the undines
seek a blue castle like realm on the ocean floor
there are many
sometimes these are in underwater caves and tunnels
when you find them
morph to appear lke them
be respectful
ask specifc questions
and watch for a lesson
FB warms about flirting with them
& suggests avoiding it


1 theory on names :
King: Nichsa. Queen: Tritone. Elemental: Undines. Ruler: Tharsis ... Elemental beings: Mermaids, ocenaid, oreades, nereides, limoniades, sprites, nixen, ...
www.geocities.com/elemental_adept/astrologydictionary.html
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August 25, 2007, 06:19:44 AM
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thank you aunt claire! and yes i am wonderland

August 25, 2007, 06:44:24 AM
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King: Nichsa. Queen: Tritone
I'm quite sure it's the other way round.
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August 25, 2007, 07:13:43 AM
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Saw a national geographic program where they talked about the mermaid phenomina:a type of fish that actually has breast-like glands and hair which has been mistaken for mermaid.
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August 25, 2007, 04:17:50 PM
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Undines and mermaids are generically the same thing.  Both are anthropimorphic entities, that live in your by bodies of water.  A mermaid is probably a more common name for a water spirit, since pirates were not the most sophisticated folk.
Elementals spirits have the form that embodies their domain.  So, they can only have legs if they were capable of permitting their free movement in the water.

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There is this myth that says mermaids beautiful singing voices that lured sailors to their death or something rather.
If you look in folklore, the domain of water is probably the most dangerous, as far as its denizens go.  They have a history of causing destruction.
From what I know about faeries, dont think it is their nature to destroy things, but the result of their presence is due to the difference between our field and theirs: one can not tolerate the other for long, without changing it.  In Celtic lore, Leannasidhe is a water spirit that seeks a mate by the water; she bestowed power gifts on her companions, but at the price of their life.

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Saw a national geographic program where they talked about the mermaid phenomina:a type of fish that actually has breast-like glands and hair which has been mistaken for mermaid.
You mean, a manatee?
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August 25, 2007, 04:25:10 PM
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http://xkcd.com/303/
http://xkcd.com/123/

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August 26, 2007, 02:09:58 AM
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queen of the south applauds-awesome pics-lol-almost kissable!
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August 28, 2007, 06:59:13 PM
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Queen of The South, what is the name of that fish?

December 28, 2007, 10:44:58 PM
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King: Nichsa. Queen: Tritone
I'm quite sure it's the other way round.
I am not sure I  do not hear names well perhaps it was a typo  from the site . I am not sure of the source but many sites had it the same way . However I found this one with Queen Nyscha
members.tripod.com/~Gwion/Magick-dir/element.html


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Water:

Emotions, receptive, feelings, instinctive, passive, negative spiritualy, possitive materially, respectable, modest, compassionant, devotion, docile, unconsciousness, comprehensive, meditation, calmness, adaptable, forgiving, tender, depression, sympathy, empathic, artistic, phychic, mystism, flowing, delicate, gentle, Cancer, Scorpio, Pisces, Moon, Venus, Neptune, mercury, silver, copper, Fall, Evening, Mother, Queen, religious class, Melancholic, Nervous.

King: Nichsa

Queen: Tritone

Elemental: Undines

Ruler: Tharsis

God Name: SHADDAI (HVHY)

Quadrical: West

Archangel: Gabriel

Angel: Taliahad

Angelic order: Thrones, archangels

Quality: Contraction, magnetic

Color: White, blue

Complementary color: Red

Form: Half moon

Sense: Taste

Sign: Scorpio

Tattwas: Apas

Magical tool: Cup, crystal ball, mirrors

Focus: Emotions

Created: Metals

Stones: Pearl, crystals, and all stones associated with water, or of the color blue

Metal: Quicksilver, silver, yellow brass

Plant anatomy: Leaves

Animal: Fish

River of Hell: Styx

River of Eden: Hiddekel

Musical instrument: String instruments

Musical note: "g"

Archdaemon: Azael

Planet: Saturn, Mercury, Moon, Neptune

Signs: Scorpio, Cancer, Pisces

Body: Knees to waist, glands, sweat, and saliva

Chakra: Svadhistana

Finger: Thumb

Elemental beings: Mermaids, ocenaid, oreades, nereides, limoniades, sprites, nixen, potamides, undines

Herbs: Aloe, apple, lemon balm, belladonna, birch, poplar, poppy, blackberry, burdock, camphor, chamomile, elder, ragwort, rose, coltsfoot, comfrey, daisy, daffodil, datura, sandalwood, yarrow, elm, eucalyptus, foxglove, hemlock, hemp, hibiscus, jasmine, yew, spearmint, thyme, kava-kava, ladies slipper, lemon, myrrh, morning glory, passion flower

Virtues: Receptive, understanding, empathic, sympathy, vitality, growth, loving, kind, astrally aware, divining, intune with cycles, meditative

Vices: Over emotional, disintegrating, dissolving, secretive, indifferent, no foundations, ungrounded, forgetful, lustful, clouded

Tetragramic letter: First He'

Melancholic temperament: Respectful, modest, compassionate, devoted, serious, docile, fervour, cordiality, comprehensive, meditative, calm, quick, adaptable, forgiving, tender, indifferent, depressed, apathy, shyness, lazy.

Square of Water:

22

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http://www.geocities.com/elemental_adept/astrologydictionary.html
also on another site ;
www.tarotpassages.com/suba4.htm
King of Cups: Nichsa. Fire of Water. Loyal, family, master of the emotions, ... Queen of Cups: Tritone. Water of Water.
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May 22, 2011, 05:37:45 PM
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It makes sense that the king would be Tritone because The Greco Roman God of the Sea , Poseidon/Neptune, carried a three point staff called the Triton.

http://www.pxleyes.com/images/contests/greek%20gods/fullsize/greek%20gods_4a3f64ea59575.jpg

Istiphul is also given as the name of the Queen of the Undines , Mermaids or Merfolk.
Mistele ;
http://users.lava.net/~pagios/istiphul.html
http://users.lava.net/~pagios/chapterfour.htm
http://shell.lava.net/~pagios/chapterninedoc.htm

If you feel unsure about the name , you can evoke without it i.e.

Open in protection in the sacred space in dim light with physical eyes closed.
Deep Cleanse down , raise energy up and attain trance then evoke as you will perhaps ;"I humbly evoke the Queen of the Undines, O Queen of the undines attend me now please. "

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May 25, 2011, 03:18:17 AM
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Question though.. On the post of Aunt Claire
By signs it means that those who are within those said signs are more compatible with using water(element) in spellwork?
 
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May 25, 2011, 06:37:00 AM
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Undines and Mermaids are both spirits of the water element on the astral plane. That is their essence is made of the water element. Some of them are very powerful as they are made of higher quantities and higher quality of the water element while some are weaker and made from smaller amounts of the element.

Also Raitaro if my memory serves me right Nichsha is the King I don't know about the Queen. Just remembering from Prophecys article on elemental magic.

Also not disagreeing that the water element can be dangerous but I believe I've heard that in Islam the djinn (demons or at least similar to them) are really the fire elemental spirits. (As Djinn is one of the names of the King of the fire element.) Just thought i'd point that out.